Unity Oh So Hero! Pre Edition II [v0.20.300] [Full Frontal Frog]

[Zeorentine]

The problem here is not "Oh this game is balls". No. The game is actually good
... As much as I think this game should have been a beat-em-up and not a metroidvania because the level design is so shallow and you can just past everything without any effort (Maybe because they don't want to be compared to other gay NSFW furry beat em up games)
Back when they started the project they were working really hard, doing the animations, moves, the maps, how the maps looked... They even did a Trello to organize all the ideas they had.
And then they went a little overboard
And then the guest characters appeared (hey, they need to value Patrons!)
And then the pandemic happened
And then... Bates happened.
The monthly updates went from "full new maps and enemies" to "a little tweak on something we could have finished months ago" and this is why we are so upset... Or we shouldn't, because we're not paying a single dollar to them.
And so they're going to events and so on trying to sell their game, "wasting time". Yeah, they're completely lost now, but still going on forward.

You see, you are kind of right, which is why us, the fans of Oh so hero, are so infuriated. If the game had been bad from the start or whatever, well it wouldn't have been okay, but we wouldn't really care so much, we'd laugh at the bad game design and move on. But no, the game USED to be good, and then it got ruined, by greed no doubt, which is why it hurts. It's never easy to look at a game or dev and go "Man you used to be cool, what happened?"

But even if we don't pay for the game or the patron, we ARE allowed to criticize and point out the flaws in the game or the way it's being developed. You don't have to be a cook or own a restaurant to be allowed to complain about a rat in your soup.

Besides, I don't want to spend money on a project in progress, because even it's good, it can always go bad later. So one should only spend money on finished products, preferably the thoroughy reviewed kind. Imagine if I had spent 1000 dollars on the patreon of Oh so hero, only to be greeted with the dark age of Bates development, I'd be furious, and no, the "Hey at least I spent enough money to be able to complain on porn forums" train of thought would not be of any consolation.

 

[Thassia Faune]

You see, you are kind of right, which is why us, the fans of Oh so hero, are so infuriated. If the game had been bad from the start or whatever, well it wouldn't have been okay, but we wouldn't really care so much, we'd laugh at the bad game design and move on. But no, the game USED to be good, and then it got ruined, by greed no doubt, which is why it hurts. It's never easy to look at a game or dev and go "Man you used to be cool, what happened?"

But even if we don't pay for the game or the patron, we ARE allowed to criticize and point out the flaws in the game or the way it's being developed. You don't have to be a cook or own a restaurant to be allowed to complain about a rat in your soup.

Besides, I don't want to spend money on a project in progress, because even it's good, it can always go bad later. So one should only spend money on finished products, preferably the thoroughy reviewed kind. Imagine if I had spent 1000 dollars on the patreon of Oh so hero, only to be greeted with the dark age of Bates development, I'd be furious, and no, the "Hey at least I spent enough money to be able to complain on porn forums" train of thought would not be of any consolation.

Well, if you want to criticise the restaurant you will actually have to pay for the food, eat and then criticize.
But I guess this goes out of scope.
The point is that - there is no point complaining here. They probably won't come all the way here to see what we wrote and they will only care about what patrons write. They will keep boasting them.
But people here? We're just playing the game all the same, feeling robbed, but just waiting for the next outcome without any power to point their flaws on their face. Will they finally get their shit together? It's up to anyone to keep on waiting or just give up
I mean, there are other gay porn games going on: mostly VN. Hey, i'm not paying a single cent so I won't get pissed over a stagnated project like OSH and go play other games with smut stuff, or keep enjoyng seeing Joe getting banged by the Lono'e, Gatis, Stier, or Bates the way he is rn, if that's the best this game can have.

 

[furry maid]

I still wonder why most gay porn game only devolve to VN only to the point I am almost sick of it

 

[AlsoNotImportant3]

I still wonder why most gay porn game only devolve to VN only to the point I am almost sick of it

Writing is easier then coding. And ren'py is *very* easy to use.

 

[Takanao]

alright fellas its time to shelve your penis. no sex content will be given ..... we really need to hire a hentai game maker to do a furry game so we get a finished product

If a hentai game maker does a furry game, they'd just make them be humans with a tail stapled on and they'd call that "furry"

 

[Vakul]

Well, if you want to criticise the restaurant you will actually have to pay for the food, eat and then criticize.

Nope. If you came in, choose a table without "reserved" label, and then drunk waiter with stained clothes tells you to leave coz this table was reserver since yesterday, you don't. That shittiy idea is coming from big comanies like fucking Sony, when they buy the guts of metacritic, making them to change rules and to deny users the right to write reviews earlier than 3 days after puchase or someth. That "pay now, eat shit silently and a few days AFTER spending money you may tell something, trash" is crap and always were.

