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[skyblueaster]

From dlsite? Can you post the link?
Edit: She also looks like the goddess Celestine from Kuroinu

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[suky]

The lockpick success is always 100%, it's the break chance that is affected by the skills. So long as you don't put levels on it then it's fine.

There are several cheat tools in this forums. MTool and RPGM cheat tool. You can search for these if you want.
It is a bit of trial and error as it can be finnicky. I tried to edit the bool flags with Atelle meetings flags but it bugs out the game when I do that.

I did trial and error on forcing meet ups so the attempts happen faster than it should. I forgot which one is which(as even the variables are in Japanese, so I had to MTL the variables). There is a variable that has something to do with how many meetups happen(the max might be 2-3. it's still janky so I don't know if that actually does anything) and the chances of it happening(per day). I can't remember specifically so you might need to do trial and error yourself. I also messed with meet up chance (per bully) and locked it. So even if I successfully interrupt the bullies, the chances doesn't go down.

My self imposed rules are:
-Can only do jobs at night(morning if you want it to be harder as you get less money during daytime)
-Cannot sell trash
-No levels on lockpick and money
-Edited the test requirements by +50/100 (up to you with how much you want it)
-Forced meetups during 1st week via cheat tools

Maybe others that are more knowledgeable with RPGM jank can enlighten us with better ways to edit in-game stuff. Some things cannot be edited like the date. It would be easier to manipulate things if we could roll back the date but the game just won't let me edit it.

Love that ruleset, I'm deffo gonna try to play the same as you. Lockpick success chance always bothered me though. If you do not level it at all, it has 100% success rate, but if you put points in it can fail...? dam.
What I'm gonna change with your run, however, is when I'm unable to intervene (cuz I got no lockpicks), I'll edit one in just to watch the scene lol

 

[Sheltercat]

Hello fellow NTR enthusiasts! I think I posted her before that is neither her or there.

I was discussing a topic with a h developer with regards to why we enjoy the corruption/NTR factor of hentai games so much. It lead to a particular crossroads of sorts regarding which path is more enjoyable when it comes to pleasure we get when seeing the knife twisting in a relationship.

So in another words which instance do you guys prefer in a NTR;

Do you like it when the female is a virgin and pledges to lose it to their lover....but the corruptor manages to seize the honey first? And even when the female swears off the corrupter and haves sex with the lover....it just can't compare and it leads to a boiling point of unsatisfaction until she gives in and has sex with the villain and submits her 'body' to him?

Or do you prefer if the female is already sexual with her lover but after being teased forever/given an ultimatum by the villain has sex with them and then realizes that sex with her lover was always mediocre and falls from there?

Sorry if this isn't worded properly but I hope I got the point across!

I prefer the option to be open, like in Nebel Geisterjäger, where you can have both options. However, a bit of experience is also nice, as in Secret Dawn. What I like most is the slow inflection point, but also from a mystery perspective, for me that adds a lot of value, because you add your own imagination to the game, similar to what happens with some good books.

 

[monsterartisan]

Love that ruleset, I'm deffo gonna try to play the same as you. Lockpick success chance always bothered me though. If you do not level it at all, it has 100% success rate, but if you put points in it can fail...? dam.
What I'm gonna change with your run, however, is when I'm unable to intervene (cuz I got no lockpicks), I'll edit one in just to watch the scene lol

No no no. The levels influences the BREAK chance. At the lowest level the lockpick always breaks after use and at max level the lockpick never breaks and you don't need to buy a new one at all. It's the break chance not the success chance.

 

[suky]

No no no. The levels influences the BREAK chance. At the lowest level the lockpick always breaks after use and at max level the lockpick never breaks and you don't need to buy a new one at all. It's the break chance not the success chance.

well at level 1 my lockpicks never break. dunno if it's PC issue or what, literally never ever happened. Also I cannot find for the life of me the part where interrupting doesn't reduce the ntr probability. oh well.

 

[XDzanderXD]

Guys, any heroes who have the full video from Waifu punisher, highschool of the dead part 2 Rei?

 

[monsterartisan]

well at level 1 my lockpicks never break. dunno if it's PC issue or what, literally never ever happened. Also I cannot find for the life of me the part where interrupting doesn't reduce the ntr probability. oh well.

Is your save file on new game +? It might be that, make sure you are playing at latest version as well.

