Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development

[Duongvipro2000]

Have a link to the store? Can't seem to see it on itch

https://f95zone.to/threads/my-dress-up-ntr-unseen-desire-v0-6-p2-cuckyboy.224547/

 

[Sharkoo12]

Ain’t no way people paying 35€ on a regular for this garbage

Why do you have to be rude about it? If you don't like it or don't agree with the pricing there are better ways to say it than insulting the game.

Keep up the good work skyblueaster , don't listen to sad people.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

making my own ai sloppa ntr game.
plans/scope

• male mc
• ai art and animations
• phone mechanic(text messages + twitter/OF element for later ntr stages)
• 2.5D freemovement overworld with combat gameplay (deck build jrpg)
• vn dialogue
• 3 main females: busty tomboy childhood friend, kuudere "princess of school", nerdy girl at school that moonlights as popular influencer/streamer/cosplayer gyaru, mcs mother will have some scenes.
• first game so I dont want to drag the ntr build up forever and dont want it to end as soon as arriving at the ntr, might go ntr early into nts/aware of ntr, also dont want to lean too much into sappy love story gone wrong, focus more on eroticism corruption and making the girls become filthy
• lots of ntr character archetypes (playboy blonde, ugly bastard, black foreigner, bully, etc)
• story simplified rundown: mc becomes part of a 4-person secret squad with the girls to fight invaders from a fantasy-like universe (orcs/goblins/monsters). they stay in a futuristic underground military base underneath school. girls fight in tight taimanin inspired bodysuits and mc is strategist/commands them.

first project in unity so im learning as i go. will be a while for sure. all art/animations are made from local models. will make a dev thread when it gets super serious. if you got features or neat ideas that would fit the game and youd like to share, shoot me a dm.

Looking forward to it! Would love to see it transition to nts/aware but like the kind where she does things behind mc's back or doesn't need his permission and he sees it afterwards

 

[John Doe Jr.]

Playing through "A Promise Better Left Unkept" for the first time, and it's making me realize how long it's been since I played a NTR game with characters with actual coherent thoughts. Especially the villain. He's obviously a bad guy who's fucking the MC's girlfriend, but in a weird way it also kinda feels like he's this insecure person who's trying to prove something to himself. The villain has done and seen terrible things his entire life, seen people at their worst, and something about the pure honesty and niceness of the MC bothers him. His corruption almost feels like he's doing it half because of the sex, half because he wants to see the MC break. As though seeing him break will make him feel better about his own shittiness.

We need more NTR games where the bull has an interesting dynamic with the guy getting cucked. The main focus is always on the bull and the FMC/the MC and the FMC, (for good reason, it's the most straightforward), but bull and MC dynamics can be just as interesting as well.

Yeah the villain in that one is so obsessed with MC that when I first played through it I was wondering if he was actually gay for him lmao

 

[Komdot]

I'll be honest with you guys, I think RPGMs are far superior to VNs, especially when it comes to NTR. My experiences have been better with RPGMs, especially in terms of hidden NTR or branching routes.
Not to mention things like SFX or in-game features such as cell phones or "battle-fuck".

 

[John Doe Jr.]

I personally think RPGMs are filled with useless bloat and grinding. I'd rather just get to the good stuff and not spend an hour doing something totally irrelevant to unlock a scene

 

[Komdot]

I personally think RPGMs are filled with useless bloat and grinding. I'd rather just get to the good stuff and not spend an hour doing something totally irrelevant to unlock a scene

It depends. There are many VNs that also fill the time with a lot of expository and useless dialogue.

 

[rip-basium]

It depends. There are many VNs that also fill the time with a lot of expository and useless dialogue.

i generally tend to avoid RPGM games because of the grinding, and sometimes they have pretty rough art. but if the story is good enough i could be tempted. have any recommendations?

 

[Komdot]

i generally tend to avoid RPGM games because of the grinding, and sometimes they have pretty rough art. but if the story is good enough i could be tempted. have any recommendations?

If you want zero grinding, I recommend Henteria Chronicles. If you like grinding, I recommend Wailing Guignol.

