VN Ren'Py One Day at a Time [S2 Ch.20 P2] [Zoey Raven]

[Tremonia]

Could I be ok without coming on here at this point? Probably, but there are too many cool people who keep me coming back, and it outweighs the ones who are simple human trash.

The sad thing is that I completely understand and can relate to what you are saying. This platform is both a blessing and a curse at the same time. Without this board, I wouldn't have discovered AVN as a hobby and neither would I know about ODaaT. On the other hand, there really are a lot of extremely toxic people on here. All I know is that I would never be a dev here. It feels like half of the users here are not yet adults, at least not in their minds. However, I honestly wouldn't know where else to hang out. Reddit is garbage and I don't know of any other platform where you can talk about AVN.

However, I've also had a hard time here in the last two months and have deliberately avoided some threads because I know that trolls, often always the same ones, are always hanging around there and I just didn't want to put up with them. Unfortunately, this thread here is always one of them. I have no idea what problem some fragile weenies with ODaaT have that they keep picking this game of all games to spout nonsense. Sometimes it seems like it's always the same three or four people with different accounts who keep coming back. But other devs have the same problem here. The F95 community has already driven many devs away, which doesn't exactly enhance the platform. Where else could you have a direct conversation with devs?

 

[MF_DOOM]

unsavory people

That a very polite description for the scum of the earth.

 

[Tremonia]

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Why is Barb cooking you breakfast? Idk, she looks happy though.

Ok everyone, I'm not gonna quote numbers and all that stuff because it's really early, we are less then two weeks in since I came back, but I wanted to get this dev update out while I'm sort of letting something marinate.

I'm having an issue that just won't leave me alone, and that's a scene that will happen on the first day of the update. I've done a few of the breakfast scenes with Barb and am at the point I need to start animating, which is fine.

But, what I've mostly been doing is writing this scene I'm not going to tell you about that's been bugging me. It's a really important moment in this update as it will have ramifications for a character for the rest of the game. I wouldn't call what I'm going through writers block with it. It's kind of the opposite, I have too many ideas and I can't pick one (maybe that's a form of writer block idk).

It's not like this hasn't happened before, but I usually just work around whatever scene is bothering me. However, no matter what I start trying to write my mind keeps calling me back to the scene. I feel like I need to nail it down before I move on.

I've made a deal with myself though. I've done four drafts of it over the past week or so, and I'm going to allow myself just one more. Then when it comes time for the scene I'm going to pick which one feels right from the five I have. I'm also not going to apologize for wanting to nail this, because it's really important to me. If I were just doing a surface game like most VN's I wouldn't run into things like this, but you guys know me and this game. It's more than that.

The writing is huge part of it and on this occasion I just don't know where I want to go yet 100% for this particular part. I think all of the drafts I have to this point would be good, but I just can't make myself pick one. So, as I said I'm gonna write one more, then after that leave it in the lap of the Gods, and just use what feels right when I get there.

Good news is pretty much the whole rest of the update is outlined. So, after I write this last draft it will be full speed ahead! Sometimes as a writer I think you have to let certain things sit. And again, I'm unapologetic for allowing myself to do that and the time I've put into this scene.

That's it for now. I'm gonna check back in with you guys probably the first week in February. Because, I should have a lot more to share by then. Not that I feel what I have for the time I've been working again is anything to scoff at. I am just having a little hang up, which I think happens to all writers, but it shall be overcome!

As always, hope you are all doing well! Cheers!

P.S. I might do a poll for high tier patrons this month for the custom render. We haven't done that in a while.

 

[noahsombrero]

His first game is the reason for the success of that game. I'd wager to guess at least 50% of the people who play that don't even come on here. He's so big at this point he doesn't need this place, and that's just a fact. Just telling it like I see it. To further my point though, I know another developer who pitched their idea to him when she was starting out and he told her to avoid this place completely. We both didn't agree with what he said, thus we are both here (not her so much anymore because her game has gotten big too), but I know several devs who have abandoned this site altogether and don't participate in any way. Because they don't have to. Now, I'm here because I like some of the people here a lot. But, there are enough to make it not even worth a dev like me to come on. Yes, I appreciate the free advertisement, but it comes with having to deal with some unsavory people now and then. I'm talking real A holes. That's why I take breaks.

