VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Shapesnatcher]

I did say no one but the MC or Holly are a good idea for long term for a reason. If Ian goes for anyone but Holly or Good Lena, he is potentially fucked. Lena runs into the exact same conundrum, although in her case its more obvious because Robert,Mike, Axel and Seymour do a very poor job at pretending to be good people while Stan is not driven. In the case of the girls Ian can end up with they have more wiggle room, the statement should still be true in that they will give you a good enough reason as to why you should not pursue them over Holly or Lena. Going for Cindy longterm is a nono because she cheated on Wade, once a cheater always a cheater. Cherry and Allison have more wiggle room at this point in the story but Allison raises some red flags with the whole possible baby trapping, while in Cherry's case it has to do with not getting over Axel of all people. What I am trying to say is that IanxAllison is harder to defend as the story goes on, heck I remember having an easy time defending Cindy but I no longer do.

 

[kino2]

So whose the endgame boss for Ian? I know for Lena, the old dude

 

[yuvce]

So whose the endgame boss for Ian? I know for Lena, the old dude

I'd say Minerva. She's basically his Seymour the way she lusts after him and gets in the way of his career ambitions. But I also think if he's on Lena, Cherry, or Cindy's route, it'll probably be Axel.

 

[GokutheG]

I did say no one but the MC or Holly are a good idea for long term for a reason. If Ian goes for anyone but Holly or Good Lena, he is potentially fucked. Lena runs into the exact same conundrum, although in her case its more obvious because Robert,Mike, Axel and Seymour do a very poor job at pretending to be good people while Stan is not driven. In the case of the girls Ian can end up with they have more wiggle room, the statement should still be true in that they will give you a good enough reason as to why you should not pursue them over Holly or Lena. Going for Cindy longterm is a nono because she cheated on Wade, once a cheater always a cheater. Cherry and Allison have more wiggle room at this point in the story but Allison raises some red flags with the whole possible baby trapping, while in Cherry's case it has to do with not getting over Axel of all people. What I am trying to say is that IanxAllison is harder to defend as the story goes on, heck I remember having an easy time defending Cindy but I no longer do.

I think this is due to the dev's original premise of 2 lost souls finding each other. In order to try and make this pairing more attractive the dev inserted obvious red flags into ever other relationship that the mcs can enter. This has caused obvious problems when players don't go down the intended pairing for the story.

 

[GokutheG]

I'd say Minerva. She's basically his Seymour the way she lusts after him and gets in the way of his career ambitions. But I also think if he's on Lena, Cherry, or Cindy's route, it'll probably be Axel.

Nah it's going to also be Seymour. With Minerva Ian can either dominate her, start a relationship, fall in line or get a new job. Seymour is the one with enough influence to screw with the writing competition either for or against him. Minerva can also become an ally to help him for the competition.

 

[Shapesnatcher]

The endgame boss for Ian is whoever happens to be Gillian's boyfriend if he still simps her(probs Mike, boring af conclusion unless Mike is portrayed in a more interesting manner), Minerva due to career embitions as stated previously or Axel cuz Cherry, Cindy or Lena.

 

[ffive]

So whose the endgame boss for Ian? I know for Lena, the old dude

Most likely Ivy.

(sad SerHawkes noises)

But a bit more seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if Seymour turned out to be the end boss for both of them.

 

[| Vee |]

Cindy doenst sees Axel as a desperate photographer,he see him as the man who is opening the doors to a better future,the whole "desperate photographer" is you inserting your throughs into the situation using Ian as your vassal.

Exactly! He is desperate for attention(his nature) and Photographer is his job. Cindy sees him a photographer who is good at his job and can help her professionally, who apparently is doing good for himself.

I am telling it as it is. Axel is just "a desperate photographer" as a character. Dude is desperately desperate.

 

[Leongen43]

Most likely Ivy.

(sad SerHawkes noises)

But a bit more seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if Seymour turned out to be the end boss for both of them.

You like to put your finger in the wound, you're going to cause our deaths when he returns.
Speaking ORS, I would like it to be Axel and if possible in the tournament so I can break his face in front of everyone, in the case of Seymour maybe Lena will give him a happy ending of death with her hand and from the emotion the old man will die and She will be free of him, right?

 

[Vengeance_11]

This has caused obvious problems when players don't go down the intended pairing for the story.

Chief among them for me being the annoying logic issue it causes with Lena.

She can express zero interest in Ian when talking with Ivy and shoots him down when he asks for a date in Chapter 4, but then also complains to Ivy later on that she "kinda likes" him, but that "they didn't have enough chemistry after all" and that things "didn't flow as smoothly" as she expected with him.

It takes for the two of them to be "dating" until Chapter 10 for Lena to finally friendzone Ian, an option that should be available when she rejects him in Chapter 4 to provide a more interesting playthrough than Ian just being chill with Lena not liking him.

 

[Andrea9999]

Yes...I got there...I think it is promising as a route EK intends to develop.

Most likely Ivy.

(sad SerHawkes noises)

But a bit more seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if Seymour turned out to be the end boss for both of them.

I agree. Seymour will enjoy playing with two sexual puppets instead of one. But before that happens, Seymour will have Lena exhibit herself in a series of increasingly debauched and humiliating performances before audiences of his choosing. We can, of course, expect to see many of the sex shop toys that Lena had no option to purchase. It is quite possible, however, that by the time Ian enters the stage, Agnes will be in charge of the actual choreography. I think EK will be pulled in deeply by her own dark fantasies.