 

[2022meinfzone]

https://f95zone.to/threads/my-dress-up-ntr-unseen-desire-v0-6-p2-cuckyboy.224547/

The first thing I saw from the dev in that thread is "people don't understand hard work."
Playing the hard work card is just bad imo.

 

[skyblueaster]

I'll be honest with you guys, I think RPGMs are far superior to VNs, especially when it comes to NTR. My experiences have been better with RPGMs, especially in terms of hidden NTR or branching routes.
Not to mention things like SFX or in-game features such as cell phones or "battle-fuck".

Because many VN games are not talking advantage of the format.

VNs shine when the character sprites are detailed and expressive, and the music/SFX appropriately used. Not to mention, voice acting acts a lot of flavor. Because the genre is so text-focused, you need strong writing or the entire thing falls flat.

Now, if you are going to use sprites with minimal variations, no voice acting, no solid writing to keep the viewer’s interest, then the flaws are going to become super apparent.

With RPGM games, there are battle and exploration elements to distract players, for better or worse. The "stockiness" of the RPGM assets also prevents the game from being too shit, unlike the default Ren’Py UI which is horrid.

If the RPGM engine didn’t already provide a plethora of tilesets, sprites, and music, then the average RPGM quality would drop drastically.

How many people can design a battle system from scratch, let alone a competent one? Pixel sprites and tilesets? No way in hell that’s happening. You’re getting AI-gen images passed through a pixel filter.

That being said, I’ve played so many RPGM now, that I would rather play mid VNs than mid RPGM. Some RPG Makers contain the most horrendous time wasters, whereas a VN you can skip the terrible parts with CTRL.

The first thing I saw from the dev in that thread is "people don't understand hard work."
Playing the hard work card is just bad imo.

Yeah, I never got this excuse. People don’t need to be told you’re working hard.
They can see it in the results of your work.

Now, there will always be naysayers who don’t appreciate your work. But that’s fine.
They were never going to give you money anyway. Ignore them and make stuff for the people who actually care.

Treat your readers right, and the support will follow. No one likes being told they’re underappreciative, so give reasons for people to appreciate you.

 

[2022meinfzone]

Because many VN games are not talking advantage of the format.

The guy already said "especially when it comes to NTR." But I don't disagree with what you said.

And not fully voiced VN can still be hella good: the recent Company Ink is a stellar example. Looks simple from the outside but very well executed, very lively. It's a case where the visual in visual novel is on the display. I personally think only two or three character sprites and a bunch of text in front of a background image is enough to make enough different between a visual novel and a choose your own adventure book.

For jp side, most of them have voice so it's nothing special. But this one and this one also have the visual part stand out.

Some VNs like Homestay (jp side) or hangovercat (western side) with live2d sprites and animation sex scenes looks impressive at first but still not take the visual part seriously imo.

 

[ThatGuy_Shaggy]

Yeah the villain in that one is so obsessed with MC that when I first played through it I was wondering if he was actually gay for him lmao

Sounds like Hangover Cat needs to drop the Harry route and resolve some unspoken sexual tension. It's time Aya and Laura to get cucked.

 

[remix_10tan]

Anyone got a full save for this one
RJ01436706
game is mid but its ok,the ui is quite lacking, made me feel lazy to finish it.

 

[kotfpp]

That being said, I’ve played so many RPGM now, that I would rather play mid VNs than mid RPGM. Some RPG Makers contain the most horrendous time wasters, whereas a VN you can skip the terrible parts with CTRL.

I can kind of understand skipping things in an rpgmaker game but if you're skipping text in a visual novel what's the point? The scenes in any of these games are the weakest part. The art is rarely good enough to stand on its own and it's worse on average now than it was years ago because of the proliferation of ai. I delete games pretty quickly now when I end up skipping around because I can just go look at something better if that's all there is to it.

 

[skyblueaster]

I can kind of understand skipping things in an rpgmaker game but if you're skipping text in a visual novel what's the point? The scenes in any of these games are the weakest part. The art is rarely good enough to stand on its own and it's worse on average now than it was years ago because of the proliferation of ai. I delete games pretty quickly now when I end up skipping around because I can just go look at something better if that's all there is to it.

