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Jnx

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I think you need to replay this. You're confused af.
Right after I reviewed the game was abandoned for X amount of time and unless the story has been completely rewritten, there's no way anything but my issues with the endings have been addressed.

Please don't @ me trying to abrasively shill for a developer just because you like a game. I gave my honest thoughts on a story that could have been better and I'm sorry my views aren't aligned with yours, but it is what it is.
 
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Havik79

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See now I'm going to go the other route here, I am not going to jump on the people writing the reviews, no I am going to say, "If you read reviews, you are fucking retarded".

It's 2024, honest reviews are like manners/common sense, gone the way of the dodo bird.
 
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Old Grumpy Wolf

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Right after I reviewed the game was abandoned for X amount of time and unless the story has been completely rewritten, there's no way anything but my issues with the endings have been addressed.

Please don't @ me trying to abrasively shill for a developer just because you like a game. I gave my honest thoughts on a story that could have been better and I'm sorry my views aren't aligned with yours, but it is what it is.
First off, I'll @ anyone that I want. Two, I don't shill for anyone. But your entire post earlier was total shit. Half of it was made up and the other half wasn't any better.

Again, replay the fuckin game and get the story of it right. Then come back and bitch. I have a couple bitches about it myself, but at least I know the fuckin story.
 
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Vollezar

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I think I'll do this. If I rate the game 3 stars or higher, I'll buy it on Steam and leave a review there. I appreciate the offer!
That said, the steam release would've been an opportunity to clean up some dialog and variables, since you do agree that this could be improved on?

I'll do a blind playthrough without mods to get the same experience someone on Steam would have. I don't think it would be fair to leave a Steam review otherwise.


In this case I'll "try before buy". It's impossible for me to know what's bullshit and what isn't. Different people have their own subjective experience. I'm perfectly happy playing an AVN celibately, and dislike forced relationships, for instance. I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but it shows that people have a different tolerance for story vs. lewds-ratio. Like, I'm one of those people that think MBML needed to go much slower. :ROFLMAO:
It's not really actually messed up. Kind of hard to explain. But i'll try.

This event happens on all of the routes. It is a common thread. On each route it happens in a different place, there are different characters and the dialogue is different. On routes other than Anh solo, it is explained to the characters that there is a man who aims to hurt Alex and why. So, by the time this route happens players already got the backstory. When you play this route that dialogue does not happen. When the event transpires only Alex and the bad guy know what is happening. The rest of the people present have no idea what is going on or why. (they will find out later in the story).
There is no actual dialogue between characters during or after the event as if they know what's going. It's just players already know about the story and it feels confusing when the event happens on this route without the dialogue revealing the backstory of the event.
My mistake was releasing this route after I've already revealed the story to players. The route, the way it is now, is working just right. MC and the rest will get the backstory when the time is right. At the moment they are dealing with the fault of the event. Why the guy was after Alex is not yet that important. What the guy said during the event might make someone think he is just some crazy stalker that they never noticed. Neither he nor Alex say anything about indicating that Alex even knows the guy and he does not mention their past connection. Just that he wants to rape or kill her.
 

Old Grumpy Wolf

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It's not really actually messed up. Kind of hard to explain. But i'll try.

This event happens on all of the routes. It is a common thread. On each route it happens in a different place, there are different characters and the dialogue is different. On routes other than Anh solo, it is explained to the characters that there is a man who aims to hurt Alex and why. So, by the time this route happens players already got the backstory. When you play this route that dialogue does not happen. When the event transpires only Alex and the bad guy know what is happening. The rest of the people present have no idea what is going on or why. (they will find out later in the story).
There is no actual dialogue between characters during or after the event as if they know what's going. It's just players already know about the story and it feels confusing when the event happens on this route without the dialogue revealing the backstory of the event.
My mistake was releasing this route after I've already revealed the story to players. The route, the way it is now, is working just right. MC and the rest will get the backstory when the time is right. At the moment they are dealing with the fault of the event. Why the guy was after Alex is not yet that important. What the guy said during the event might make someone think he is just some crazy stalker that they never noticed. Neither he nor Alex say anything about indicating that Alex even knows the guy and he does not mention their past connection. Just that he wants to rape or kill her.
I need to catch up on this. I have no clue what you're talkin about. lol I'm still back where we first moved into that house and I'm on the best friend's solo path.
 
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I need to catch up on this. I have no clue what you're talkin about. lol I'm still back where we first moved into that house and I'm on the best friend's solo path.
Play Anh solo route first. If you don't want to fall to the same confusion. LOL
 

Jnx

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First off, I'll @ anyone that I want. Two, I don't shill for anyone. But your entire post earlier was total shit. Half of it was made up and the other half wasn't any better.