"ギア進行度" this translates to "gierre progression". set to 100 and lock it.
The other bullies' entries are similarly named.

 

[Raserareru]

Hello fellow NTR enthusiasts! I think I posted her before that is neither her or there.

I was discussing a topic with a h developer with regards to why we enjoy the corruption/NTR factor of hentai games so much. It lead to a particular crossroads of sorts regarding which path is more enjoyable when it comes to pleasure we get when seeing the knife twisting in a relationship.

So in another words which instance do you guys prefer in a NTR;

Do you like it when the female is a virgin and pledges to lose it to their lover....but the corruptor manages to seize the honey first? And even when the female swears off the corrupter and haves sex with the lover....it just can't compare and it leads to a boiling point of unsatisfaction until she gives in and has sex with the villain and submits her 'body' to him?

Or do you prefer if the female is already sexual with her lover but after being teased forever/given an ultimatum by the villain has sex with them and then realizes that sex with her lover was always mediocre and falls from there?

Sorry if this isn't worded properly but I hope I got the point across!

The former, by a lot.

>why we enjoy the corruption/NTR factor of hentai games so much

something like this:

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[hoochimama]

I already picked an Netorare game, anymore and it just feels like netorase.

Completely agree.

Haven't been playing porn games very long but the best compromise for this I've seen so far is just to give the player the option to opt in/out of netorare before the game starts, before you take on the role of the MC (as in Watching My Wife ). Over the course of the game the netorare player should be roleplaying and picking the choices for the MC that express that he doesn't want to get cheated on, the choices that seem most likely to prevent that netorare outcome - and the netorare would happen either because it's unavoidable after having opted in or because the choices that lead to it really weren't easy to avoid.

If over the course of a game's several hours the netorare player has to knowingly pick dialog choices for the MC that look like they'll make the love interest cheat on you just to get to see the netorare scene then the player is repeatedly engaging in the cognitive dissonance of consensual non-consent and crossing the line into willing cuckold/netorase and thus will get a much weaker erotic kick out of it - if any at all.

So here’s the thing about avoidable NTR.
Knowing it’s avoidable kills the thrill entirely.
It’s like watching a horror movie and being told the cast survives.
Ruined.

So I don’t like the avoidable tag. But if I don’t put it in, I’ll have a bunch of peeps asking "is the NTR avoidable?"
And I get it. People don’t want to sink 40 hours into a NTR game and realize that every choice was bullshit in the end.

Well, hardcore NTR enthusiasts may be fine with it, but I would argue a silent majority of NTR fans prefer happy endings to exist. They may not fap to it, but they are satisfied knowing it exists. Like H-scenes in moeges.

So yeah, avoidable NTR tag.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Reason won out, and I figured the casual NTR player base (who don’t like forced ends) is much larger than the hardcore, despair-seeking NTR crowd.

People lie. If the "happy endings" these people are asking for are ones where the netorare doesn't even happen to begin with then most of those calling for that likely aren't netorare fans, they just want the ntr to be made optional/removed so they can otherwise enjoy the rest of the game and are being dishonest about it.

A "happy ending" for netorare fans generally wouldn't be one where the ntr doesn't even happen to begin with (unfappable). A ntr happy ending would instead be one where for instance the ntr'd MC manages to overcome the trauma of being betrayed, cheated on, to stand on his own two feet, put the events behind his back, grow stronger and wiser from it and go on to achieve some modicum of peace and happiness elsewhere, with different people - OR - more interestingly, goes on to cathartically exact his revenge on those who wronged him, preferably with extreme violence. I've yet to see any such "happy endings" in the ntr games I've played, it's either sad endings (MC accepts his fate and becomes a willing cuckold/netorase), or even worse (see Moving Down ).

 

[ZBYToshiro]

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Finished Fallen Elf Freya.
As expected of these L2D Unity games, it’s more a corruption sim than NTR sim.
I got interested because the developers mentioned “hidden NTR plots” but it’s literally just a footnote in the story.

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The queen has an arrogant attitude which is always appreciated when it comes to elf milfs.
Only problem is…

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Full voice acting is nice, though the quality of the recording is somewhat grainy. The static H-scenes with dialog are decent, but few in between. During gameplay, the H-moaning is repetitive and never changes, even when the heroine is corrupted. Expect to hear the same "ikuuuu" lines over and over again.