I’m mostly referring to JVNs, where the art is top-tier and scenes are voice-acted.
I don’t bother reading EVN if I’m going to skip the plot.
The thing is, there actually isn’t that much NTR EVN to begin with—that isn’t AVN slop, of course.
(I don’t mean this disparagingly, but holy is Steam filled with them.)

 

[anonsuit]

I can kind of understand skipping things in an rpgmaker game but if you're skipping text in a visual novel what's the point? The scenes in any of these games are the weakest part. The art is rarely good enough to stand on its own and it's worse on average now than it was years ago because of the proliferation of ai. I delete games pretty quickly now when I end up skipping around because I can just go look at something better if that's all there is to it.

for me it depends on the text. on how pleasant it is to read vs how trashy it is.
for me trashy is what I call teatime.

in anime i can watch characters talk about tea, its characteristics and smells and how pleasureable they are to taste. but in writing my brain simply rejects that as wasted time.

simply because in anime i can drone out that section, i can focus on the character's faces, the animation or the sounds being heard but in a VN that description is usually the only thing available. and I am sorry if the writer thinks that the flavors of fake tea may be interesting to me. or that a phone conversation with the service company is interesting to me, of the 500th time an MC is being told good morning how are you, I am fine and you? I am fine tank you, do you want some breakfast?? yes I what is for breakfast?

or WHEN I HAVE 6 FUCKING PARAGRAPHS DESCRIBING THE BACKGROUND IMAGE! this is one of the things I do not like about
hangovercat

to not leave this message in a rant. as for books, for example I recommend do androids dream of electric sheep as a pleasurable read, while neuromancer is not that pleasing to read. They are both great books, but I enjoyed reading one more than the other.

 

[Bartlett]

It depends. There are many VNs that also fill the time with a lot of expository and useless dialogue.

Don't forget the bane of everyone's existence, the so-called Ren'Py "sandbox." Possibly the worst idea known to man. The perfect compromise where you lose the streamlined, straightforward nature of the VN format, but without gaining any actual gameplay or freedom to look around and progress at your own pace.

 

[anonsuit]

i generally tend to avoid RPGM games because of the grinding, and sometimes they have pretty rough art. but if the story is good enough i could be tempted. have any recommendations?

Frist advice Use cheats I cheat on all the games that use the default implementation of the combat or any one that shows signs of grindy combat.

as for recomendations.

NTRPG2, and 1 just because 1 has historic value is not that great.
Boy hero ken
Henteria chronicles
Summer Stolen Paradise ( unfinished, buggy, not greeat art but the scenes are great)
the games made by little boy I WON'T LOSE! ~30 DAYS A PRIESTESS
or the ones made by enno The Old Mansion
the games by OreNoHut, though they get repetitive.
kurse of kubel is a game i recomend with cheats.
the games made by GapTax


as you mentioned some of these games have aquired taste art. I am personally ok with it because I prefer unrealistic art. is one of the reasons I do not like VAM games

there is also a couple of games where the characters are 2 girls. but I cant remember the names because they use the "Girl 1 and girl 2 + something else" pattern as their name they all can be found here though.

the only games I recomend to play ant not cheat are the SEQUEL games. but they are japanese grindy but at least you can see the developer put work in the combat and story.

 

[Kulman]

RPGM gamers are vastly superior to VNs for me when it comes to NTR. Especially since mystery ntr is my jam and its very, very hard to convey well in VN form.

With rpgm, you get the sense of space. Can work with spatial sounds (creaking that gets louder as you move to source, then some moans etc). Works with silhouettes, just overall being able to make a "living" world where stuff happens. Like walking around and seeing some side events in henteria. Just searching around looking for the heroine, suspicious of whats happening. Nothing may be happening, but its a natural action that is impossible to replicate in VN form.

Its very rare that a VN can top that for me and its usually just on the basis of ridiculously good art, or it somehow circumventing the usual VN formula.