Again, replay the fuckin game and get the story of it right. Then come back and bitch. I have a couple bitches about it myself, but at least I know the fuckin story.
HERE YA GO MATE, WASTED, I MEAN, REPLAYED THIS GEM OF A GAME TO RE-REVIEW IT JUST FOR YOU
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My extremely valid review of the game (above) before it was unabandoned. As I see, the OP says ".9 only has changes to the harem end." So I'm already right in my assumptions. Any and every issue I have with the story is going to lazily be listed below because apparently my views are less valid than Dark Silence's. I for some reason am wrong. My opinion, imagine that. From someone with a 13 year old's xbox gamertag of a name. First thing you get, right away, is a credits scroll that stops you from getting to the game. Wow. Just what I want, to NOT play the game I started. Then a 'huge thanks' to BadMustard, a dev that makes subpar VNs and subpar coding advice. Cool. My hopes are high rereading this already. The art also starts out completely rough. Carol has blacked out eyes and the stiffest posing you've ever seen. And look at that. THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE STORY, the MAIN ISSUE I have is still the same. MC gets dumped because Julie lied and said MC was sleeping with her because the gf tormented her daily. And instead of MC noticing or doing ANYTHING to help his ONLY friend his entire fucked up life, what does he do? Disowns her, runs away, and never wants to speak to her again. No questioning it, no getting answers. While I UNDERSTAND him being mad and wanting time apart, he was literally beaten for this girl. But as soon as he can't have easy sex with his girlfriend, he gets pissy. What a knob. Right after you learn about what Julie did, you learn about the lengths MC went to for her, but he just suddenly cuts it off because he's hotheaded and stupid. You have no control over this and it is a poor experience.

Then the Robbie scene. "I didn't want to correct my mistake of taking away her tattoos and will never go back to update visuals because that takes actual effort." Thumbs up. And again everyone just says "You guys have always been together, why are you bing an idiot" MC just grumbles it all away to sleep with Robbie. Where her boob miraclously starts to float, by the way. And it's over as soon as he inserts, which I found funny. When MC cuts to the new school with Ahn, she immediately knows how tortured he is and they have a semi-cute scene flirting. But it still felt a little forced and rushed. So rushed that she sits down, he calls her cute, then leaves right away. The dialogue is also painfully stiff. Minimal contractions and poor sentence flow. And again, Ahn and Jane sit down with MC, and he gets up and leaves. Why do they think he's charming? They sit down "Hi." He says "Bye" and leaves. I'm swooning already... Most everyone has the blacked out sclera in their eyes too, it's kinda creepy. I also think Jake seems to change nationalities at least three times. Then the Alex-Julie scene. "Hey my new roommate is crying and upset, lemme kiss and try to finger her." Really? I like a little bit of the characters in this, but this one event seemed stupid and out of place. I will say, her reflection on this event is one of the few redeeming parts of the bland writing in this. And MOST of the dialogue in this is all just rehashing the thing that happened at the beginning of the story. And if I'm not mistaken, it leads up to ANOTHER big recap of the story. Why? We know what happened, it's the hook for this VN. By, what? Day 3 at college, MC and Ahn say they have stong feelings for each other but MC is also still in love with Julie. But that's okay, Ahn's asian harems exist for her.

Alex also spills the beans to MC about Julie's love for him, saying "She was scared it would drive you apart" But MC says "That would never do that" But look at the situation they are currently in? Driven apart because they won't have a conversation. It's like the writer didn't read what their own story is about. Julie and Alex's romance is pretty crap as well, birthed by sexual assault and gestated mid sentence like an afterthought. "Yeah I am pretty hungry. You know, you have a nice butt." That is VERBATIM. Suddenly they like each other? Why? You're also just flat out not allowed to not forgive Julie. Why include the options? You were forced to tell her no early on, now you don't get to have player choice at the LITERAL MOST IMPORTANT CHOICE. And right after this, nothing matters. They talked out their differences. Ahn and Julie make out and like each other too. MC also like Alex, and they all lived happily ever after. Ahn and Julie have known each other for about 10 minutes. Then they jump straight to sex, it's completely rushed, unnatural and the game should have ended after the sex scene as there's nowhere for anything to go. The sex/dirty talk is also painfully stiff. Just like Julie's claw machine legs as she mounts MC's dick, it's kinda funny actually. The only thing of not after chapter three is Alex joins the group with her semi-ham-fisted childhood trauma story and MC being so magical even gay girls want him. Wow. Julie and Carol recap the ENTIRE game up to that point as well. Because YOU the READER must have goldfish brain and not know what happened the last hour or two. Then you see the victory lap of the four of them being in a relationship. Ahn is nonexistent through most of it and MC ends up in a coma for however long being a valiant hero. Woohoo.