Developer says the gameplay isn’t repetitive but it’s actually quite grindy. You have to perform tasks like use X tool Y times to unlock scenes. Or make the heroine repeatedly climax until you finish the quest/get to the next level. But there’s no option to skip the heroine’s climax or the protag’s, so it takes a while to finish stages. The EXP on the development doesn’t increase much per attempt, so you’ll be doing things like making her do the same blowjob many, many times to max out the oral stat. You can buy tools to lower the time, but it’s still grindy. If you want to advance, be prepared to click rougher/softer thousands of times and go through hundreds of non-skippable cumming animations. The difficulty is easy, and you can “corrupt” her well before the 23-day limit. But her attitude stays mostly the same during corruption, until you hit a certain cutscene late in the game.

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Animations are nicely animated but also very simple. What you see is what you get, you won’t see intricate details like her p×ssy getting wet as she gives a BJ, or her squirting when anal is performed. She does leak when you finger her, but only when performing the animation. It stays dry afterward, like you what you see above.

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Anyway, this is not a NTR game at all.
Above is the only NTR scene, and it’s just mid, tbh. Art rocks though.

Overall, a decent offering with alright production quality. Good variety in H-scenes.
Certainly has been better than a few games here, even if the NTR is lacking.
Worth checking out if you want a nice H-gallery with decent animations and a little bit of sim gameplay on top.

Do you have some good SLG-NTR game? I just realized how little I've played of those kind of games.

 

[zmfinga]

Hello fellow NTR enthusiasts! I think I posted her before that is neither her or there.

I was discussing a topic with a h developer with regards to why we enjoy the corruption/NTR factor of hentai games so much. It lead to a particular crossroads of sorts regarding which path is more enjoyable when it comes to pleasure we get when seeing the knife twisting in a relationship.

So in another words which instance do you guys prefer in a NTR;

Do you like it when the female is a virgin and pledges to lose it to their lover....but the corruptor manages to seize the honey first? And even when the female swears off the corrupter and haves sex with the lover....it just can't compare and it leads to a boiling point of unsatisfaction until she gives in and has sex with the villain and submits her 'body' to him?

Or do you prefer if the female is already sexual with her lover but after being teased forever/given an ultimatum by the villain has sex with them and then realizes that sex with her lover was always mediocre and falls from there?

Sorry if this isn't worded properly but I hope I got the point across!

I think you see a lot of games fall into the 1st category because it's easier to emphasise the corruption of the FMC with her innocence being taken away; our current modern world favours virginity in women and experience in men. That being said, I would say that it definitely depends on the story surrounding these concepts.

The knife twisting feeling is experienced when you feel there is a genuine bond between the MC and FMC, and in that moment when the pledge is formed, the commitment from the FMC is the amplification of the betrayal when it's taken. Just a pledge alone is too bland(?) and doesn't emit any feeling to the MC, just a desire not to cheat within that relationship, like normal relationships are.

The second option I have seen a lot less, but that's because there is a proper need to build that bond with the MC, so a lot more resources are required to build that. However, I feel like in this instance the sex alone shouldn't be the FMC's only reason to pick the antagonist over MC; the sex is the initiator to that affair, and is usually deepened as the antagonists' hidden personality/character is revealed, leading to FMC to 'fall' for him.

Regardless, IMO in a vacuum, the first instance is easier and cheaper to convey that corruption vs the second, but the story around these concepts are easily as important to amplify/exaggerate that NTR feeling.

 

[skyblueaster]

I think you see a lot of games fall into the 1st category because it's easier to emphasise the corruption of the FMC with her innocence being taken away; our current modern world favours virginity in women and experience in men. That being said, I would say that it definitely depends on the story surrounding these concepts.

The knife twisting feeling is experienced when you feel there is a genuine bond between the MC and FMC, and in that moment when the pledge is formed, the commitment from the FMC is the amplification of the betrayal when it's taken. Just a pledge alone is too bland(?) and doesn't emit any feeling to the MC, just a desire not to cheat within that relationship, like normal relationships are.

The second option I have seen a lot less, but that's because there is a proper need to build that bond with the MC, so a lot more resources are required to build that. However, I feel like in this instance the sex alone shouldn't be the FMC's only reason to pick the antagonist over MC; the sex is the initiator to that affair, and is usually deepened as the antagonists' hidden personality/character is revealed, leading to FMC to 'fall' for him.

