VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[JohnnyKiss]

Well last update took half a year and to be honest there wasn't much content

The last update was hyped up so much about how complex it was and when it finally was released, unfinished mind you, there really wasn't anything too complex about it.

- Lena and Ian being in relationship or not made for near identical routes with the only difference being that they can have threesome with other people if they weren't committed.

- Lena and Ian's story had three consistent branches between Ian, Mike or Stan. And what little scenes with other people they had was pretty removed from impacting the couple (Ian and Cindy for example really didn't make for a big difference).

- Lena's Boss content was cut out and EvaKiss talked about a "really complex scene" involving Ian and his work which is nowhere to be found in the game.

 

[BigJohn99]

Well last update took half a year and to be honest there wasn't much content

i have a feeling the next post will be about the release date which probably will be end of may

 

[RenGames69]

Someone please show me all these games that have more frequent updates with the same volume of content and unique routes I beg

Lisa by PaleGrass. Personally it takes ORS place for me. I liked GGGB from Eva more. GGGB remake with ORS art would be sweet.

 

[Shadowndev99]

Lisa by PaleGrass. Personally it takes ORS place for me. I liked GGGB from Eva more. GGGB remake with ORS art would be sweet.

if there will be GGG remake or remaster or rewhatever I think the graphics last things should be works on as good story game and have alot of good points and ideas the story first things to be better and add the missing parts when I read it feel there things missing and add more year after the couple ending for example Jessica how she will end up in ORS or the relationship fall ...etc anyway I am really will give full support if someone start working on that and I dont want eva work on it best she should continue on ORS because things become takes longer and longer with every release... only eva give guides to who she trust who will work on that project .

 

[lucadiadis]

Four Weddings and a Funeral? The 1994 movie staring Hugh Grant.

Bingo

 

[Blurpee69]

if there will be GGG remake or remaster or rewhatever I think the graphics last things should be works on as good story game and have alot of good points and ideas the story first things to be better and add the missing parts when I read it feel there things missing and add more year after the couple ending for example Jessica how she will end up in ORS or the relationship fall ...etc anyway I am really will give full support if someone start working on that and I dont want eva work on it best she should continue on ORS because things become takes longer and longer with every release... only eva give guides to who she trust who will work on that project .

Where is your confusion with Jess? All three of her outcomes in ORS can be explained by an ending in GGGB.

Bad Jess in ORS never was "saved" by Ash in GGGB, the bad ending for Jess shows that she isn't able to overcome her lifestyle and she continues to use sex to get by. Which is why Ian can find porn of her.

Good Jess has two branches. Either she continues having a relationship with Ash, or if Ash and Eva hooked up or Eva gets corrupted leaving Dave available, Jess enters a relationship with him. It's established in all playthroughs that Jess has a thing for Dave because he is an artist and she shares that in common with him. Which also brings us to why Jess is a tattoo artist in ORS regardless of if she is good or bad, because it's something she is passionate about.

 

[fatpussy123]

Lisa by PaleGrass. Personally it takes ORS place for me. I liked GGGB from Eva more. GGGB remake with ORS art would be sweet.

Lisa is a great game, but it does not have half the amount of content in ORS. You can argue that it matches it in quality, but no way in number of routes/scenes

 

[balvenie1401]

You can argue that it matches it in quality..

Yes, you could also argue that the Earth is flat but you'd be just as wrong..

 

[fatpussy123]

Yes, you could also argue that the Earth is flat but you'd be just as wrong..

Dawg I never said I agreed or disagreed. My original challenge was for someone to show me a game with a similar amount of content, but higher update frequency. I asked this because everybody seems to want to cry about Eva Kiss like she is one of the laziest devs on the site, all because one update took too long (the remaster, which DID take too long). The only answer I've seen is Lisa, which is a great game, but definitely does not have as many routes and unique scenes as ORS. I also don't think it is that much more frequent in terms of updates.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Lisa by PaleGrass. Personally it takes ORS place for me. I liked GGGB from Eva more. GGGB remake with ORS art would be sweet.

