VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[SearingFive]

There's definitely that kind of a vibe when Ivy makes her move on Lena when they're at Ivy's place. Like she's had some feelings for Lena ever since their high school "experimenting together" times. Maybe that's a part of why she isn't interested in finding anyone else and prefers to keep things casual.

Yeah, their dynamic changes as per Lena's monologue.

 

[ffive]

Yeah, their dynamic changes as per Lena's monologue.

It's official then: Ivy has kept herself a virgin for Lena.

 

[Blurpee69]

It's official then: Ivy has kept herself a virgin for Lena.

SerHawkes close your eyes. You don't want to see this.

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

It's official then: Ivy has kept herself a virgin for Lena.

That’s why Ivy was so keen on corrupting Holly so she can remain the most chaste person in Lena’s life.

 

[yuvce]

Sometimes I feel like Ivy is in love with Lena and is using her charms on the partner that Lena likes and catch them pants down and tell Lena that she is what Lena needs in her life, the rests are trash.

Well, considering they have a certain mutual acquaintance, can you blame her?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

If they have a good relationship I can see him wanting her to delete stalkfap because he has plans to make her into a high-class posh model for the likes of Agnes' jewelry line and he feels like she is too good to be making porn for the masses. If they don't have a good relationship it's another way to try and control how she makes money in order to keep her dependent on him/he doesn't want to share his muse.

Seymour already has asked her to delete Stalkfap and she did. There's a scene during the last update, where Ian checks her Stalkfap account, and is surprised to see that it no longer exists. If he initially objected to it ( and they're in a relationship) this is a pleasant surprise for him, and he wrongly assumes that she did it just to please him.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Sometimes I feel like Ivy is in love with Lena and is using her charms on the partner that Lena likes and catch them pants down and tell Lena that she is what Lena needs in her life, the rests are trash.

If Ivy loves anyone, it's Lena. I think she mistrusts love. We don't know an awful lot about Ivy's background, but I suspect her relationship with her family was severely lacking and Lena is now to all intents and purposes her family. I do think she has deep feelings for Lena, but she's too scared to voice them. Perhaps she never will.

I think Ivy would be quite willing to share Lena, with whoever else she might be in love with. She just wants to be a big part of Lena's life, even if that just means being her friend. Ivy is very obviously bisexual, but possibly with a preference for women. I think she's deduced that Lena, is very unsure about what she wants out of life or her relationships, and that's why she's advising Lena not to get too involved with people. But deep down, Ivy knows exactly what she wants, she just has to work out a way to achieve it. And perhaps Lena is one of things, that she wants? I'm guessing that at least on one route, she'll eventually get her wish.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

If Ivy loves anyone, it's Lena. I think she mistrusts love. We don't know an awful lot about Ivy's background, but I suspect her relationship with her family was severely lacking and Lena is now to all intents and purposes her family. I do think she has deep feelings for Lena, but she's too scared to voice them. Perhaps she never will.

I think Ivy would be quite willing to share Lena, with whoever else she might be in love with. She just wants to be a big part of Lena's life, even if that just means being her friend. Ivy is very obviously bisexual, but possibly with a preference for women. I think she's deduced that Lena, is very unsure about what she wants out of life or her relationships, and that's why she's advising Lena not to get too involved with people. But deep down, Ivy knows exactly what she wants, she just has to work out a way to achieve it. And perhaps Lena is one of things, that she wants? I'm guessing that at least on one route, she'll eventually get her wish.

