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Considering how shell-shocked Ian is whenever Gillian is brought up, the game could include status inflictions or stat reductions during the fight. Like losing a will point, having less atletics during the battle, starting the battle with less stamina and so on.
Thats actually a good idea,make him sob and shake in anger too,the whole cuckery experience.
Im not into that stuff through,i dont know just saying:whistle:
 

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And now for something completely different, in the game's master script:
Python:
default ian_emma_love = 0                 # Ian corresponds Emma's feelings (2= make love, accept feelings / 1= talk feelings / 0.5= call her out)
Emma's love route confirmed :whistle:
Right now Emma is a fun fuck for me, I also enjoy the kinky side of doing it all behind Perry's back. But I really think she is a cool chick and after few updates when there is more possibilities for her I will totally make Emma simp playthrough. She will be my nasty Queen!
 
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PilotLara one more minor thing that's potentially an error:
Python:
            if ian_perry > 4:
                p "You mean being haughty and s--{w=0.5}stuck up?"
                i "I mean having some self-respect and discipline."
                i "Unlike you, I don't need to fuel every minute of my existence."
                p "I d--{w=0.5}don't need it either, I just enjoy having some b--{w=0.5}beer with my friends."
                i "I'm sure you do."
            else:
                if ian_athletics < 8:
                    call xp_up ('athletics') from _call_xp_up_1054
                p "P--{w=0.5}probably... but I'm on holidays with my friends, so beer it is."
Given how much more confrontational the first path is, with people making angry faces and all, it'd seem that the condition here should be reversed, i.e. it'd fire if ian_perry < 4

edit: another small error
Python:
        else: # v11_louise_3some but Ian didn't flirt
            lo_p "Have you read this book?"
//...
            jump v12louisetextend
On this path the game doesn't hide Louise's selfie after the conversation is over. It remains on screen during convo with Lena and until scene switch.
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edit2: For this branching:
Python:
    if ian_charisma < 8 and ian_lust < 8:
        menu:
            "{image=icon_will.webp}Degrade Emma" if ian_will > 0:
//...
    menu:
        "{image=icon_charisma.webp}+{image=icon_lust.webp}Degrade Emma" if ian_charisma > 7 and ian_lust > 7:
The first path check with the will point cost should be ian_charisma < 8 or ian_lust < 8 (not and) because the "free" alternative requires both attributes to be at 8+ so if even one of them is lower the "free" path becomes blocked.
 
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My Ian is actually quite similar, in the sense he's basically just with Lena (and while he took interest in Cindy they've stopped it when Cindy had regrets afterwards) Still, he's at 7/nearly 8 Lust. Although he hooked up with Cherry early on, so that probably helped.
Gave it a go (Ian/Cindy, Lena/no one but stalkfap and modeling Seymour and Stan) and got 8/8/8/7. Still flirted mildy with some like Ivy, adding her peoplegram and getting Lenas stalkfap got a bunch of lust points. Also, Cindy obviously gave points throughout the game. So 6 lust is more likely if you don't enter multiple character routes but still masturbate and chose the lustful options whenever asked about relationships etc. If you don't do that either, you likely get 4-5 lust.
 
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And now for something completely different, in the game's master script:
Python:
default ian_emma_love = 0                 # Ian corresponds Emma's feelings (2= make love, accept feelings / 1= talk feelings / 0.5= call her out)
Emma's love route confirmed :whistle:
Jeremy got one too I guess? Atleast that what it seems after club scene in chapter 11 epilogue. You get option to Kiss Jeremy with heart now. I don't remember if there were any such(with heart) choices for him before.
 

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Jeremy got one too I guess? Atleast that what it seems after club scene in chapter 11 epilogue. You get option to Kiss Jeremy with heart now. I don't remember if there were any such(with heart) choices for him before.
This may be a potential beginning of one, but at least for now there isn't such thing in the code. The game simply records this as v11_jeremy_kiss and nothing more.

It's also not really new option, or at least it was present in earlier Ch.12 build.
 
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Gave it a go (Ian/Cindy, Lena/no one but stalkfap and modeling Seymour and Stan) and got 8/8/8/7. Still flirted mildy with some like Ivy, adding her peoplegram and getting Lenas stalkfap got a bunch of lust points. Also, Cindy obviously gave points throughout the game. So 6 lust is more likely if you don't enter multiple character routes but still masturbate and chose the lustful options whenever asked about relationships etc. If you don't do that either, you likely get 4-5 lust.
Honestly, I've just been going into the code each update and reducing the lust requirements to 5 for all of Ian's sexual options. The design is severely limiting, assuming an Ian who is simply not sleeping around or flirting with everything with tits and a pulse at this stage or making a corny sex joke over another speech option at every opportunity just doesn't have that much lust in him. Some of the kinkiest people & most deviant pervs aren't always the most outward with it at every point in time. The game weighs some choices way too heavily & others not heavily enough imo. Some options like Athletics are weighed more evenly & make sense, but the balancing seems off in particular for the lust stat or just unnecessarily limiting.