I think I'm in minority here who thinks ORS is by far better than GGGB. Obviously, the art is way better but I also think the writing for ORS is far superior. In GGGB, Ashley felt like a vehicle without personality that you could drive through whichever fetish you want. Lena on the other hand feels like an actual character which helps with emersion a lot. You can actually see the road which led Lena to her current choices of action while with Ashley, the choices would be something like "Yeah he is hot" and "No he isn't". It's actually what I think makes EvaKiss take 7 months for an update.

 

[camube]

Lisa by PaleGrass. Personally it takes ORS place for me. I liked GGGB from Eva more. GGGB remake with ORS art would be sweet.

can RPGM games be played with a controller? I'm not really a fan of playing with keyboard and i once asked on an rpgm thread (alansya chronicles), but didn't get an answer

 

[Blurpee69]

I think I'm in minority here who thinks ORS is by far better than GGGB. Obviously, the art is way better but I also think the writing for ORS is far superior. In GGGB, Ashley felt like a vehicle without personality that you could drive through whichever fetish you want. Lena on the other hand feels like an actual character which helps with emersion a lot. You can actually see the road which led Lena to her current choices of action while with Ashley, the choices would be something like "Yeah he is hot" and "No he isn't". It's actually what I think makes EvaKiss take 7 months for an update.

I'm with you I think ORS is a better story, and for me story is king. When I see people complain about ORS in comparison to GGGB, I always like to remind them that GGGB is finished and probably for many people here, never had to wait through updates. ORS is only halfway through, no one know where the story is leading, or how some of these decisions will play out. It's not a fair comparison.

With that being said though, I do still enjoy GGGB, and as I've said earlier it's probably my 3rd favorite game on this site. When it's all said and done however I think I'll end up enjoying ORS more in the end.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

can RPGM games be played with a controller? I'm not really a fan of playing with keyboard and i once asked on an rpgm thread (alansya chronicles), but didn't get an answer

I know what you mean. I once asked a traffic light how I could contest a parking ticket, but they wouldn't answer me so I went to Dairy Queen. They didn't know either, but I got a Dilly Bar.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

no ghetto bullshit, no cliche black career (like rapper/gang member/basketball player etc.), no monstrous sized dick and no "blacked" personality (AYO THEM WHYTE GIRLS DO BE KINDA BAD THO).

Yeah. Despite all that, I still liked him too.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I'm with you I think ORS is a better story, and for me story is king. When I see people complain about ORS in comparison to GGGB, I always like to remind them that GGGB is finished and probably for many people here, never had to wait through updates. ORS is only halfway through, no one know where the story is leading, or how some of these decisions will play out. It's not a fair comparison.

With that being said though, I do still enjoy GGGB, and as I've said earlier it's probably my 3rd favorite game on this site. When it's all said and done however I think I'll end up enjoying ORS more in the end.

The beginning of GGGB: "Hello. I am the main character you will be playing. This is my life. I will now rattle on through exposition yadayadayadayadayada." Very natural. Writing and art a step up in ORS for sure. I think slower release speed and less extreme sex & ramp-ups in ORS are the main gripes with most people.

 

[SerHawkes]

The Story is average, if not below average. The characters are hit and miss in terms of their depths, with inconsistancy and hypocritical neuances with certain fetish characters like Jeremy, who adds nothing to the story other than being a Small Black Cock kink. (Because Eva SO VERY MUCH LOVES THAT SORT OF THING.)

Unasked for reworks that don't add or change much, constant negliect of content for Ivy, who just NOW, ten chapters in and 3 laughable reworks of a bar scene later, is just now getting some Ian face time, not to mention a 'update' that did nothing for one character in particular and kept him the same.

In short: Eva bit off more than she could chew and overall story and characters have suffered for it when she pushs herself to meet deadlines, rather than take her time and work it all out at a slowly, leisurely pace.

 

[Gato21]

The beginning of GGGB: "Hello. I am the main character you will be playing. This is my life. I will now rattle on through exposition yadayadayadayadayada." Very natural. Writing and art a step up in ORS for sure. I think slower release speed and less extreme sex & ramp-ups in ORS are the main gripes with most people.

That and the rewrite, but I suppose you could fold that into slower release speed. Personally, I like the more "realistic" writing and inter-character dynamics of ORS. It's quite an ambitious game with two MC's, multiple branching, artwork, etc. One would think people would also take that into account when they criticize her.