I get the same vibe when she was talking about finding the right person. I can't remember exact words but I think Lena said finding the right man and Ivy responded with finding the right person. Anyways, I think she was talking about Lena when she said that. Though any MC is fair game for Ivy whether it be Ian or Lena or both together. Add Holly to the trio and any combination works for me. Ian/Holly-Lena/Ivy or Ian/Ivy-Lena/Holly or Ian/Lena-Ivy/Holly or all 4 together.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I get the same vibe when she was talking about finding the right person. I can't remember exact words but I think Lena said finding the right man and Ivy responded with finding the right person. Anyways, I think she was talking about Lena when she said that. Though any MC is fair game for Ivy whether it be Ian or Lena or both together. Add Holly to the trio and any combination works for me. Ian/Holly-Lena/Ivy or Ian/Ivy-Lena/Holly or Ian/Lena-Ivy/Holly or all 4 together.

I think both Ian and Lena, will eventually have the opportunity to end up with a lot of people, or with nobody. If GGGB proves anything, it's that Eva is willing to entertain and accomodate virtually any possibility. So whatever path you prefer, for these characters, and probably the other main characters, you'll likely end up happy eventually.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I want a Holly harem which includes Ian,Lena,Emma and Ivy. Also Louise as a pet.

If Holly continues on her present rapid trajectory on her 'slut' path, she may even end up as the leader of the Ivy/Lena/Holly 'slut' cabal? I think she could totally transform into a completely badass girl. So perhaps anything is possible?

I certainly can't wait for Ian's reaction, if she turns up one day with big breast implants, blonde hair and several tattoos and piercings? Holly is possibly the equivalent of Eva in GGGB, and on several paths Eva's transformation was almost as dramatic as Ashley's. So there is precedent in EK's games, for a secondary character, getting a complete personality makeover.

 

[romayagidiyom]

is there a version uploaded after may 5 ?

 

[Turret]

You keep going on about a Seymour father/daughter branch, as if it's going to happen. There's no evidence whatsoever that any such storyline is likely. That's just your theory and nothing more. If there's any kind of father/daughter storyline, it's far more likely to revolve around her existing stepfather. In fact, that's what Eva has suggested in the past.

What are you talking about? I always said Seymour being Lena´s dad is a possibility, not a certainty! As for Eva saying that it would revolve around her stepdad: We all have learned over the years of development of ORS, that Eva says much when the day is long, meaning that she has changed quite a bit, like closing off paths, opening others and sometimes suddenly as well. If a path will revolve around Lena´s Dad, be it Seymour or her Stepdad, this path has to come in the future and who knows in what way, if it does at all..

You say it's path dependant but it isn't. He doesn't blackmail her, but he does blackmail the people who would have employed her otherwise. Danny pretty much admits this, if Lena questions him more thoroughly. And that shows he is willing to blackmail her on both paths, if necessary. If she agrees to his proposal, then he doesn't need to do it. But that doesn't mean that he's somehow a better person on that route than the other.

Emma is one of the nicest characters in this game. If you don't get that, you really are missing the point. She is a really good person, and Seymour is really bad one. And it doesn't matter what route you follow, he's still going to be the game's main villain.

Emma and Seymour are like they are because EK paints them at times really blatantly. I know that Emma is meant to be nice and Seymour as the main antagonist.
But you miss the point in that I had the distinct displeasure to see what activists in the vein of Emma are like in real life! If such activists gain a measure of power, e.g. in a city council, up to half of them get mostly interested grabbing as much perks as they can, with unabashed glee, but still preaching water and drinking wine themselves. (At least with these bigots you sometimes can make compromises to get something done), the other half are realityblind boneheads, completely useless, because these stupid fucks cannot accept realitiy. A tiny minority of activists, the size of a rounding error, are those who are true to their ideals, but also savvy enough to see that you have to work and compromise with others to get something done.

With this real life experience in the back of memories, it totally scratched me the wrong way when we learned that Emma went by gutfeeling only(!) and has no evidence, but e.g. threw beer on Seymour. While Emma´s feeling might be right with Seymour (since EK decided to make him the main antagonist), a person is never always right going by gutfeeling alone.
In another case some day Emma could be seriously wrong, but still will treat that person like she does Seymour, since "gutfeeling". No thanks! But since I am a nice guy, my Ian tries to couple Emma and Perry up, they deserve each other.