Regardless, IMO in a vacuum, the first instance is easier and cheaper to convey that corruption vs the second, but the story around these concepts are easily as important to amplify/exaggerate that NTR feeling.

The concept of virginity basically goes hand-in-hand with "fated love" or "love at first sight." Or red string of fate in JP.

If "your girl" has had sex with another, it basically means you’re not that special, and that anyone else could have taken your place. If you were truly soulmates in every sense of the word, no other man should have been able to seduce her. She should be yours and yours only.

NTR feeling is slightly lessened when heroine is a non-virgin because it shows she will have sex with another man, reasons notwithstanding. With a virgin heroine it’s uncertain, which adds to the thrill.

You can still have a really good NTR with a non-virgin heroine, it’s just that some players prefer virgin heroine for that added kick in the pants. It adds another layer to the corruption, especially if the heroine compares her (mediocre) first time to what the bull offers later.

 

[chivien]

The concept of virginity basically goes hand-in-hand with "fated love" or "love at first sight." Or red string of fate in JP.

If "your girl" has had sex with another, it basically means you’re not that special, and that anyone else could have taken your place. If you were truly soulmates in every sense of the word, no other man should have been able to seduce her. She should be yours and yours only.

NTR feeling is slightly lessened when heroine is a non-virgin because it shows she will have sex with another man, reasons notwithstanding. With a virgin heroine it’s uncertain, which adds to the thrill.

You can still have a really good NTR with a non-virgin heroine, it’s just that some players prefer virgin heroine for that added kick in the pants. It adds another layer to the corruption, especially if the heroine compares her (mediocre) first time to what the bull offers later.

You have some obsessions with the weirdest ideas. Personally I prefer non virgin heroines.

 

[S3vatari0n]

Hello fellow NTR enthusiasts! I think I posted her before that is neither her or there.

I was discussing a topic with a h developer with regards to why we enjoy the corruption/NTR factor of hentai games so much. It lead to a particular crossroads of sorts regarding which path is more enjoyable when it comes to pleasure we get when seeing the knife twisting in a relationship.

So in another words which instance do you guys prefer in a NTR;

Do you like it when the female is a virgin and pledges to lose it to their lover....but the corruptor manages to seize the honey first? And even when the female swears off the corrupter and haves sex with the lover....it just can't compare and it leads to a boiling point of unsatisfaction until she gives in and has sex with the villain and submits her 'body' to him?

Or do you prefer if the female is already sexual with her lover but after being teased forever/given an ultimatum by the villain has sex with them and then realizes that sex with her lover was always mediocre and falls from there?

Sorry if this isn't worded properly but I hope I got the point across!

I prefer the first option because in NTR setting/paths, I'm not looking for a true love story. I'm looking for a story about a woman who naively throws it all (and by all, I mean all, including her firsts) away wither to protect her true love, or in the misguided search for better, only to ultimately find out she was nothing but a piece of meat to be used and tossed aside for fresh pickings when they get bored, which naturally means I prefer the Netori to be a virgin hunter.

I like it even more when the Netori is the obvious (from the omniscient viewpoint) bad choice: the fat bastard loser who can't get ahead without playing dirty, the sleazy playboy who's only looking for a naive pump and dump, the politician who's just exercising his power and influence, etc. If the Netori is doing it for love, it's already a turnoff for me.

 

[skyblueaster]

People lie. If the "happy endings" these people are asking for are ones where the netorare doesn't even happen to begin with then most of those calling for that likely aren't netorare fans, they just want the ntr to be made optional/removed so they can otherwise enjoy the rest of the game and are being dishonest about it.

A "happy ending" for netorare fans generally wouldn't be one where the ntr doesn't even happen to begin with (unfappable). A ntr happy ending would instead be one where for instance the ntr'd MC manages to overcome the trauma of being betrayed, cheated on, to stand on his own two feet, put the events behind his back, grow stronger and wiser from it and go on to achieve some modicum of peace and happiness elsewhere, with different people - OR - more interestingly, goes on to cathartically exact his revenge on those who wronged him, preferably with extreme violence. I've yet to see any such "happy endings" in the ntr games I've played, it's either sad endings (MC accepts his fate and becomes a willing cuckold/netorase), or even worse (see Moving Down ).

