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Scroll down a bit after that post and you can refer to my reply there.How could it be a cuck route if Ian never had a relationship with Lena in that scenario
Scroll down a bit after that post and you can refer to my reply there.How could it be a cuck route if Ian never had a relationship with Lena in that scenario
Even if Ian is bicurious, it doesn't mean that he would be willing to act on this curiosity. And no, he didn't have any past experience with a guy. Jerking off to Jeremy's pictures makes him feel guilty and weird about himself and he doesn't want it to become a habit. If he was into guys previously, that wouldn't be that weird for him. Or if it's just the friendship aspect that weirds him out, then he'd at least mention his attraction to Axel in his thoughts, but he never does.It wouldn't make Ian gay, it would make him bisexual. Also, I'm not sure what criteria is making you say it wouldn't 'fit' Ian at all. Nothing about his personality, actions, or the things he's said speaks against bisexuality, and until it is nothing is saying he couldn't be (bi curious, or have had an experience with a guy in the past). As always, I'm not saying Ian is bisexual, but I am saying there's nothing stopping that sort of content fitting in the game quite easily, if Eva actually wanted to do it. But I know that Eva has no plans for it.
Jeremy being a homophobe does though. He has this "dudebro" mentality and casually mentions how grappling is "too gay", etc. There's no way Jeremy would want to do anything with a dude, he'd rather cut his dick off.Also, Jeremy being Ian's friend in no way rules out the potential for guy on guy content between them. It isn't like being friends in any way stops things from becoming more.
There is no "side" or "main" content. It's all your choice. Your active storyline is the MAIN content for YOU only. Check the last update for example. It was mostly Holly-focused, while Cindy took a backseat. Is it disappointing for Cindy fans? Sure. But next time Holly (or someone else) might take a backseat while those who pursue Cindy enjoy themselves.Now, here is where it gets tricky. Ian wants it, but Lena "considers" it but then refuses. So, what happens to the Ian side of the story? Does he 'go away skulking" because he can't get his 'cuck content' or pretend that the whole thing never came up and continues on his way? You see where the 'wasted time and effort' comes into the equation? And I'm not talking simply wasting time and effort as a player, but for Eva who would have to literally stop the ENTIRE project just for this one moment of 'fetish content' that has vast outcome results without moving forward on the actual original story. It would bog Eva down with focusing time/effort on "side content" with little or no time available for "main content". And that is for simply ONE of several possible "cuck content" possibilities.
Why do you think that a particular kink needs to be equally applied to ALL and ANY characters? Clearly, some character types are "locked into" scenarios that only their path unlocks. Obviously, there won't be any "cucking Axel" route or "cheating on Mike". Mike has a cheating fetish where Lena is the other girl in the relationship and his poor girlfriend is in the dark, while with Ian it doesn't work like that at all, she at best tolerates the other girls in his life, and some other girls, like Holly, end up breaking their relationship. Eva cuts corners by making some paths character or other path-exclusive. In GGGB, Ash could have a threesome with Eva and Dave only if she broke up with Eric and Eva is not a slut anymore. Dave content was the same, you needed to be single to date him. You couldn't cuck "Alpha-Eric", only have an open relationship with him. As you can see, there is some wiggle-room for Eva to include potential kinks into the game, she's been doing it for quite a while.Stan? I am not sure about Stan at all. The only way that I can see that one happening with Axel is ONLY as either 1) A "warm up" for more dominate male figures, or simply as 2) Some kind of "test" to see how submissive Lena has become by basically accepting any partner into the bedroom. Even as a 'test', I can't see Axel simply sitting aside and watching WITHOUT getting involved himself and turning the situation into a 3-some more than basic 'cuck content'. And in regard to the 3-some option, Axel would clearly be the "dominate figure" involved with Stan/Lena/Axel, almost to the point of being cruel and aggressive towards Stan just to get rid of him.
You have a wrong interpretation of what "cucking" means. You can't be a cuckold if you're not in a relationship with a girl. Just because a girl you have a crush on started fucking or dating someone else, and you feel some jealousy, it means just that, that you haven't moved on. Gillian broke Ian's heart by cheating on him, but it's clear that he still has some unresolved feelings for her because thinking about her makes him sad that he lost her, not angry that she betrayed him. Does it make Ian a cuck because Gillian is enjoying some other dick in her private life now? No, it doesn't. And cucking is always voluntary. If he starts dating Lena for real and she cheats on him, it would only make her a cheater. Ian would need to know about it, and consent to it for him to be a cuck. Otherwise, he's just a victim of the cheating. Perhaps a fool. But not a cuck.Scroll down a bit after that post and you can refer to my reply there.