Run for reference: All the porn access & shared pics possible + threesome with Lena & whatsherface. Just not choosing every corny option possible to compare his penis to a pool cue when talking with friends + not stepping out of bounds with other girls while dating a specific one, other than oggling photos & the occasional comment.
 
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Some options like Athletics are weighed more evenly & make sense, but the balancing seems off in particular for the lust stat or just unnecessarily limiting.
I'd say this isn't necessarily something bad -- it's okay for some options not to be available for some MCs. Otherwise there's zero point in having stat requirements for such options in the first place, if any MC regardless of past choices can select any and either of them.
 

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Honestly, I've just been going into the code each update and reducing the lust requirements to 5 for all of Ian's sexual options. The design is severely limiting, assuming an Ian who is simply not sleeping around or flirting with everything with tits and a pulse at this stage or making a corny sex joke over another speech option at every opportunity just doesn't have that much lust in him. Some of the kinkiest people & most deviant pervs aren't always the most outward with it at every point in time. The game weighs some choices way too heavily & others not heavily enough imo. Some options like Athletics are weighed more evenly & make sense, but the balancing seems off in particular for the lust stat or just unnecessarily limiting.
He couldn't eat out Cindys pussy the second time in chapter 10. He could slap her hard in chapter 12, but as elaborated, he did flirt heavily with other women and had Lena stalkfap. If Ian would be 100% faithful towards one woman, he is unlikely to fully get raunchy with her.

9 lust: Manwhore, fuck everything
8 lust: At least two relationships, always flirt/think about sex
7 lust: At least one relationship, always flirt/think about sex
6 lust: One relationship or always flirt/think about sex
 

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This may be a potential beginning of one, but at least for now there isn't such thing in the code. The game simply records this as v11_jeremy_kiss and nothing more.

It's also not really new option, or at least it was present in earlier Ch.12 build.
Sad, I hope he does get one so that I can cuck that hypocrite ass with Marcel. I gave that pos a chance, betrayed and kept his secret from Louise, helped him with Ivy, only for him to rat Lena to Ian first chance he got even though Ian treated him like shit in my playthrough.
Imo relationship stat should have played major role there, Idk why Eva didn't use it. I mean what's the point of having relationship stat if the game isn't even going to use it?
 
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I'd say this isn't necessarily something bad -- it's okay for some options not to be available for some MCs. Otherwise there's zero point in having stat requirements for such options in the first place, if any MC regardless of past choices can select any and either of them.
He couldn't eat out Cindys pussy the second time in chapter 10. He could slap her hard in chapter 12, but as elaborated, he did flirt heavily with other women and had Lena stalkfap. If Ian would be 100% faithful towards one woman, he is unlikely to fully get raunchy with her.

9 lust: Manwhore, fuck everything
8 lust: At least two relationships, always flirt/think about sex
7 lust: At least one relationship, always flirt/think about sex
6 lust: One relationship or always flirt/think about sex
Imo, it is bad for a sex game highly focused on the choose-your-own element, since the sex is a huge part of the point. It'll be less noticeable depending on what your path preferences are, which is likely why it doesn't bother you (to ffive specifically). But the point of design in the end is to increase enjoyment. I can absolutely see Charisma, Charm, Athletics serve their purpose for the other elements. But in the end, I see those things as there to add necessary immersion in what is, after all, a sex AVN where you want to get the character & personality you've formed into certain sexual situations. When those sexual situations are present already, on your specific path, and only grayed out because you don't imagine your character would say "I'd like to stick my hole-in-one, yuk yuk" while playing golf, I just find that silly and poorly thought out, really. Not serving much purpose.

These are more my thoughts on design in general & what the end goal is. An AVN, especially in respect to the "A", is quite different than a platformer.

Other part is, I don't believe it reflects real life very well at all either.
 

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Imo relationship stat should have played major role there, Idk why Eva didn't use it. I mean what's the point of having relationship stat if the game isn't even going to use it?
Well, the stat is used for quite a few things. In this particular example, Ian's options how to react to news about Lena hinge on how well he gets along with Jeremy. If their relationship is low then they can have a fight over it, and for Ian to be grateful about the news their relationship needs to be high.
 
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Imo, it is bad for a sex game highly focused on the choose-your-own element, since the sex is a huge part of the point.
I guess it then comes down to difference in opinions, but fortunately the game allows you to pick the mode where you're guaranteed to pass all checks and don't have to worry about it... so it's really not much of an issue?

Also. for the record, both my Ian and Lena couldn't take a few Lust options because it was too low for them. It didn't bother me because that was just something i viewed in line with their respective characters, not because i didn't encounter it.
 
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