I would argue there’s a decent chunk of NTR-lite fans who consider the "pure love" route canon but use the NTR scenes to fap because it's hot. Because if the NTR didn’t interest them at all, they’d just play a moege or game with 100% vanilla content instead.

Do keep in mind expectations can vary wildly for happy endings. For example:
1. Heroine never falls, couple remains loyal to each other
2. Heroine "falls," never enjoys sex with bull, and MC takes her back
3. Heroine falls, gives in to lust and enjoys sex with bull, but MC eventually "fixes" her and takes her back
4. Heroine falls, loses herself to bull permanently. MC learns to deal with it and perhaps finds someone else

There are also subsects to this, such as:
1. Heroine loses virginity to bull but still ends up with MC.
2. Heroine doesn't lose virginity but engages in kissing/anal/"non-penetrative" sex
3. Heroine never loses virginity to anyone and relationship with MC is undefined/hopeful (not a fan of these non-commital endings)

Because it’s impossible to satisfy every criteria, I just focus on writing on writing what I think is best for the plot. If forced kiss scenes are necessary, then so be it. Not saying it’s is in there, but if the plot demands it, then it should be done.

It does take a very long time to include a "good route." I would say 2-3x the effort if not more. You have to incorporate every what-if scenario in future scenes and it gets exponentially more difficult as the game goes longer. Very taxing and time-consuming, but these are the sacrifices you need to make in a game where choices actually matter. I don’t consider 5 minute endings or choices that change the sex scenes to be actual routes.

At the end of the day, I don't blame devs for making NTR-only games. Time and money are precious. From personal experience, I would say multiple routes and voice acting almost never pays off, I just include them because I personally like those features.

But yeah, the most popular NTR games are almost always forced NTR with a plethora of scenes. Voice acting totally unnecessary, though animation in H-scene carries a lot. See: Azienda, Hangovercat

 

[Virpgoil]

廃コロニーからの脱出 was great, great mother ntr with a fun gameplay. This dev has a huge future, too bad it will never be published here for shota reasons.

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Great game. I hope he goes back to solely mother ntr again. His next game is going to have 3 different women this time so no mother only

 

[Virpgoil]

What made you like NTR and what was the first game you played of this genre? Mine was Scars of Summer.

Simgirls

 

[dinamite157]

Hey! Always wanted to do a run like that, but lockpick chance to succeed is literally 100% when I play the game, they legit never break. What kinda rules did you make for yourself, and how did you edit the files?

What game are you guys talking about?

 

[Zadke]

What game are you guys talking about?

NtrKnight by warmonger or watev his names translate to english

 

[oklololol]

The lockpick success is always 100%, it's the break chance that is affected by the skills. So long as you don't put levels on it then it's fine.

There are several cheat tools in this forums. MTool and RPGM cheat tool. You can search for these if you want.
It is a bit of trial and error as it can be finnicky. I tried to edit the bool flags with Atelle meetings flags but it bugs out the game when I do that.

I did trial and error on forcing meet ups so the attempts happen faster than it should. I forgot which one is which(as even the variables are in Japanese, so I had to MTL the variables). There is a variable that has something to do with how many meetups happen(the max might be 2-3. it's still janky so I don't know if that actually does anything) and the chances of it happening(per day). I can't remember specifically so you might need to do trial and error yourself. I also messed with meet up chance (per bully) and locked it. So even if I successfully interrupt the bullies, the chances doesn't go down.

My self imposed rules are:
-Can only do jobs at night(morning if you want it to be harder as you get less money during daytime)
-Cannot sell trash
-No levels on lockpick and money
-Edited the test requirements by +50/100 (up to you with how much you want it)
-Forced meetups during 1st week via cheat tools

Maybe others that are more knowledgeable with RPGM jank can enlighten us with better ways to edit in-game stuff. Some things cannot be edited like the date. It would be easier to manipulate things if we could roll back the date but the game just won't let me edit it.

Hey! I've tried this game a couple years ago but quickly dropped it because the translation was atrocious at the time. Your rules actually makes me want to give a second chance to this game but I have a question, how many forced meetups do you recommend 1st week? All the characters? Only one? I don't know if forcing multiple meetups would break the game