Could I be ok without coming on here at this point? Probably, but there are too many cool people who keep me coming back, and it outweighs the ones who are simple human trash.

I do appreciate that you are willing to interact with players. So many devs are not.

Generally, I think, many people come online to express behaviors they don't dare to express irl. That will be true in nearly any forum. Often there are moderators around to minimize the bloodflow, that might be small consolation.

 

[noahsombrero]

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Why is Barb cooking you breakfast? Idk, she looks happy though.

Ok everyone, I'm not gonna quote numbers and all that stuff because it's really early, we are less then two weeks in since I came back, but I wanted to get this dev update out while I'm sort of letting something marinate.

I'm having an issue that just won't leave me alone, and that's a scene that will happen on the first day of the update. I've done a few of the breakfast scenes with Barb and am at the point I need to start animating, which is fine.

Oh, joy, Barb is getting some love. Having seen the passion that she and mc have for each other, I think she deserves much. There is hope. Perhaps I can get back in the game now.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Oh, joy, Barb is getting some love. Having seen the passion that she and mc have for each other, I think she deserves much. There is hope. Perhaps I can get back in the game now.

Who said Barb was going anywhere? She's one of the top LI's in the game. Just because you can't only have her until her ending, doesn't mean she's going anywhere. In fact I'd consider her if I had to go top to bottom in LI's and rank them, which I don't really want to do. But, she's top three if not second to Lydia in most realistic for MC to end up with if we're basing things on what he would most realistically choose. The beauty of it IMO though, is you can pick pretty much any girl you want or all of them and get their endings.

Which to me is better than being pigeon holed. Also as I've mentioned a ton of times. This is an ensemble cast. Think of the movie Crash. It wouldn't work without all of those characters, and neither will my game.

If you're paying attention with the girls I'm even starting to and have dropped hints in S2 (some in S1 I think as well)
This will happen in Ch. 17. Not like it's spoilery or anything, just giving an example.



If you already told her you loved her.

 

[noahsombrero]

Who said Barb was going anywhere? She's one of the top LI's in the game. Just because you can't only have her until her ending, doesn't mean she's going anywhere. In fact I'd consider her if I had to go top to bottom in LI's and rank them, which I don't really want to do. But, she's top three if not second to Lydia in most realistic for MC to end up with if we're basing things on what he would most realistically choose. The beauty of it IMO though, is you can pick pretty much any girl you want or all of them and get their endings.

Nothing beats reality for me. And sex without love might work, but it is barely worth doing in comparison. There have been societies where harems were ok for those with the means, but that doesn't mean that the honcho loves them all. My gut tells me that he had to have a favorite. And if you have that who needs the rest, except if you are Haji Babba or something and need to impress your peer haji's.

Which to me is better than being pigeon holed. Also as I've mentioned a ton of times. This is an ensemble cast. Think of the movie Crash. It wouldn't work without all of those characters, and neither will my game.

If you're paying attention with the girls I'm even starting to and have dropped hints in S2 (some in S1 I think as well)
This will happen in Ch. 17. Not like it's spoilery or anything, just giving an example.

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If you already told her you loved her.

Yeh. The thing for me is that Barb and mc have real passion. That is the thing that I miss so much in these games. Can't wait to get your clothes off, can't keep my hands of you, can't stop kissing. Mutually, of course. Yeh, I know, things cool off after 15-20 years, but they are still very good, and the memory of how they were sustains especially when the body can't do it any more. That is why the passion needed to be there in the first place. Along with all the other stuff, trust, honesty, when times were tough you were still there helping not harping, all that.