The Story is average, if not below average. The characters are hit and miss in terms of their depths, with inconsistancy and hypocritical neuances with certain fetish characters like Jeremy, who adds nothing to the story other than being a Small Black Cock kink. (Because Eva SO VERY MUCH LOVES THAT SORT OF THING.)

Unasked for reworks that don't add or change much, constant negliect of content for Ivy, who just NOW, ten chapters in and 3 laughable reworks of a bar scene later, is just now getting some Ian face time, not to mention a 'update' that did nothing for one character in particular and kept him the same.

In short: Eva bit off more than she could chew and overall story and characters have suffered for it when she pushs herself to meet deadlines, rather than take her time and work it all out at a slowly, leisurely pace.

Ok SerHawkes, I get that you are miffed about Ivy; I am kind of too, but to say the story is average to below average, really? Especially with all the unmitigated crap shovelware on this site?

 

[SerHawkes]

Especially with all the unmitigated crap shovelware on this site?

Lets see: A set of antagonists that aren't all that thrilling and bland. You have Seymour, who wants to control Lena and make her a sex slave. How is that interesting? You have Axel, who is also obsessed with Lena and can't take a fucking hint and is apparently involved every fucking where. Do we really need Axel to be at a gay bar next? Jeremy is just a BBC kink and has no depth to him at all whatsoeer. Stan is... Stan. And yet the revolving drama each chapter is: Will Lena be able to afford anything while slutting it up or not? Will Ian not get cucked and become the writer he wants to be? Will Stan die in a fiery crash and be replaced?

And sure, I'm bitter and jaded as fuck about Ivy-Ian, yet the writer in me screams 'Eva could do better'. Less kink/fetish crap, more character building. Make Jeremy a decent guy instead of being the Tyrone-lite and wanna be player. Add some depth and delve into characters and their relationships such as Jeremy and Louise and have Lena try to mediate that rathr than gloss over it and reward Jeremy over and over again without little to no punishment. Not to mention Lena more or less being able to fuck around while still being into Ian and have no punishment to speak of but if Ian does it's grounds for murder. Expand on Perry's or Emma's or Cherry's or whoevers passions and interests.

So for me, yeah the story is below average and isn't interesting and lack creative 'villains'.

 

[Gato21]

Lets see: A set of antagonists that aren't all that thrilling and bland. You have Seymour, who wants to control Lena and make her a sex slave. How is that interesting? You have Axel, who is also obsessed with Lena and can't take a fucking hint and is apparently involved every fucking where. Do we really need Axel to be at a gay bar next? Jeremy is just a BBC kink and has no depth to him at all whatsoeer. Stan is... Stan. And yet the revolving drama each chapter is: Will Lena be able to afford anything while slutting it up or not? Will Ian not get cucked and become the writer he wants to be? Will Stan die in a fiery crash and be replaced?

And sure, I'm bitter and jaded as fuck about Ivy-Ian, yet the writer in me screams 'Eva could do better'. Less kink/fetish crap, more character building. Make Jeremy a decent guy instead of being the Tyrone-lite and wanna be player. Add some depth and delve into characters and their relationships such as Jeremy and Louise and have Lena try to mediate that rathr than gloss over it and reward Jeremy over and over again without little to no punishment. Not to mention Lena more or less being able to fuck around while still being into Ian and have no punishment to speak of but if Ian does it's grounds for murder. Expand on Perry's or Emma's or Cherry's or whoevers passions and interests.

So for me, yeah the story is below average and isn't interesting and lack creative 'villains'.

Ok, let's assume you are right, although I would still contend you on multiple points, you are still holding Eva at a higher standard than most writers on this site. Her not meeting this standard doesn't make her game average or below, it's still better writing than the majority of the games on this site, making it de-facto above average.

 

[SerHawkes]

Ok, let's assume you are right, although I would still contend you on multiple points, you are still holding Eva at a higher standard than most writers on this site. Her not meeting this standard doesn't make her game average or below, it's still better writing than the majority of the games on this site, making it de-facto above average.

Entirely debateable, given the flood of shit/fetish games and no writing talent, sure.