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Akeraux
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I know, but she didnt have any compromise with MC, thats purely FMC decision and the plot device.
I mean, temptation will always be out there, but cheating is not an accident, we dont need to re-descover the wheel over that.
And yeah, innocence has no room here lol, and the older you are, the less you can excuse yourself using innocence as a reason.
I agree with everything else you said mate.
I am not sure what you mean by "didn't have any compromise"? She assisted in the corruption of the FMC, which makes her just as guilty as Blake. Sure, the FMC is making the decisions, but again, it is a betrayal of the MC because she 1) knows the FMC is with him and 2) she assisted in getting the MC to cheat, especially with the photoshoot where she left out that it would be with Blake if I remember right and the FMC was struggling with her cheating already (Typical hilarious, poor me... garbage NTR dialogue), hoping that she could avoid Blake and get back to normal with Alan.
In my eyes, she is the assistant corrupter to Blake, and without a doubt at fault, deserving of the same fate as both Blake and the FMC in the betrayal.
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I mean "compromise" literally, She has no relationship with the MC other than being his girlfriend's sister.
She's a mere plot device on the corruption of FMC, so she owes nothing to MC.
The one who owes loyalty to MC is FMC, and vice versa ofc.
It would have been interesting if her sister had played the role of corrupting the MC, just as Blake does with the FMC, but sadly it seems the story won't be exploring that possibility.
Just imagine all these consequences we fantasize about being a direct result of her machinations to steal MC away from FMC...
And she shoots Blake in the nuts herself, delightful.
The game just crashes whenever I go to the gallery, I can load up saves and play just fine but the gallery just keeps crashing the game. Anyone know why this is happening?
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Roll my eyes at those who eagerly show their superior morality and talk zealously about "guilt" in the forum of an NTR pron game. Oh, please, calm down, this is just a game based on adult fantasy,F-A-N-T-A-S-Y. Nothing in this game really happens in reality, so don't be harsh on it with the superior "real-life" morality; it's funny to talk about revenge --- revenge is not sexy, cheating is, everything happens in the game serves as an adult fantasy, and no one says those PORN events and characters MUST be realistically convincing, OK?
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Talking about a whole demographic like that is problematic there's many people for which a realistic situation is far more "sexy" anyway they should not play this game as in the OP it is stated that this is a typical NTR game.
So yeah those people are dumb.
I understand your point now, though I disagree in terms of her responsibility here outside of a "plot device". She has no loyalty, sure... but she isn't a neutral party. She aided Blake with the photoshoot knowing Blakes intention (ie she didn't tell the FMC about Blake being a part of the second shoot), which makes her an accomplice, an antagonist and at fault. There are no innocent bystanders in the encounters she was involved in. In my eyes, she is just as guilty.
A True neutral party would not interact with any such actions be it through indirect or direct occurrence. At worst they would walk away from the occurrences to distance themselves, at best they would inform the MC of Blakes actions and the FMCs. Since she did neither, she was as guilty as Blake and the FMC.
Everyone enjoys the stories for different reasons, nothing wrong with the discussion concerning it. Nobody is "demanding" the game change, merely giving an opinion on how it is provided. Lets be honest, the story is nothing more than FMC realizes she is a whore and chases "magic big dick".
You are right, this is a fantasy porn game, but I would say it is more cuckold/humiliation porn than NTR. Sure, some find that "sexy" (I can't relate). NTR is about the girl being stolen, it has more of a story focus in its origins than simply "Whore bangs dude and humiliates their love" and how that is developed is important in the concept.
In basic formula, yes... that is... the slow learning of the deception of the girl being stolen.
My issue is... more with the presentation of the MC in learning this which is a consistent problem in a lot of the NTR titles (Western NTR seems to really suffer from this). The writing is simplistic and driven to that of a sexual fetish, not the story concept of Netorare. Even you your self treat the story from that perspective "Cheating is sexy", which is fine... that may be your thing, but for some NTR is about the slow burn emotional roller coaster in discovery and it is important for the MC to be a competent in this process.
As I said, the standard MC in this game and many others tends to be pretty moronic in his thought process as well as his rationalization of what he sees. The MC doesn't act like someone who doesn't want to be cheated on, rather like someone being controlled by someone who wants him to be cheated on (if that makes any sense?). This behavior is evident in his decisions, the scenes and how they are played, his reasoning within each encounter that doesn't line up as well as how he reacts to obvious things that should provoke a reaction or direction that someone who does not want and suspects cheating occurring.
To be fair, yes... this game was pretty clear in the credits as to the "type" (ie magic big dick) which "usually" indicates the game is about the MC operating from a 4th wall cuck mind.
In the end though, I didn't mean to insult your kink, but I also have my own mindset as to what I expect in these concepts. Is my view any less valid than yours? Why is it that your moral position of "Cheating is sexy" is valid, yet my claim of "revenge on the cheater" is not? Seems rather... a position of superiority does it not?