Guess that's my fetish.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Nothing beats reality for me. And sex without love might work, but it is barely worth doing in comparison. There have been societies where harems were ok for those with the means, but that doesn't mean that the honcho loves them all. My gut tells me that he had to have a favorite. And if you have that who needs the rest, except if you are Haji Babba or something and need to impress your peer haji's.



Yeh. The thing for me is that Barb and mc have real passion. That is the thing that I miss so much in these games. Can't wait to get your clothes off, can't keep my hands of you, can't stop kissing. Mutually, of course. Yeh, I know, things cool off after 15-20 years, but they are still very good, and the memory of how they were sustains especially when the body can't do it any more. That is why the passion needed to be there in the first place. Along with all the other stuff, trust, honesty, when times were tough you were still there helping not harping, all that.

Guess that's my fetish.

I feel that's there with all the girls, but it's my game. So, of course I would.
Like I said, it's there for people to consume however they wish, but it's going to be done the way I envision it.
I think far too many people think they ARE the MC in these games, but that's just not the reality of it. You're embodying a creation of someone else. Yes, you have some license to makes choices that matter, but the MC's personality is no ones, but the MC's. Or moreover, how I write him. Which I hope people enjoy, but I don't do this game for others. I do it for me and share it with others.

 

[noahsombrero]

I feel that's there with all the girls, but it's my game. So, of course I would.
Like I said, it's there for people to consume however they wish, but it's going to be done the way I envision it.
I think far too many people think they ARE the MC in these games, but that's just not the reality of it. You're embodying a creation of someone else. Yes, you have some license to makes choices that matter, but the MC's personality is no ones, but the MC's. Or moreover, how I write him. Which I hope people enjoy, but I don't do this game for others. I do it for me and share it with others.

Of course you do. And it is simply a game. And nobody is forced to play it. Exactly like my opinions are simply opinions and nobody is forced to react to them in any way. But they might respond with their own opinions if they should so choose.

You are right, it is a mistake to identify with the mc, even though players mostly do it. I do think that such games (and paper novels and stories generally) are really about us and how we find our lives. And it is ok to talk about that.

 

[HentaiKami]

I feel that's there with all the girls, but it's my game. So, of course I would.
Like I said, it's there for people to consume however they wish, but it's going to be done the way I envision it.
I think far too many people think they ARE the MC in these games, but that's just not the reality of it. You're embodying a creation of someone else. Yes, you have some license to makes choices that matter, but the MC's personality is no ones, but the MC's. Or moreover, how I write him. Which I hope people enjoy, but I don't do this game for others. I do it for me and share it with others.

Some people have hard time immersing themselves in stories and others immerse themselves too much and think they should be able to determine everything about the MC and the story. It's why some people also complain about "forced LIs", not understanding that while it's a game where they are in control, they are still playing through the writer's story and have to stick within the limitations that the writer has set.

 

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As it says above, Sam came up to me and said "Zoey, they're gonna pick me if you do a poll, so why don't we just get it out of the way now, so they can vote on one of the other girls."

She's both a confident and fragile woman so I kinda had to agree. I didn't really need sold any more than I already was, but when she said she wanted to do an open top tit shot, that pretty much sealed the deal.

I hope you guys got the chance for her to open up to you in the last update and be vulnerable. It almost made me cry writing that scene. Because her character really did put herself out there in a way she'd not done before in her life.

This is for all Patron's "Paid Member's", or whatever the hell Patreon has decided to call you today. Cheers!

We'll have a poll with some other girls in a few days. Enjoy, and I must say I thought this came out rather well!

 

[Zoey Raven]

Some people have hard time immersing themselves in stories and others immerse themselves too much and think they should be able to determine everything about the MC and the story. It's why some people also complain about "forced LIs", not understanding that while it's a game where they are in control, they are still playing through the writer's story and have to stick within the limitations that the writer has set.

You actually said this much better than I did!

 

[noahsombrero]

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She's both a confident and fragile woman so I kinda had to agree. I didn't really need sold any more than I already was, but when she said she wanted to do an open top tit shot, that pretty much sealed the deal.