 

[Andrea9999]

If they have a good relationship I can see him wanting her to delete stalkfap because he has plans to make her into a high-class posh model for the likes of Agnes' jewelry line and he feels like she is too good to be making porn for the masses. If they don't have a good relationship it's another way to try and control how she makes money in order to keep her dependent on him/he doesn't want to share his muse.

Once she becomes a posh model, Stalkfap becomes incongruous. Even more so when they go to Dubai.

 

[Ray_D]

Once she becomes a posh model, Stalkfap becomes incongruous. Even more so when they go to Dubai.

No, not the trip to dubia. Poor lena will need a lot of therapy to recover from that.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

What are you talking about? I always said Seymour being Lena´s dad is a possibility, not a certainty! As for Eva saying that it would revolve around her stepdad: We all have learned over the years of development of ORS, that Eva says much when the day is long, meaning that she has changed quite a bit, like closing off paths, opening others and sometimes suddenly as well. If a path will revolve around Lena´s Dad, be it Seymour or her Stepdad, this path has to come in the future and who knows in what way, if it does at all..

Emma and Seymour are like they are because EK paints them at times really blatantly. I know that Emma is meant to be nice and Seymour as the main antagonist.
But you miss the point in that I had the distinct displeasure to see what activists in the vein of Emma are like in real life! If such activists gain a measure of power, e.g. in a city council, up to half of them get mostly interested grabbing as much perks as they can, with unabashed glee, but still preaching water and drinking wine themselves. (At least with these bigots you sometimes can make compromises to get something done), the other half are realityblind boneheads, completely useless, because these stupid fucks cannot accept realitiy. A tiny minority of activists, the size of a rounding error, are those who are true to their ideals, but also savvy enough to see that you have to work and compromise with others to get something done.

With this real life experience in the back of memories, it totally scratched me the wrong way when we learned that Emma went by gutfeeling only(!) and has no evidence, but e.g. threw beer on Seymour. While Emma´s feeling might be right with Seymour (since EK decided to make him the main antagonist), a person is never always right going by gutfeeling alone.
In another case some day Emma could be seriously wrong, but still will treat that person like she does Seymour, since "gutfeeling". No thanks! But since I am a nice guy, my Ian tries to couple Emma and Perry up, they deserve each other.

Yeah, it may never happen. If it doesn't, it's not gonna bother me, because I've never been heavily invested in incest storylines. In fact, the one in GGGB was probably one of the routes I was least interested in. I'm not offended by the possibility of incest at all, it just doesn't hold any real interest for me, even though I may sometimes discuss these routes at length, in the some of the games I play. I'm always going to be most interested in the female protagonist being a complete slut and sleeping around with as many people as possible. That's just my kink, and I recognise there are certain people that hate that or think it's been done to death on numerous games. But I love it and I never get bored of it.

Yes Eva may change her mind and not include Lena's stepdad or even her estranged brother, in a possible future incest storyline. But at least she's suggested this possibility, which is far more than she's done for your theory. Which has never been alluded to ever, either in the game or in her posts outside. That is purely yours and others fantasy or theory, and until she suggests otherwise, that's all it ever will be. And thus it can't be used as any realistic indicator of which way the storyline with Seymour is likely to go, as you appeared to suggest before.

And it doesn't matter what some activists are like in real life. Yes some of them allow their idealism and youth to get the better of them, and demand stuff that is unrealistic and impossible to deliver. And maybe they don't fully recognise the consequences for themselves, if it ever was. Personally, I just believe most activists are people who want to make the world better, but are often too young and inexperienced, and overly idealistic to recognise the difficulties, that achieving that usually requires. Change often requires compromise, which a lot of activists may view as a surrender. I felt much the same way, when I was a student, but over time my opinion has changed. And my worldview, is no longer so simplistic.