Fact is, I really don't care how you like to play these games, I like them for different reasons (ie getting revenge on a cheater after an emotional rollercoaster of their betrayal is... well... quite satisfying... maybe not sexual, but certainly enjoyable).
This was just discussion, not a request or a demand... so I am unsure why you were getting upset about my comments and as for this being the game it is, well... I have played games like this which were very similar in their scenario and setup which did in fact provide a revenge plot or resolution, so... it wasn't completely out of place to check on something like that eventually occurring here.
Anyway, to each their own, you do you, I will do me... enjoy!
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Unfortunately, what you mentioned is a technical dilemma that all porn game devs have to face: spending too much time polishing the background story would inevitably dilute the excitement of the game and profoundly change its nature as pornography. So, they have to introduce a rather unconvincing plot to develop the story quickly, such as how the sister helps Blake to corrupt FMC, so that they can keep up the pace. This almost happens in every FMC game.
I strongly oppose introducing any morality when it comes to porn games that are based on fantasies, which is pointless. Cheating is sexy to me because I know it's so wrong morally that I dare not try it in real life; I don't need anyone, especially the devs, to remind me that. If porn games must follow our morality or conscience, it's totally pointless to play those games at all.
In reality, we can't find such stupid boyfriends at all; he is completely symbolised in this game to simulate the "cheating sex" that we all know does not exist. It's pretty pointless to arrange a revenge to spoil the sensation of a simulated cheating sex, which is the primary purpose of this game. The MMC is so stupid that I doubt he is capable of pulling off any revenge, TBO.
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Pointless to you, but not to others though.
Again, people enjoy things for different reasons and Netorare is not about "sex", that is western focus on the concept, the kink, the sex, the often "cucking/humiliation" concept of it.
I do find it interesting based on your perspective of the game and what you connect with, which is the cheating by the FMC and antagonist (ie Netori I think it is called?). That seems to self identify or relate to that of those two characters, not the MC to which the view is presented through.
Why do people enjoy it from this perspective then if they root for the cheater? If the enjoyment is "cheating", then that would suggest that the enjoyment of the stories process is not the traditional NTR rollercoaster from the MCs perspective, but the self identifying as the FMC/Antagonist so as to serve a sexual kink in watching the humiliation and suffering from the MCs perspective? If that is the case, it perfectly explains why there are major conflicts in what people expect in NTR and it also explains your extreme distaste for revenge arcs in these games as it would mean the characters you see as "heroes" would get justice for their offenses.
Seems more Netori focus from a "reverse" perspective as only the NTR games actually spend any effort on the suffering of the one being cheated on, so naturally if that is ones interest, you won't get that in a traditional MC cheating game.
Anyway, as for moralization, NTR as I said isn't about sex kink for many, it is about an emotional up and down. In fact, many who enjoy NTR for this very concept have zero "excitement" sexually in the game, as the concept is more about the emotions and dealing with them (betrayal of trust, friendship, love).
Look at Love & Jealousy, few would see that game as a "sex" game even though it has very graphic sex scenes. While it is not a traditionally NTR style, it deals more with traditional NTR than any of these western games because it explores the emotional concept of the MC and dealing with the cheating, how he interacts with the FMC AFTER the "find".
So if you look at the stories from that concept of perspective, it then makes perfect sense as to why someone would want more reasonable attention to the actual Netorare progression to fully explore the emotional ranges, the ups and downs and eventual devastation of the "find" in that betrayal to which.... you now see how "revenge" in that cycle of emotions has a relevance and reason in the process.
That is, the game isn't about a quick fix on a sexual kink, but that of a deeper story and progression to a concept that honestly is often misrepresented in many NTR works who mistake the concept simply as a sexual vehicle for various kinks.
Though as I said, It does make perfect sense as to your aversion to this type of story focus. I mean, in many ways... a revenge plot would essentially be applying the "hurt" to the characters you share connection to, which honestly is the entire point of the MCs perspective in NTR, to be the one who is betrayed, the one who suffers emotional loss and conflict. That is really the only true reason to have the story shown through the MCs thoughts and perspective, otherwise it is Netori and that would be better suited through the FMC (cheater) or Antagonists view.
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slavegal
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Yeah, we definitely took different POV. To me, NTR is for FPOV. I don't know how to read the story from the POV of an unknowing character (boyfriend). If the boyfriend or husband knew about the cheating, the story would turn into a cuckold genre. I remember it's called NTS. Anyhow, I understand that the content could be offensive to players who are not into the cuckold genre, so being cautious with NTR is recommended. After all, even many developers can't tell apart NTR from other similar genres; they are so confusing.
Well, the MC is the main view in most of these games and even in this one, "All views" is the only way you see the FPOV perspective. The base of the story is that from the person being cheated on, not the cheater.
There are some NTR games where you play both sides, though that would be self cucking and entirely defeats the purpose of the concept of Netorare.
To be honest, as I said I see most of the NTR genre in the west to be all about kinks, and really not much about the concept itself. You either have the cuck/humiliation scenarios, the BBC humiliation, etc... and all of them are written in a way to maximize for the "cheaters" kink and so true NTR gets lost in the need to push the fetishes.
