Ntr tag changed to netorare?

bluerubber

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It's already been explained several times why cheating and swing do not cover netori and netorase.

Also the Japanese words are better in everyway as they are more well established for decades in the porn/hentai community. As well as the fact japanese games are one of the guest reasons to use this site if not the biggest.

The lack of tags will only continue to make more and more problems and arguments. The mods refusing to add the tag till this update (that has been said to come for what years now) is only going to compound the problem further that can just be fixed by putting 2 new tags then just let users report games that need them.
Ironically, Your partial explanation and reply to my post along with your passion on this specific thread pretty much reinforce and validate most of my points actually.
 

Trickstar

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Ironically, Your partial explanation and reply to my post along with your passion on this specific thread pretty much reinforce and validate most of my points actually.
This is even worse logic than the other guy lol, I am literally just explaining why people have been wanting tags for years and how the current tags are inaccurate. Even the staff are planning to add these tags because they recognize the current tags are not good enough for it.

All they need to do is add them sooner rather than later as it's clear this supposed tag system overhaul isn't coming anytime soon.

I also find it hilarious that just because I (and many other people) want to find games easier with actually accurate tags that you think that actually makes your argument any stronger lmao.

Sure, sure. Better, except conveying absolutely the same idea (which is what definitions do)

But you may continue being smugly pedantic at your leisure.
You can call me smug all you want but it doesn't make you any less wrong on the subject lol.
 

SharkVampire

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The more tags we will have, the fewer people will spend time deciding if this game suits their taste or not. Period.
Maybe we'll finally even get rid of that curse, like "Is NTR AVOIDABLE????".

Besides, If the new voting system will not require moderators to be involved in order for the game to get the appropriate tags, it will be just great.
 

bluerubber

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This is even worse logic than the other guy lol, I am literally just explaining why people have been wanting tags for years and how the current tags are inaccurate. Even the staff are planning to add these tags because they recognize the current tags are not good enough for it.

All they need to do is add them sooner rather than later as it's clear this supposed tag system overhaul isn't coming anytime soon.

I also find it hilarious that just because I (and many other people) want to find games easier with actually accurate tags that you think that actually makes your argument any stronger lmao.
Most of the thoughts you express on this thread contain a passive aggressive tone. That didn't at all change with your reponse in an attempt to put all the weight of that aggression on me and others with that reply either.

Maybe if you had not started the conversation with me starting with "It's already been explained several times why..." which is basically telling someone you don't have time for them in a not so subtle way.

When I said you pretty much reinforced my original comment, one of the main things I was referring to you, was when you stated "Also the Japanese words are better in everyway as they are more well established for decades in the porn/hentai community. As well as the fact japanese games are one of the guest reasons to use this site if not the biggest." ---this was your response to when I said "this is an english website and adding more similar japanese words will only add more confusion to normal visitors.....and only caters to the ocd and the purist manga fans." ...that does basically reinforce my statement, no matter how accurrate your assessment of it is, it still proved my point.

Ultimately, your approach to conversations in this website is fairly constistent with others on here that just continues the back and forth. I find myself in this same trap myself more often than I would prefer. Probably why I barely post at all on here anymore.
 

LoafyLemon

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It would be simpler if we used terms that are commonly understood by the western populace; I propose the following:

netorare - non-consensual cuckoldry
netorase - consensual cuckoldry
netori - I am the one who fucks (No matter whom or what)
 

Chalker

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Actually the current definition of swinging is pretty close to netorase:
  • Swinging [A couple allowing one or both partners to have sex with a third party.]
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If that's the definition... shouldn't a lot of harem games have the swinging tag?
Since usually the MCs OG girl lets him do other girls and all that...
 

Meaning Less

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If that's the definition... shouldn't a lot of harem games have the swinging tag?
Since usually the MCs OG girl lets him do other girls and all that...
Harem is more similar to an extended relationship, where consensual sex between members is already part of the harem definition:
  • Harem [1 person being courted by at least 3 others, all engaging in consensual sex simultaneously.]
So swinging doesn't apply as long as the characters are being added to the harem before fucking them.

Now some harem games may allow for member to have sex for fun even with people outside of the harem (third party), that's when the swinging tag also applies, will depend on how people perceived the situation in question.

But in most cases the intent is to simply add more people to the harem what isn't necessarily swinging/sharing but just classic harem logic.
 

baloneysammich

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If that's the definition... shouldn't a lot of harem games have the swinging tag?
Since usually the MCs OG girl lets him do other girls and all that...
Similarly, most if not all harem games that I've played begin with MC having relationships with multiple girls without each others' knowledge, aka cheating. But it's so intrinsic to the genre that adding the tag wouldn't really be valuable or informative IMO. Unless there's a significant narrative thread of MC stepping out on his harem or something like that.
 

Chalker

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Harem is more similar to an extended relationship, where consensual sex between members is already part of the harem definition:
  • Harem [1 person being courted by at least 3 others, all engaging in consensual sex simultaneously.]
So swinging doesn't apply as long as the characters are being added to the harem before fucking them.

Now some harem games may allow for member to have sex for fun even with people outside of the harem (third party), that's when the swinging tag also applies, will depend on how people perceived the situation in question.

But in most cases the intent is to simply add more people to the harem what isn't necessarily swinging/sharing but just classic harem logic.
A lot of harem games would get it, depending on how the "harem" is implemented.
The point I was trying to make is that the tag is just extremely shitty, and people who are looking for swinging would find anything they want by that definition. It is not even close to what swinging is in real life. Swinging should probably be replaced by either
Netorase - Consensual sharing outside of a pre-established relationship.

Or divided into

Cuckold/quean - Protagonist/love-interest letting love-interest/protagonist have sex with someone outside their relationship.
Swinging - Protagonist and his love-interest(s) being in a open relationship.
 

hakarlman

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Changing it from NTR to Netorare is the right move. Now they just have to add a Netori and Netorase tag.
 
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Meaning Less

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Or divided into

Cuckold/quean - Protagonist/love-interest letting love-interest/protagonist have sex with someone outside their relationship.
Swinging - Protagonist and his love-interest(s) being in a open relationship.
Well that was the point Trickstar was making, the swinging tag is too global and I agree.

Altough instead of 'Cuckold/quean' I would use exactly to avoid people confusing it again with other stuff like swinging or netorare all over again. Afterall even though lots of people seem not to care, the fact is that games that tackle those fetishes are very different:

Swinging games: tend to be about a couple that is in a explicit open relationship both ways, these games usually depict both fucking around with different people.

Netorase games: The mc just loves sharing his partner and enjoy watching while occasionally fucking her. It is a one way street.

So yeah they should be divided, but like already mentioned apparently this will only be done after the new tag system is complete.
 
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Chalker

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Netorase games: The mc just loves sharing his partner and enjoy watching while occasionally fucking her. It is a one way street.
Assuming genders of perputrators? how sexist.

Also, overall, netorase is literally cuck shit, like how would it be confused for swinging.
you literally went "swinging and cuck? no, let's do swinging and cuck(in janapese) to prevent confusion," which would probably make it more confusing.
 
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Chalker

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The moment I saw people calling lesbian sex inside a harem cuck shit was the moment I was sure westerners have completely different definitions of the english word.

Just being in a relationship is probably already cuck shit for some.
well, you know what? maybe YOU are the cuck shit!
 
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