But I guess this goes out of scope.
The point is that - there is no point complaining here. They probably won't come all the way here to see what we wrote and they will only care about what patrons write. They will keep boasting them.

We are not complainig for shitdevs to listen. Only a few of them have actual balls to come here and learn. We are discussing how shitty devs are for one major purpose - so newcomers don't fall into that milktrap. Coz lets be honest some projects do look good from the first glance. And without knowing their fullstory there is a huge chance thst somebody just go and pay them.
And got milked for months before realizing that SOMETHING is not quite right.
This and those dozens of shills popping here and there to tell us how those devs are trying and how those alpha versions is actually a complete games.
Out 'complains' is not about "oh my, those baddies don't add my favourite charscter/pose/mechanic/color, oh no". They are about 'that fuckers did this and that, do NOT give them you money!'.

 

[Zeorentine]

Nope. If you came in, choose a table without "reserved" label, and then drunk waiter with stained clothes tells you to leave coz this table was reserver since yesterday, you don't. That shittiy idea is coming from big comanies like fucking Sony, when they buy the guts of metacritic, making them to change rules and to deny users the right to write reviews earlier than 3 days after puchase or someth. That "pay now, eat shit silently and a few days AFTER spending money you may tell something, trash" is crap and always were.

We are not complainig for shitdevs to listen. Only a few of them have actual balls to come here and learn. We are discussing how shitty devs are for one major purpose - so newcomers don't fall into that milktrap. Coz lets be honest some projects do look good from the first glance. And without knowing their fullstory there is a huge chance thst somebody just go and pay them.
And got milked for months before realizing that SOMETHING is not quite right.
This and those dozens of shills popping here and there to tell us how those devs are trying and how those alpha versions is actually a complete games.
Out 'complains' is not about "oh my, those baddies don't add my favourite charscter/pose/mechanic/color, oh no". They are about 'that fuckers did this and that, do NOT give them you money!'.

Yeah you tell 'em boss
You actually get it

 

[lielie1212]

New gallery save?

 

[Zeorentine]

New gallery save?

No

 

[Thassia Faune]

Nope. If you came in, choose a table without "reserved" label, and then drunk waiter with stained clothes tells you to leave coz this table was reserver since yesterday, you don't. That shittiy idea is coming from big comanies like fucking Sony, when they buy the guts of metacritic, making them to change rules and to deny users the right to write reviews earlier than 3 days after puchase or someth. That "pay now, eat shit silently and a few days AFTER spending money you may tell something, trash" is crap and always were.

We are not complainig for shitdevs to listen. Only a few of them have actual balls to come here and learn. We are discussing how shitty devs are for one major purpose - so newcomers don't fall into that milktrap. Coz lets be honest some projects do look good from the first glance. And without knowing their fullstory there is a huge chance thst somebody just go and pay them.
And got milked for months before realizing that SOMETHING is not quite right.
This and those dozens of shills popping here and there to tell us how those devs are trying and how those alpha versions is actually a complete games.
Out 'complains' is not about "oh my, those baddies don't add my favourite charscter/pose/mechanic/color, oh no". They are about 'that fuckers did this and that, do NOT give them you money!'.

I'm not saying you or anyone don't have the right to complaint. Of course you have, you're a human after all, and pissed because the game (that you didn't want to pay a single penny, like the rest of us) is not going like you wanted
But please be aware that
- Ranting that much here won't change anything about how the devs will work
- People that come here, or any other of the many places this game is being pirated won't give them money anyway.
- You really want to say shit so badly about how they're being stupid you can just send Full Frontal Frog a rant email or message on itch.io/twitter. Absolutely free
- They will only listen people that will actually PAY for them and BOAST what they do
So why bother?
Or, you may have actually balls to actually go and throw stones at them. I would love to see their answer.
For me, I'll just keep my cool and keep enjoying other games and OSH the way it is. I don't need to piss myself over confused game devs.
BTW, by the "restaurant thingy" you clearly don't know anything about game developing. That it's hard as hell if you wanna make a game that is actually worth money. So

Yeah you tell 'em boss
You actually get it

No, you both don't.
Don't get me wrong thinking I'm actually being on FFF side, because I know for years by seeing their Trello their workflow is a bullshit.
It's just, again, why would you bother to be pissed over anything you didn't invest, because it's not even finished yet? Oh, you're time? You're already wasting time here typing... Like me lol
But if you all actually want to waste your time doing that no matter what, excuse me for tryting to stop you.

 

[Vakul]

You haven't read what I wrote, have you? I'll try again then:
Our discussions here not for the devs, I don't give a damn about them after I stopped funding. My purpose is to remind other players not to pay for shit.
If the devs have balls to read this - good for them, but I seriously doubt they can given the shit they are doing.

