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Yeah but we still have not explored all of the options (anal).
So if you ask me its not too wild. Not complaining just saying there is more to be done (hopefully).
Anal sex is not 'wild' it's something some like to do and others not do. Has zero indication on how energetic, passionate or 'raunchy' someone can or will get during sex.
 

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As a fellow Riley = Ghostraven believer, here is so more comparison pics

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They pretty much have the same profile. From the position of the chin, the lips and the nose.

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They have the exact same nose. And it's an unique kind of nose, that no one else in the game has. Same pronounced shadows on the side of the ridge, same tip and same nostril.

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This is both their first special render, "coincidentally" wearing similar makeup. Matching face shape. Matching eyebrows too.

And think about it, if Ghostraven wasn't someone we already knew, why would JDOR be so coy with hiding her face.
Plus, these are only the physical similarities they share, there are plenty of story hints that they're one person.

I know why some people don't think they look similar though. With DAZ models, the hair and the makeup makes a world of difference, far more-so than in real life.
 
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Anal sex is not 'wild' it's something some like to do and others not do. Has zero indication on how energetic, passionate or 'raunchy' someone can or will get during sex.
Thats true, around 40% of men like anal, then there are people who simply do not care and a number of people that find it as a huge turn off. Thats why anal should always be optional allowing people to opt out of it.

We all got our kinks and preferences and since this is fictional world where anything is possible it is good to have all possibilities covered.
 
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As a fellow Riley = Ghostraven believer, here is so more comparison pics

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They pretty much have the same profile. From the position of the chin, the lips and the nose.

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They have the exact same nose. And it's a unique kind of nose, that no one else in the game has. Same pronounced shadows on the side of the ridge, same tip and same nostril.

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This is both their first special render, "coincidentally" wearing similar makeup. Matching face shape. Matching eyebrows too.

And think about it, if Ghostraven wasn't someone we already knew, why would JDOR be so coy with hiding her face.
Plus, these are only the physical similarities they share, there are plenty of story hints that they're one person.

I know why some people don't think they look similar though. With DAZ models, the hair and the makeup makes a world of difference, far more-so than in real life.
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In theory, the facial recognition tools should ignore hair color and style when doing these matches. But it admittedly might not work quite as well with DAZ models since it is trained on actual people.

But, as a counter to my own argument, the mask Ghostraven wears seems to cause issues and we don't have a good front-on image of her face without it, so the facial recognition involving that should be taken with a grain of salt.
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In theory, the facial recognition tools should ignore hair color and style when doing these matches. But it admittedly might not work quite as well with DAZ models since it is trained on actual people.

But, as a counter-counterpoint to my own argument, the mask Ghostraven wears seems to cause issues and we don't have a good front-on image of her face without it, so the facial recognition involving that should be taken with a grain of salt.
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It's better to rely on your own eyes than to rely on AI in this case. I think it uses pattern recognition and that doesn't deal that well with obscured faces. Maybe staring at the comparison pictures for a few seconds then mentally transposing their faces onto each other would help, starting by the most distinctive feature, which is their nose. Also, they have the same slightly tanned skin. Looks obvious to me, but it might not me the same for others.

But the theory that they are the same person doesn't only rely on the physical similarities. It isn't the first time this topic came up and some other users have explained it in detail.
I'll try to sum up and add some things to the theory that Riley is Ghostraven.

The dev said in the dev notes that he foreshadows "a lot", so you have to play the game and see the theory through that lens.

- Riley's profile picture is her between two posters of Ghostraven behind her in the background.
- Might be a reach, but they both occupy the "R" on top of each other in the main menu
- Riley's room is violet, which is Ghostraven's color.
- She has a mysterious job, etc, etc. Pretty obvious she's using her "job" as a cover for something.
- Ghostraven, normally cold and collected, look very worried when rescuing MC in 0.1
- Ghost is kinda quick to accept MC as a trainee. Maybe because she knows him?
- Riley asks about Ghostraven still being MC's favorite when he comes back. Why did the dev make her ask?
- We're never privy to the one-on-one talks between Riley and the sisters (Ruth, Tanya). We only know what they say when MC is there.
- MC notes a couple of times how fast and athletic Riley is, how she is the most fit person he knows.
- When Ghost fights the giant on TV, MC takes a particular longer look at her. Could be foreshadowing about him feeling the familiarity.
- Riley is 23 and Tanya is 24. Tanya pretty much said they are the founders of the Sisterhood. So their similar age could hint at their prior friendship.
- If Riley is Ghostraven, she would have to wear a wig, so why not contacts too. Or instead of a wig, she uses the hairdresser power introduced in the 0.8 update.
- Most of the counter-arguments to this theory can be easily be explained plot-wise tbh. Voice, why she didn't stay with him, etc

And to go more meta:
- Would JDOR make Ghostraven's true identity a random person we don't know? It wouldn't be very satisfying if that's the case, would it? So, if Ghost is actually someone that was already introduced, there is someone that fits the bill more than most (Riley).
- Riley doesn't have a clear role in the story beyond being the "step-sister", unlike, say, Parker, if she's not Ghostraven.