The English seems written by someone that speaks it, or at least someone that speaks English has something to do with the writing. The UI/UX is dead default, so lazy. The Art gets better, but the beginning is not great and it only gets a little better until the very end when the dev finally understands lighting. The Dialogue is not great, they just constantly talk about what started the whole mess. Sure, a vouple of the jokes and humor land, but it's still boring. The story is Julie lies out of love and MC is an idiot for the first half out of stubbornness. Then you "have fun" reading every character share their version of that same exact story. Because you the reader just didn't understand. So I have a negative opinion, at least they finished another ending, I guess.
 
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Old Grumpy Wolf

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HERE YA GO MATE, WASTED, I MEAN, REPLAYED THIS GEM OF A GAME TO RE-REVIEW IT JUST FOR YOU
Good on ya. Now you know the actual story and even covered the majority of issues. But unlike you, I'm only on the best friend's path, which is also all kinds of fucked up and at some point, I need to do like you did and catch up on this. But you only did this to push it in my face that you did replay it. I personally don't have that motivation.

But anyway, at least you know the actual story. Story-wise it's ok, but with a shit ton of inconsistencies that didn't make a lot of sense to me.
 

Vollezar

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Good on ya. Now you know the actual story and even covered the majority of issues. But unlike you, I'm only on the best friend's path, which is also all kinds of fucked up and at some point, I need to do like you did and catch up on this. But you only did this to push it in my face that you did replay it. I personally don't have that motivation.

But anyway, at least you know the actual story. Story-wise it's ok, but with a shit ton of inconsistencies that didn't make a lot of sense to me.
Can you point out inconsistencies?
 

Old Grumpy Wolf

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Can you point out inconsistencies?
Up to the point where I played, there were issues surroundin Julie and her dormmate. That whole kiss, which I stopped and then there was some more stuff at the house we moved into. Mainly all centerin around their relationship. Which shouldn't have been one. I know you rewrote some of that kiss, but it still said that it happened, when it never did. Then it said about how Julie liked the kiss and I just ended up droppin the game. That's why I said what I did above:

As I hope I'm the only one for her. :LOL:
 
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Up to the point where I played, there were issues surroundin Julie and her dormmate. That whole kiss, which I stopped and then there was some more stuff at the house we moved into. Mainly all centerin around their relationship. Which shouldn't have been one. I know you rewrote some of that kiss, but it still said that it happened, when it never did. Then it said about how Julie liked the kiss and I just ended up droppin the game. That's why I said what I did above:
The kiss does happen. What you are stopping is Alex going further. When that choice comes up Alex is already kissing Julie.
Admittedly, that was a mistake. I should have allowed players to stop the kiss before it began, just a few frames before. Didn't realize that so many people would have such a strong reaction to it.

And, YES. If you are on her solo path, it is just you and her. And maybe...








a few kids down the road. Hope you are horny enough and are eating enough protein, Daddy.
 
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The kiss does happen. What you are stopping is Alex going further. When that choice comes up Alex is already kissing Julie.
Admittedly, that was a mistake. I should have allowed players to stop the kiss before it began, just a few frames before. Didn't realize that so many people would have such a strong reaction to it.

And, YES. If you are on her solo path, it is just you and her. And maybe...








a few kids down the road. Hope you are horny enough and are eating enough protein, Daddy.
The kiss starts then I stop it. So, I guess half a kiss. But, then things are said like Julie sayin she liked it and then at the house more things were said. I don't remember it all. I'm old and my memory is fucked up. I am goin to restart at some point though. I'll report back on the things I sort of remember right now. If my memory is even half right.
 

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The Alex/Julie kiss wasn't the only issue for me. There's also the unavoidable Anh/Julie kiss if you're on both their routes so we have Julie kissing two different people before the MC even though she's supposed to be in love with him. Being forced to include Alex in the relationship was the final straw. I really don't like her and decided to just stop playing at that point. I might go back and play the solo routes but the "harem" route is a bust for me.
 
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The Alex/Julie kiss wasn't the only issue for me. There's also the unavoidable Anh/Julie kiss if you're on both their routes so we have Julie kissing two different people before the MC even though she's supposed to be in love with him. Being forced to include Alex in the relationship was the final straw. I really don't like her and decided to just stop playing at that point. I might go back and play the solo routes but the "harem" route is a bust for me.
There are three routes in the game without Alex.
 

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P.S. You are welcome to download it from here and play through it. Use the walkthrough to check all the routes. That was one thing I kind of messed up. Routing is not the easiest to figure out, because I had no idea how to do it right. Or use the Joker's mod to just go for the harem route.
Slowly playing through the game & taking notes. Wanted to get this off my chest:
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