In this particular instance though, it really is quite simple. Seymour and his cronies, are ripping off most of the people in Baluart, and are prepared to do anything to enrich themselves. Everything Emma says about him is true, and if you believe otherwise, then you're just as naive as Ian is.

Now, I think we've discussed this particular topic to destruction. I've certainly said all I want to say on the matter, and it's pretty obvious we hold opposing opinions, that will only be resolved by whatever path Eva decides to follow or not follow in the future. So I suggest we give it a break, because certain people are starting to get a bit antsy. And frankly I'm starting to get bored repeating myself.

 

[Turret]

Yes some of them allow their idealism and youth to get the better of them, and demand stuff that is unrealistic and impossible to deliver. And maybe they don't fully recognise the consequences for themselves, if it ever was. Personally, I just believe most activists are people who want to make the world better, but are often too young and inexperienced, and overly idealistic to recognise the difficulties, that achieving that usually requires. Change often requires compromise, which a lot of activists may view as a surrender. I felt much the same way, when I was a student, but over time my opinion has changed. And my worldview, is no longer so simplistic.

Make that "most" instead of "some" and you are in for a big thumbs up! The typical activist is a parade example of nice thoughts do not translate into well done, if they get something done at all.

In this particular instance though, it really is quite simple. Seymour and his cronies, are ripping off most of the people in Baluart, and are prepared to do anything to enrich themselves. Everything Emma says about him is true, and if you believe otherwise, then you're just as naive as Ian is.

As I wrote to you before, I know quite well that Emma is right in the case of Seymour, because that is what EK wrote. But I just wanted to show you why I cannot stand Emma since she told us she goes by just gutfeeling. Gut feeling is never always right!
And while Emma is correct when it comes to Seymour, there will come a day and a person where gutfeely Emma will be plain wrong, but still treat that person like she did Seymour.

 

[Chemish]

Given recent conversation, maybe Eva Kiss' next adult visual novel should be a political thriller. /s

 

[GokutheG]

The most likely way for Seymour to influence the election is to use his resources to make it seem as tho the mayor is the one responsible for all the city's financial woes/he has been illegally profiting somehow. This will lead to Lena/Ian helping Emma to expose all of Seymour's shady business practices which are the true root of the city's troubles. Or Lena/Ian will decide that they have it too good being on Seymour's side so they give him the evidence while letting the city crumble while they live the high life.

 

[Turret]

If Holly continues on her present rapid trajectory on her 'slut' path, she may even end up as the leader of the Ivy/Lena/Holly 'slut' cabal? I think she could totally transform into a completely badass girl. So perhaps anything is possible?

I certainly can't wait for Ian's reaction, if she turns up one day with big breast implants, blonde hair and several tattoos and piercings? Holly is possibly the equivalent of Eva in GGGB, and on several paths Eva's transformation was almost as dramatic as Ashley's. So there is precedent in EK's games, for a secondary character, getting a complete personality makeover.

Hopefully no surgery or something like it at least on the more normal paths! I strongly dislike this "plastic stuff"!
But I also think that wild or slut Holly has a lot of potential. Personally I would like a path where slut Holly and a confident Ian become a couple. Holly wanted to become more like Lena and Ivy to become visible to Ian and that is something that should happen and not only for cuck Ian, but confident Ian too, esp. if he likes sexting and pic sharing.
A slut Holly in a solid relationship with a confident Ian could also have influence on their books, e.g. more thiller, more erotic stzff in them. While we know that there is a normal Ian-Holly path, where he and Lena help her getting bolder, as said, there should be one for slutty Holly too.

 

[lucadiadis]

I wouldnt worry about the politics as the useless creepy Wokes will hand Trump the election anyway. The US has ended up with two equally bad choices however you look at it.

Oh and on the game, Seymour is a control freak however you look at it.

Not "equally". Two bad choices yes absolutely, but not "equally". It is crazy to compare an old boring politically correct technocrat and a dangerously illiterate extremist.