There are some NTR games where the entire game is framed from the MCs view and there isn't any outside view (ie you don't get to see the thinking or actions of anyone outside of that perspective). Are you saying that when you play those, you still place yourself into the shoes of the cheating character? Would this change if the female was the MC being cheated on?
You really should try it sometime and get the perspective of the betrayed. Word of warning though, if you are able to draw into the story, really connect with the characters and self insert/identify with the MC, the betrayal will be devastating. You might even find it changes your mood for a few days while you get your head around it.
Actually, I recommend Love & Jealousy:
https://f95zone.to/threads/love-jealousy-act-2-professor-amethyst-games.252651/
Not a traditional NTR type, it is pretty much its own thing, VERY story heavy and heady with the psychological issues of such. Great story, a bit of a train wreck at times, but much more realistic MC in his thinking and actions, though... he will be put through suffering that is pretty harsh and the FMC doesn't get to magically escape her actions, she will have to face them and deal with the MCs response. Not a revenge type, but just a massive struggle between two really messed up people who have serious trauma from their past.
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I just want to comment on this one scene.
This is cucking... it is the first offense and yet an obvious cucking by the antagonist and FMC. The whole story from here on out is silly IMO because of it. This should have been a deal ender in terms of Blake being allowed to be around her and it should have been a SERIOUS conversation between the MC and the FMC, yet... the FMC ignores it regardless of response and the cucking continues.
It is why I can't really take the story seriously.
I just want to comment on this one scene.
This is cucking... it is the first offense and yet an obvious cucking by the antagonist and FMC. The whole story from here on out is silly IMO because of it. This should have been a deal ender in terms of Blake being allowed to be around her and it should have been a SERIOUS conversation between the MC and the FMC, yet... the FMC ignores it regardless of response and the cucking continues.
It is why I can't really take the story seriously.
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From your words its clear you dont really know what Netorare is about, since guilt, and feelings, play a big role in it, in fact, they are essential to the plot: if it characters fail to make you feel something, then they failed to deliver a NTR narrative.
Oh and this is the internet, people can make anything sexy, literally anything: inanimate objects, animals, cheating and revenge, ugly uniforms, clowns, orcs, vaporeon...you name it, im certain there's porn of it.
We were chilling before you appeared, and we will keep chilling after you leave (or dont and vibe with us?)
Nobody here is insulting anyone over his kinks or playing the "kink police" and barking what others can or cant enjoy, Why can't we agree not to dictate to others how they might feel about a work of fiction?
Now, about all the adult fantasy and porn mumbojumbo you said, I fully disagree, and I'll tell you why:
All these "Visual novels" have that word that scratches my itch: Novel, and novels are long literary works that include a complex plot, with numerous characters developing in a specific time and place.
They can be based on real events or completely fictional, and their main objective is to entertain the reader.
Personally I'm not entertained by visual novels with mediocre writing that rely too much on the eye candy AKA "unconvincing stuff" (not implying this is happening here btw) you can disagree with me and say that you dont care about mediocre writing and I'll agree because not everyone can have good taste right? (I'm joking) but then I'll ask you, why are you even reading a Visual Novel in the first place?, if you just want to look at the pictures there's a lot of options that will save you time and effort, like porn games or regular porn, but on the "visual novel" genre reading (and feeling engaged by the writing or dont) is implied in the "novel" part.
I have seen great stories (and talents) on the AVN genre and I'm constantly looking for more, but dont tell me "not novelistic" stuff is fine in a novel.
See? we are still chilling and nobody got punched or shot, except Blake in my f-a-n-t-a-s-i-e-s of course.
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You know what sounds "sexy"?
Kidnapping Blake (Dexter style), keeping him in the dark as to who... giving him a locale, cutting off his bean and frank, doing a quick patch job and dropping him off at a ER in the middle of the night rush order style.
Then.... wait...
Watch how the FMC now wants to go back to the MC (cuz "big dick no longer there") and just when she thinks things are "back to normal", drop the video/info/etc... of her cheating, tell her she is a disgusting whore that deserves only the life of a prostitute, dump her ass, kick her ass out the door... then move off some where else.
Then after a long while, just to torment Blake, send his penis/balls back to him (Taxidermy).
Super sexy, I get all tingly thinking about it. lol
Kidnapping Blake (Dexter style), keeping him in the dark as to who... giving him a locale, cutting off his bean and frank, doing a quick patch job and dropping him off at a ER in the middle of the night rush order style.
Then.... wait...
Watch how the FMC now wants to go back to the MC (cuz "big dick no longer there") and just when she thinks things are "back to normal", drop the video/info/etc... of her cheating, tell her she is a disgusting whore that deserves only the life of a prostitute, dump her ass, kick her ass out the door... then move off some where else.
Then after a long while, just to torment Blake, send his penis/balls back to him (Taxidermy).
Super sexy, I get all tingly thinking about it. lol