 

[GokutheG]

Chief among them for me being the annoying logic issue it causes with Lena.

She can express zero interest in Ian when talking with Ivy and shoots him down when he asks for a date in Chapter 4, but then also complains to Ivy later on that she "kinda likes" him, but that "they didn't have enough chemistry after all" and that things "didn't flow as smoothly" as she expected with him.

It takes for the two of them to be "dating" until Chapter 10 for Lena to finally friendzone Ian, an option that should be available when she rejects him in Chapter 4 to provide a more interesting playthrough than Ian just being chill with Lena not liking him.

This is another reason I dislike the revamped opening. Instead of a random meeting in the Cafe now it's Ian being some shining knight for the damsel in distress. Also she's supposed to remember that the 2 met when she was at a difficult point emotionally. Their introduction was so forced that it wasn't interesting. Their story could have been interesting if things were allowed to develop a bit slower. Why is Lena not allowed to open up to Axel unless she kisses Ian on the 2nd date? Why do they automatically kiss on the 3rd date even if Lena says she's not interested in Ian that way? There really should have been a just friends path that still allowed them to help each other get over their respective heartbreak. I think either Ivy's bd or Lena's concert would have been a good opportunity to have them realize that they liked each other if that was something the player wanted. Really seems like the branching paths are way too difficult for the dev to handle with a 2 protagonist game.

 

[yuvce]

Nah it's going to also be Seymour. With Minerva Ian can either dominate her, start a relationship, fall in line or get a new job. Seymour is the one with enough influence to screw with the writing competition either for or against him. Minerva can also become an ally to help him for the competition.

But a bit more seriously, it wouldn't surprise me if Seymour turned out to be the end boss for both of them.

Not saying that won't eventually be the case, but entering chapter 12 out of allegedly 20 something chapters, Seymour's been more antagonistic towards Lena and almost not at all towards Ian. There hardly seems to be any development between Ian and Seymour.

 

[SearingFive]

I believe, Ian/Seymour will pick up pace at the book fair competition. He did ask for Lena to Ian and Ian got 3 options - friendly, neutral and aggressive which nets him +1, 0, -1 towards Seymour. This probably feels like how Seymour will react to Ian later in the game. The month of September will probably cover more on Ian/Seymour/Minerva/Viktor.

 

[Andrea9999]

Not saying that won't eventually be the case, but entering chapter 12 out of allegedly 20 something chapters, Seymour's been more antagonistic towards Lena and almost not at all towards Ian. There hardly seems to be any development between Ian and Seymour.

If you choose the path in which Lena is titillated enough to willingly accept Seymour's proposal, in my view, it is not really antagonistic; rather he is feeding Lena's own desires; desires which scare her. (I curiously did a speed run of Lena truly being forced into it and found the resulting antagonistic dialogue to be very unappealing.)

 

[SearingFive]

If you choose the path in which Lena is titillated enough to willingly accept Seymour's proposal, in my view, it is not really antagonistic; rather he is feeding Lena's own desires; desires which scare her. (I curiously did a speed run of Lena truly being forced into it and found the resulting antagonistic dialogue to be very unappealing.)

Like I said in a previous post. Seymour is a relativistic villain archetype. We have to see from more than one POV to understand him. Helping Lena in his twisted way feels normal to Seymour, he thinks his aggressive guidance will fast-track Lena to the right path of excellence and the topic of closing doors for Lena is never discussed if she willingly worked for Seymour. Lena dismissing him causes us to see that Seymour was behind all those aggressive guidance which is harassing in simple terms.
It's up to us to decide that are we ok with his behaviour or not.

 

[Andrea9999]

Like I said in a previous post. Seymour is a relativistic villain archetype. We have to see from more than one POV to understand him. Helping Lena in his twisted way feels normal to Seymour, he thinks his aggressive guidance will fast-track Lena to the right path of excellence and the topic of closing doors for Lena is never discussed if she willingly worked for Seymour. Lena dismissing him causes us to see that Seymour was behind all those aggressive guidance which is harassing in simple terms.
It's up to us to decide that are we ok with his behaviour or not.

If the scenario causes tingling...then it is ok.

 

[yuvce]

I believe, Ian/Seymour will pick up pace at the book fair competition. He did ask for Lena to Ian and Ian got 3 options - friendly, neutral and aggressive which nets him +1, 0, -1 towards Seymour. This probably feels like how Seymour will react to Ian later in the game. The month of September will probably cover more on Ian/Seymour/Minerva/Victor.

I just hope being neutral is enough for Ian to be successful in the book competition. I really don't wanna encourage Seymour's perverted behavior.

 

[SearingFive]

I just hope being neutral is enough for Ian to be successful in the book competition. I really don't wanna encourage Seymour's perverted behavior.

I really don't know how EK will manage Seymour/Ian/Lena. The build-up is so slow that it would need more than 3+ chapters to tie up with that pace.

If the scenario causes tingling...then it is ok.

The tingling is sadly for the ladies. For males, it's the opposite. Most of us don't find older men with perverted desires making a woman submit to lust that desirable. If it were a younger Seymour the tune of the threads would be really different. Dare I say people would actually root for him against Axel, on who would be a better dom to Lena.

 

[Mrs.Nyx]

Sorry for asking you guys

I was looking for 100+ page at this point and never found a "Chapter 12 tournament full mod android port" did i need to wait for JD or is there any mod file i can install in my android file ?

Sorry for any inconvenience