HoM11

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I didn't see the MC and his girlfriend talk about their exploits and whether or not it's okay. So it is just cheating so far?
During their meeting at the airport they have the option to tell each other about their latest exploits. The responses show that this is normal for them and they are proud of each other.
 

Zara Scarlet

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Netorase is sharing am I correct. If the game is called Our Netorase Story why is there a cheating path. Isn't that the opposite.
Just because a game is called 'Our Netorase Story' doesn't mean it just has to include netorase. You can still play the game purely as a netorase one as the title suggests, so I don't get your objection?

Why does it have cheating? Well that's obvious. Anybody who has ever been in a netorase type relationship, knows that the temptation to cheat is ever present. Being encouraged to sleep with other people, often leads to situations where the line between loyalty and betrayal can easily become blurred, if you're not really careful. Because sexual attraction and lust doesn't really make allowances for existing relationships.

It's human nature for people to give in to their desires, even if that eventually leads to unwanted outcomes. People don't always do what they should, but what they want.
 
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MrOrwell

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Just because a game is called 'Our Netorase Story' doesn't mean it just has to include netorase. You can still play the game purely as a netorase one as the title suggests, so I don't get your objection?

Why does it have cheating? Well that's obvious. Anybody who has ever been in a netorase type relationship, knows that the temptation to cheat is ever present. Being encouraged to sleep with other people, often leads to situations where the line between loyalty and betrayal can easily become blurred, if you're not really careful. Because sexual attraction and lust doesn't really make allowances for existing relationships.

It's human nature for people to give in to their desires, even if that eventually leads to unwanted outcomes. People don't always do what they should, but what they want.
Have you been in such a relationship? Do you speak from experience? If you ARE speaking from experience, you're speaking from a bad experience, not a common one. My wife and I have been in various kinds of sharing relationships for more than 40 years. I spent 6 months out of state on a project one year. We each had regular "visitors" to help us pass the time. I knew about her visitors, she knew about mine. No cheating involved. She spent a couple of years travelling once a month for work. She had regular "friends" she would visit in various cities and I had a few local ladies who made sure I didn't get bored and there's been no cheating. Why cheat when you have permission?

Couples (and throuples, and poly groups) can and do thrive in all kinds of sharing relationships (no matter what label you put on them) and cheating is never a temptation. Just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 

rrr@rrr

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Have you been in such a relationship? Do you speak from experience? If you ARE speaking from experience, you're speaking from a bad experience, not a common one. My wife and I have been in various kinds of sharing relationships for more than 40 years. I spent 6 months out of state on a project one year. We each had regular "visitors" to help us pass the time. I knew about her visitors, she knew about mine. No cheating involved. She spent a couple of years travelling once a month for work. She had regular "friends" she would visit in various cities and I had a few local ladies who made sure I didn't get bored and there's been no cheating. Why cheat when you have permission?

Couples (and throuples, and poly groups) can and do thrive in all kinds of sharing relationships (no matter what label you put on them) and cheating is never a temptation. Just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
40 years of marriage is a long time and how many children do you have?
 

Zara Scarlet

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Have you been in such a relationship? Do you speak from experience? If you ARE speaking from experience, you're speaking from a bad experience, not a common one. My wife and I have been in various kinds of sharing relationships for more than 40 years. I spent 6 months out of state on a project one year. We each had regular "visitors" to help us pass the time. I knew about her visitors, she knew about mine. No cheating involved. She spent a couple of years travelling once a month for work. She had regular "friends" she would visit in various cities and I had a few local ladies who made sure I didn't get bored and there's been no cheating. Why cheat when you have permission?

Couples (and throuples, and poly groups) can and do thrive in all kinds of sharing relationships (no matter what label you put on them) and cheating is never a temptation. Just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Yes, I am speaking from experience. But it's only a bad experience, if you allow it to be.

You ask why would someone in an open relationship cheat? Well it's because, even if you allow your partner a lot of leeway to have sex with virtually anyone, in most open relationships there are still rules, and some situations that one partner might not be happy for the other to get involved with. And human nature being what it is, sometimes even when you're offered so much by your spouse, you still want it all. And that's when people give into temptation, and do those things anyway. Even though they know it's wrong, and ungrateful and a betrayal, they still do it, because cheating can make sex that much more of an intense experience. And some people become addicted to that feeling, even though they may hate themselves afterwards.