If this doesn't convince, well, we'll find out in like two years.
 
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am probably still closer to the beginning of the game but wondering if my play through is messed up. It seems like it gets every one of my choices wrong. For instance, I chose the chick to play herself instead of the movie star but the super tells the stars I lied and chose her. Pretty much all of my choices are turning out that way. Is my playthrough bugged or the game choices supposed to be more railroaded?
 

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If she's Ghostraven, I feel like she probably needs to secretly have something like shapeshifting powers or something. Their body and facial features are pretty different, not to mention her heterochromia. Granted, that eye difference could be handled with something like contacts.
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kind of sad there isn't at least a pdf walkthrough for this game. for anyone saying it doesn't need one are dead wrong, in my opinion. at least for two choices that come to mind. the choice between Moonsong or staying "faithful" to Evelyn. also the choice presented by Isabella. which makes me question quite a few other choices I've made! but this is such a dope game that a 2nd or maybe even 3rd playthrough are not out the question! thank you Jacquesdor for making this game and 7767EAT for uploading it here!
I think one of the issues you have here (and I'm not saying it's not an issue other games have) is that consequences aren't immediately apparent, and are often buried under a couple of choices. Some have been mentioned in responses already, so I'll use the "simple" one as an example (still in a spoiler just in case): You can have sex with Cat, but to do that, you have an earlier choice of whether to give money to the homeless woman, and before that you have a choice of how much money to grab from Parker. There's also a choice tree when it comes to the actual scene with Cat, where I can't recall, but you might be able to influence the same outcome two different ways. It can get messy trying to cover that when the first choice comes up, so you probably end up with something like "Sex scene with Cat" or "Blowjob with Cat" in your walkthrough when given the first money choice, which doesn't tell the whole story and can still then be missed depending on later choices before you get to the Cat choice...

I think the two big choices you reference here are at least a lot more simple to detail in a walkthrough - it's the smaller choices that initially seem inconsequential that cause the problem!

As I said, it's an issue many walkthroughs might be faced with (and I do think it helps with the whole "choices have consequences" bit a lot more than the reason becoming immediately apparent does), but it can make it hard to compile a WT as you'd have to backtrack from the consequence, through two or three other choices, until you get to the first one, in order to give people the correct guidance!
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That sister, perhaps, but is it not possible that she can have another sister who does look like Parker? I'm not going to consider for myself whether Parker is related or not, except to say that the bit you mention doesn't have to exclude it as a possibility, and also, didn't the dev discourage the creation of an incest patch making Parker and Riley family because it would cause issues later in the story? Or was that only in relation to such a patch making Parker MC's mother, which would already have caused a continuity problem?
 
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I love the idea that Riley is Ghostraven, genuinely, because the implications are far bigger than "OMG Riley is Ghostraven". She's suppose to be vaccinated, she's the daughter of one of the people that created the vaccine, but she's actually part of the Sisterhood, the face of anyone with a power. This would also explain why she has to hide. Does Parker know? BUT, I'd say there is a 50/50 chance all the "evidence" that supports Riley being Ghostraven is a massive Red Herring. It's too easy. Anyone paying attention, myself included, was talking about them being the same person in the first couple of releases. Either way its a win for me because it's fun and interesting.
 

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I love the idea that Riley is Ghostraven, genuinely, because the implications are far bigger than "OMG Riley is Ghostraven". She's suppose to be vaccinated, she's the daughter of one of the people that created the vaccine, but she's actually part of the Sisterhood, the face of anyone with a power. This would also explain why she has to hide. Does Parker know? BUT, I'd say there is a 50/50 chance all the "evidence" that supports Riley being Ghostraven is a massive Red Herring. It's too easy. Anyone paying attention, myself included, was talking about them being the same person in the first couple of releases. Either way its a win for me because it's fun and interesting.
The fun part about theories, they keep us busy between chapters XD
 

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Another update with good writing and good sex, but I want to see the main plot moving, constant foreshadowings and power-ups are getting stale. I really hope we will finally see some story action in 0.9.

The cut from younger Evelyn being confused about being called an anal slut to modern-day Evelyn in full anal slut mode was chef's kiss.
 
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