I hope you guys got the chance for her to open up to you in the last update and be vulnerable. It almost made me cry writing that scene. Because her character really did put herself out there in a way she'd not done before in her life.

Almost made you cry. I admit her text was really sweet. But what you show me here is a 15 year old's wet dream. Nothing wrong with that if you are 15, but even a 15 year old can also have a crush that might not look quite like that. I am reminded of the old song

"Gimme spots on apples, but leave me the birds and the bees." Pave paradise.

But it is still true, in spite of that, nobody but environmental extremists will choose to buy spotty apples. Really, seen one lately? So, I get it, but I don't feel it. I must be an extremist.

Darn it.

 

[Barrus]

Must have been said a thousand times before but Lydia is absolutely gorgeous. Really enjoy the inner thoughts of the MC as well. He's a bit of a philosopher himself!

 

[noahsombrero]

Must have been said a thousand times before but Lydia is absolutely gorgeous. Really enjoy the inner thoughts of the MC as well. He's a bit of a philosopher himself!

And she stuck with him through thick and thin. Even as a heroine addict, her heart rings true.

I mean, how would mc feel about it if Lydia said, "I'm going to spend the next week or so fucking Johnny Schlong, but I will be back. See you later."?

Is it true that what is sexually ok in guys, is unacceptable in women?

Here's a for instance. The only porn game I have come across that has even a couple of women like that is Being a Dik.

So good on ya, DPC.

The thing to notice is how all the guys talk about them.

So bad on ya, DPC.

So why not go talk about that in the BAD forum? I think as widespread as this pattern is, it could be talked about anywhere. And you guys are as good as any. If you wanna.

 

[MF_DOOM]

I mean, how would mc feel about it if Lydia said, "I'm going to spend the next week or so fucking Johnny Schlong, but I will be back. See you later."?

Is it true that what is sexually ok in guys, is unacceptable in women?

Some people just don't care for monogamy and that's about it.

The thing is, if the dev would make Lydia as sexually active as the MC all the sexually fragile people would start whining about how this cuck of a dev is forcing NTR on them.

 

[noahsombrero]

Milk drinker, copyright Skyrim, Bethesda.

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Some people just don't care for monogamy and that's about it.

Good point. So, what do you call a woman like that? Could you seriously love a woman like that?

Ok, there is one historical figure like that that I know of. George Sand the novelist. But even she was picky,
and her guys had to agree and appreciate how she was. It can happen. The thing is that she brought undeniable intellect and talent to the bed (table). I think even I could appreciate a woman like that.

The thing is, if the dev would make Lydia as sexually active as the MC all the sexually fragile people would start whining about how this cuck of a dev is forcing NTR on them.

True. Some of us are wired that way and some not. Maybe we could take the word slut from the dictionary. Also homosexual. Gays are a lot closer to acceptance than sluts though. And some of us seem to not experience love the same as others of us. From the outside, it doesn't even look like love. Could that be true?

 

[MF_DOOM]

Good point. So, what do you call a woman like that? Could you seriously love a woman like that?

I don't know, I don't care much for relationships or love either. Last time I was in some kind of serious relationship was almost 10 years ago and I don't miss it either.
I am not possessive like that and I am "keep it casual" kind of guy.

 

[noahsombrero]

I don't know, I don't care much for relationships or love either. Last time I was in some kind of serious relationship was almost 10 years ago and I don't miss it either.
I am not possessive like that and I am "keep it casual" kind of guy.

Sounds like you answered my question. You don't experience love, at least not any more.

Because it isn't about being possessive. It is about feeling. If your partner screws around, you could allow yourself to feel betrayed, and look elsewhere. But you don't need to express possession. The old saw about, if you love somebody, set them free ( If they return, they are yours) applies. That would be in their own heart, you still would not have possession. But it can help a lot to know what is in their heart.

Getting that requires giving the same on your part and all the risks of vulnerability. Word on the street is that the risk is worth it. YMMV.

 

[Zoey Raven]

Yea, I have no response other than to not respond to the last few messages. I'll let others if they'd like.