I'm still not sure about one Thing. If I remember correctly there are two Scenes in the Game where Ian and Lena can fall in Love with each other (Telling Jeremy you falling for Lena as Ian and after one Sex Scene to snuggle with Ian as Lena right?) Does this mean you need both Scenes for them to fall in Love or does it mean if you just do one Scene then just Ian falls in Love with Lena or the other way around?Ian and Lena can have various types of relationships. You could argue the same things about their VANILLA loving relationship. Why is it in the game if the player won't see 80% of the rest of the game (Robert, Mike, Axel, Cindy, Alison, Cherry, Holly, etc)? Because it fits into the concept of MULTIPLE CHOICES. Just like the player could decide whether Ian loves Lena or Lena loves Ian, or one/both of them treat it as a casual hook-up... I'm sure the same can be achieved with potential voyeur/cuck content as well where the players decide how each of the characters feel about this kink. OR, their reaction might be decided based on a combination of your past choices.
You're probably right. I haven't tried it either, but I imagine there isn't a huge amount of payoff yet. Why don't you try it and let us know?I'm still not sure about one Thing. If I remember correctly there are two Scenes in the Game where Ian and Lena can fall in Love with each other (Telling Jeremy you falling for Lena as Ian and after one Sex Scene to snuggle with Ian as Lena right?) Does this mean you need both Scenes for them to fall in Love or does it mean if you just do one Scene then just Ian falls in Love with Lena or the other way around?
I'm just wondering if you can make one of them fall in love but not the other one or if you just can make them both fall in love with each other? I never play them falling in Love but I'm interested how this works.
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as wellJust cheating behind Ian's back is very nice or nicer than full on cuckolding to me... Call it whatever you want... Netorare is hot shit. Especially if Ian doesn't want it to happen or he doesn't want to admit he likes seeing or knowing Mike is using Lena's holes...
Yes, you can make it so that only one of them loves the other, while the other one only treats it as a casual relationship. In that case, the love would be unrequited, and it would probably be similar to Ian/Cherry or Lena/Robert relationships, where one wants to become more serious while another wants freedom. If it leads into a conflict, I imagine they could decide whether to stop their ongoing relationship due to the conflict of interests, or still continue dating, but on agreed terms (open or exclusive relationship).I'm still not sure about one Thing. If I remember correctly there are two Scenes in the Game where Ian and Lena can fall in Love with each other (Telling Jeremy you falling for Lena as Ian and after one Sex Scene to snuggle with Ian as Lena right?) Does this mean you need both Scenes for them to fall in Love or does it mean if you just do one Scene then just Ian falls in Love with Lena or the other way around?
I'm just wondering if you can make one of them fall in love but not the other one or if you just can make them both fall in love with each other? I never play them falling in Love but I'm interested how this works.
Not really. I'd have to look at the exact phrasing of his thoughts in that scene (I never played his voyeur content), but feeling weird and/or guilty about jerking to your friend's hetero sex pics doesn't have to say anything against Ian's potential interest in guys whatsoever. It's WHY he feels weird/guilt/etc that's important.[...]
Jerking off to Jeremy's pictures makes him feel guilty and weird about himself and he doesn't want it to become a habit. If he was into guys previously, that wouldn't be that weird for him. Or if it's just the friendship aspect that weirds him out, then he'd at least mention his attraction to Axel in his thoughts, but he never does.
Unless I'm wrong, Ian is new to voyeurism - at least where his friends are concerned. I already mentioned all this above so I won't go into it beyond that but to say: if he is new to voyeurism, or this more personal aspect of it, then there would be every reason for him not to feel quite comfortable with it.If Ian's anything like me, he'd be comfortable being a voyeur and admiring Jeremy's (or Axel's) dick, admitting that they're hot, but when it comes to actually imagining himself with a guy, that image might actually make him very uncomfortable because that's just something he never desired (never had a crush on a dude). I can imagine him be willing to try pegging with a girl though.
Jeremy I can understand not being an option - unless he's a closet case or secretly curious; you never know, honestly - just as he might be against it, some of the biggest advocates against something are the deepest in denial.[...]
But most likely Eva would have to introduce another male character for Ian, who'd either be gay or bisexual as well, because I just can't see Jeremy or Axel being into that (unless Axel is in a closet as well). Perry seems more plausible, but not sure if he's an attractive option.
Thanks for the Clarification! So this means Ian telling Jeremy he falls for Lena locks him falling in love and when you as Lena chose snuggling after Sex with Ian it locks her falling in Love right?Yes, you can make it so that only one of them loves the other, while the other one only treats it as a casual relationship. In that case, the love would be unrequited, and it would probably be similar to Ian/Cherry or Lena/Robert relationships, where one wants to become more serious while another wants freedom. If it leads into a conflict, I imagine they could decide whether to stop their ongoing relationship due to the conflict of interests, or still continue dating, but on agreed terms (open or exclusive relationship).