As I say though, it's only bad for the 'victim' if they allow it to be. And just as cheaters can get off on the kink of betraying their relationships, the cheated on, can also get off on it as well. Isn't that the true nature of netorare? In the game, Nathan suspects that Jenny may be cheating on him, and that excites him as well. He even wonders, if she finally realised that this was his secret fantasy, or whether she was just doing it for purely selfish reasons. Either way, doesn't appear to bother him unduly. The idea of his girlfriend being a slut behind his back, turns him on, as much as her being a slut for his benefit.
 
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Zara Scarlet

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40 years of marriage is a long time and how many children do you have?
I recently went to someone's funeral, and he was happily married for 70 years. Even today, plenty of people have successful relationships and are never tempted to stray. And these days, having a very long marriage, doesn't equate to having a lot of children. Even married women use birth control.

My great grandmother was married for nearly 40 years, and she had 14 children, plus two more who were stillborn. But her daughter (My Gran), was married for longer, but only had two. Both of them were equally poor, had similar relationships, to similar men, and yet had totally different outcomes. Though I suspect my Gran's experience of having to share her single bed with another sibling, and basically all the kids crammed into one small bedroom, may have played a part. Plus she was the oldest, and spent most of her teenage years, babysitting the youngest ones.
 

MrOrwell

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Yes, I am speaking from experience. But it's only a bad experience, if you allow it to be.
Sure.... you're allowed to be speaking from YOUR experience, and I'm sorry it was a bad one. My objection was when you said that the temptation to cheat was there for anybody, implying that there was a foregone conclusion.

Cheaters are going to cheat no matter what kind of relationship they are in, from monogamous to multi-person polycules.
 

Zara Scarlet

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Sure.... you're allowed to be speaking from YOUR experience, and I'm sorry it was a bad one. My objection was when you said that the temptation to cheat was there for anybody, implying that there was a foregone conclusion.

Cheaters are going to cheat no matter what kind of relationship they are in, from monogamous to multi-person polycules.
The temptation to cheat is there for everybody, regardless of how likely it is to happen. You might be 100 % certain in your own mind, that your partner would never cheat on you. But nothing is ever 100 % certain, there's always a possibility, however unlikely, that any given situation can happen. That doesn't make it a forgone conclusion, just a possibility

Cheaters only become cheaters, when they've actually cheated. Until then, they're just potential cheaters, and every single person in a relationship is in that category. Anybody who claims, there is no possibility of them cheating ever, in any circumstance, is likely lying to themselves. And that's especially so in an open relationship, where the people involved are constantly having inimate relations, with people other than their partners, and thus have a much greater probability of meeting that one person who would cause them to betray their existing partner. Because nobody is immune to temptation. Nobody is perfect enough, not to feel the pull of another, however rock solid they believe their relationship to be.

And if you're in an open relationship, which allows you to take things much further, than an ordinary person, without any comeback. The temptation to take it even further, perhaps overstepping the red lines that you've agreed, can be that much stronger. Because people in that situation, are much more likely to believe they can get away with it.

Now I'm not suggesting for a moment, that people in open relationships generally follow this pattern. I'm sure most of them dont, because as you rightly claim, they've already been given the keys to the kingdom, and most people are going to be satisfied with that. But there are always exceptions to every rule, and claiming that there aren't is naive.

I never said my experience was a bad one. That's what you suggested. I decided not to let it bother me. We we're already in an open relationship, so I decided to discard my red lines. I just never told her that I had. That way, she could carry on believing she was cheating, and get whatever intense thrill she was getting from it. And of course, feeling incredibly guilty everytime. But that's the price you pay.
 

MrOrwell

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The temptation to cheat is there for everybody, regardless of how likely it is to happen. You might be 100 % certain in your own mind, that your partner would never cheat on you. But nothing is ever 100 % certain, there's always a possibility, however unlikely, that any given situation can happen. That doesn't make it a forgone conclusion, just a possibility

Cheaters only become cheaters, when they've actually cheated. Until then, they're just potential cheaters, and every single person in a relationship is in that category. Anybody who claims, there is no possibility of them cheating ever, in any circumstance, is likely lying to themselves. And that's especially so in an open relationship, where the people involved are constantly having inimate relations, with people other than their partners, and thus have a much greater probability of meeting that one person who would cause them to betray their existing partner. Because nobody is immune to temptation. Nobody is perfect enough, not to feel the pull of another, however rock solid they believe their relationship to be.