- People that come here, or any other of the many places this game is being pirated won't give them money anyway.

Wrong. I backed several of them after finding about them here, on f95.

- You really want to say shit so badly about how they're being stupid you can just send Full Frontal Frog a rant email or message on itch.io/twitter. Absolutely free

Who said I didn't? And I can say, I did not start with mean words. Still, they choose to do shit - their choise.

Or, you may have actually balls to actually go and throw stones at them. I would love to see their answer.

I can say usually they don't answer. Purpose of that milking projects - usually is to find and gather an audience without any hints of common sense, not to hone skills or make good games.

BTW, by the "restaurant thingy" you clearly don't know anything about game developing. That it's hard as hell if you wanna make a game that is actually worth money.

How much do you need to know to google "convenient control scheme platformers" ? How much do you need to know to uncover ancient secret "convenient controls = good thing"?
And as a customer I don't give a single shit. If I want to buy a game - it is not my problem how they are doing it. Are they freezing in alaska, fighting bears just to get to the office? Suffering decompression deep down the Mariana trench? Dont. give. a fuck. I want good game for my money. And if I can see they are doing shit instead of developing a game, I don't pay or stop supporting.
It is not like I demand to add a handgun to a swordfight game. But a shitty controls, which can be fixed with d pair of "How to..." vids from youtube, and another crap, thet dissappears as soon as devs read an actual gamedesign book - inexcusable.

 

[Thassia Faune]

"No, you're dumb" tennis is kinda fun, and I have many other points on FFF may be aware of piracy and slowing dev on purpose but why waste my time if you won't care about what I say?
People will still go to any Telegram group dedicated to porn games (like I do) or here, they will still download the game and play. Whenever a new release comes out.

 

[AlsoNotImportant3]

"No, you're dumb" tennis is kinda fun, and I have many other points on FFF may be aware of piracy and slowing dev on purpose but why waste my time if you won't care about what I say?
People will still go to any Telegram group dedicated to porn games (like I do) or here, they will still download the game and play. Whenever a new release comes out.

Slowing down to fight piracy? Who would be dumb enough to even think of that? You'd just lose the paying part of your fans and encourage piracy over dealing with your spiteful shit.

 

[Mork_kai]

Can't believe I'm posting this yet again

 

[Rangaros]

We are not complainig for shitdevs to listen. Only a few of them have actual balls to come here and learn. We are discussing how shitty devs are for one major purpose - so newcomers don't fall into that milktrap. Coz lets be honest some projects do look good from the first glance. And without knowing their fullstory there is a huge chance thst somebody just go and pay them.
And got milked for months before realizing that SOMETHING is not quite right.
This and those dozens of shills popping here and there to tell us how those devs are trying and how those alpha versions is actually a complete games.
Out 'complains' is not about "oh my, those baddies don't add my favourite charscter/pose/mechanic/color, oh no". They are about 'that fuckers did this and that, do NOT give them you money!'.

Honestly? That's bs. Maybe not you specifically, can't know, but 99% of the time when people go to some unaffiliated forum to complain about some product or service it's just to vent and try to find people who agree to make them feel better. That's all there is to it.

 

[Wolfymare12]

Look mom they're fighting over the gay porn game development!

 

[SPACE!man]

Look mom they're fighting over the gay porn game development!

Live Footage:

 

[Thassia Faune]

Live Footage:
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More like this video right here, when I said "No, your dumb tennis":

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Honestly? That's bs. Maybe not you specifically, can't know, but 99% of the time when people go to some unaffiliated forum to complain about some product or service it's just to vent and try to find people who agree to make them feel better. That's all there is to it.

Finally. Thank you so much for being reasonable

 

[fluffyfox262]

The problem here is not "Oh this game is balls". No. The game is actually good
... As much as I think this game should have been a beat-em-up and not a metroidvania because the level design is so shallow and you can just past everything without any effort (Maybe because they don't want to be compared to other gay NSFW furry beat em up games)
Back when they started the project they were working really hard, doing the animations, moves, the maps, how the maps looked... They even did a Trello to organize all the ideas they had.
And then they went a little overboard
And then the guest characters appeared (hey, they need to value Patrons!)
And then the pandemic happened
And then... Bates happened.
The monthly updates went from "full new maps and enemies" to "a little tweak on something we could have finished months ago" and this is why we are so upset... Or we shouldn't, because we're not paying a single dollar to them.
And so they're going to events and so on trying to sell their game, "wasting time". Yeah, they're completely lost now, but still going on forward.

Couldent have put it better!

 

[Camera_Mann]

I wonder if there's anything to do after reaching the Dojo.