This is what I think could have been an option to explore Ian's bisexuality. When he's wanking to Jeremy's pics, we could have an option to either focus on the girl, or focus on the cock, as Ian cums. That would flag him as bi-curious, similar to how Lena's BBC kink is flagged when peeking on Jeremy and Louise, and having the option to focus on Louise (lesbian feelings) or Jeremy's dick (BBC thoughts).though if he was specifically jerking to Jeremy's dick he could still feel weird or wrong all he wanted - you'd have to ask why he wasn't looking at Louise. lol
Someone mentioned that Ian might not be openly bisexual but merely bicurious which I personally find more believable. That's why I tried to imagine myself in his shoes because I'm aware of my bi-curiosity. However, while I might sometimes focus a bit of extra attention on a guy while watching porn, I never had an urge to fuck or date a dude, and the idea itself makes me quite uncomfortable personally. I don't say that it's impossible to end up in a scenario where Ian (if he's bicurious) finds himself not only attracted to a guy but wanting to act on it, just that the decision wouldn't be easy. It would most likely make him anxious due to the novelty of these emotions and he'd have to gradually open himself up to the idea, or deny those feelings and bury them just to stay in his comfort zone. Both options are possible. That's why I said, if Ian's bi-curiosity is similar to mine, he'd find himself more comfortable limited to being a voyeur, or satisfy his curiosity with some MFM action where he might feel safer to explore his bisexuality than on his own with a guy, like if there's a double penetration happening and he might "accidentally" "cross the swords" with a dude which is still considered pretty straight by the porn standards, but it might make him more aroused, and having a girl in the mix wouldn't make him ashamed for having an erection caused by the mild sexual contact with another guy.When it comes to imagining being with a guy, it's ineffective to put your own feeling about being with a guy on Ian if you're straight. If Ian is hypothetically bisexual, he probably wouldn't feel deeply uncomfortable over the thought of bisexual acts, because at some point he probably would have considered them (even if he never acted on them). Even if it was the first time he'd ever considered it and it did make him uncomfortable because the thought was foreign and new (or against some belief he had), it would still come with a hint of arousal, because that's sort of the point - if he's bisexual, he's not going to feel only disgust over the idea of being with someone of the same sex.
Correct.Thanks for the Clarification! So this means Ian telling Jeremy he falls for Lena locks him falling in love and when you as Lena chose snuggling after Sex with Ian it locks her falling in Love right?
But it is hinted at as you have the choice, multiple times, to masturbate thinking about women or to focus on them. When Ian gets Jeremy's pics, there's no option for Ian to hyper focus on his dick and fantasize about it. Or for him to fantasize about any other male. So, in the way Eva has written his character, there's no concrete reason to say Ian is gay or biI don't think evidence is needed to portray beleivable non-heterosexuality, although there is certainly an argument to be made that if bisexuality were to be added to Ian it'd need some retrospective implementation and not just thrown in from any coming chapter onwards only.
I'm pretty sure you can play the game without Lena's bisexuality being hinted at ever too, yet if someone was to play like that first and then discover Lena's lesbian options on a following playthrough, I doubt they would perceive it as "shoe horned"
It may have been me that mention bi-curiosity that you're referring to, I'm not sure. I did mention it in relation to bisexual content in the game, but I believe it was a while back. In any case, one thing I was adamant about when originally putting the case out there for a bisexual Ian was the fact that it had to be believable, not shoehorned in. As much as I'd love the option for Ian to get with a guy, or guys, if it's not well-planned and executed it's better not to be written at all. Not that I have the fear when it comes to Eva's writing, but I wanted to put that out there. I'm not blindly advocating it.Someone mentioned that Ian might not be openly bisexual but merely bicurious which I personally find more believable. That's why I tried to imagine myself in his shoes because I'm aware of my bi-curiosity. However, while I might sometimes focus a bit of extra attention on a guy while watching porn, I never had an urge to fuck or date a dude, and the idea itself makes me quite uncomfortable personally. I don't say that it's impossible to end up in a scenario where Ian (if he's bicurious) finds himself not only attracted to a guy but wanting to act on it, just that the decision wouldn't be easy. It would most likely make him anxious due to the novelty of these emotions and he'd have to gradually open himself up to the idea, or deny those feelings and bury them just to stay in his comfort zone. Both options are possible. That's why I said, if Ian's bi-curiosity is similar to mine, he'd find himself more comfortable limited to being a voyeur, or satisfy his curiosity with some MFM action where he might feel safer to explore his bisexuality than on his own with a guy, like if there's a double penetration happening and he might "accidentally" "cross the swords" with a dude which is still considered pretty straight by the porn standards, but it might make him more aroused, and having a girl in the mix wouldn't make him ashamed for having an erection caused by the mild sexual contact with another guy.
There is a concrete way of saying Ian isn't gay - the fact that he can and does fuck women. If he was gay there would be, at the very least, some serious reluctance there (even if he was trying to convince himself he wasn't gay by fucking women). The case is still open for bisexuality - I mean, not technically since we know Eva's stance, but.. creatively?But it is hinted at as you have the choice, multiple times, to masturbate thinking about women or to focus on them. When Ian gets Jeremy's pics, there's no option for Ian to hyper focus on his dick and fantasize about it. Or for him to fantasize about any other male. So, in the way Eva has written his character, there's no concrete reason to say Ian is gay or bi