And if you're in an open relationship, which allows you to take things much further, than an ordinary person, without any comeback. The temptation to take it even further, perhaps overstepping the red lines that you've agreed, can be that much stronger. Because people in that situation, are much more likely to believe they can get away with it.

Now I'm not suggesting for a moment, that people in open relationships generally follow this pattern. I'm sure most of them dont, because as you rightly claim, they've already been given the keys to the kingdom, and most people are going to be satisfied with that. But there are always exceptions to every rule, and claiming that there aren't is naive.

I never said my experience was a bad one. That's what you suggested. I decided not to let it bother me. We we're already in an open relationship, so I decided to discard my red lines. I just never told her that I had. That way, she could carry on believing she was cheating, and get whatever intense thrill she was getting from it. And of course, feeling incredibly guilty everytime. But that's the price you pay.
I apologize. I misread and misinterpreted your statement about "bad experience."

Yes, there are always exceptions. I never claimed that there weren't.

On the other hand, the way YOU phrased it implied that there WERE no exceptions.

"Anybody who has ever been in a netorase type relationship, knows that the temptation to cheat is ever present. "

That's 100% bullshit. You don't speak for everyone who has ever been in a netorase relationship. Some people will cheat on their partners no matter what... some people will cheat at solitaire no matter what. Some people won't even recognize the "temptation" because it's a circumstance they even care about.

Temptation only exists for a person if they have the mindset to be tempted. Jealousy only exists for a person if they have the mindset to be jealous.

I think the point that isn't getting across is that you claim in the quote above that your statement is totally valid for everyone in those circumstances. It's not. It might be valid for you, but it's not universal.
 

Dealbreaker

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Temptation only exists for a person if they have the mindset to be tempted. Jealousy only exists for a person if they have the mindset to be jealous.
This is ridiculous. Would you say the same for hunger and thirst? Where does this self-righteousness stop for you? Those (sexual feelings and urges) are indeed universal human feelings, nobody is A PRIORI immune. What you call "mindset" is not absolute immunity, like everything human it is frail and can break down, it depends on discipline, morals, training, opportunity.
 

Zara Scarlet

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I apologize. I misread and misinterpreted your statement about "bad experience."

Yes, there are always exceptions. I never claimed that there weren't.

On the other hand, the way YOU phrased it implied that there WERE no exceptions.

"Anybody who has ever been in a netorase type relationship, knows that the temptation to cheat is ever present. "

That's 100% bullshit. You don't speak for everyone who has ever been in a netorase relationship. Some people will cheat on their partners no matter what... some people will cheat at solitaire no matter what. Some people won't even recognize the "temptation" because it's a circumstance they even care about.

Temptation only exists for a person if they have the mindset to be tempted. Jealousy only exists for a person if they have the mindset to be jealous.

I think the point that isn't getting across is that you claim in the quote above that your statement is totally valid for everyone in those circumstances. It's not. It might be valid for you, but it's not universal.
I never said all partners are going to cheat, just that they possibly could. Temptation is not the same as actually doing it. Even the most fleeting thought, is temptation. Are you claiming it never crossed your mind, to do something your partner wouldn't like, on any occasion? Because it's human nature to have those thoughts, even if you never seriously consider it.

You're the person who seems to believe, that temptation equates to someone cheating, not me. Temptation is merely a possibility, that some of us succumb to, and some of us don't. And anyone who claims that they dont have it, is a liar. Even Jesus Christ was tempted, and nobody thinks he was a bad guy. Because in the end, he resisted his temptation. If you never get tempted, gosh you're even more perfect than Jesus was. Maybe Christians should worship you instead?

I've never cheated on anyone, but I'm not arrogant enough to claim it never crossed my mind, at any time. Just imagining having sex with some hot guy or girl, you see on the street or at work is temptation. But it's only cheating, if you do anything about it. Which I'm sure, most people in open relationships dont, as you suggest. And I know perfectly well why, because I had so many different possibilities, within the framework me and my girlfriend decided. But when the act of cheating itself, becomes what you really desire. Then the only way you can achieve that, is by cheating. There's no other option.

Now I'm not claiming that as a reasonable option. Just saying that from the perspective of the cheater, that's the way they view it. And all your reasons why it can never happen in an open relationship, is totally ignoring that. From your perspective and mine for that matter, it's unreasonable, but from there's it's not.
 
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