lord, people really have a black dude fetish.
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I might remember this exact poll wrong, but I'm 100% sure there was a poll about favourite cast that was hijacked. But I kinda hope you are right, as hijacking a porn game poll is new-level pathetic. But.. Also, if this poll is accurate my hope for humanity is lost, Stan and Perry
? I can kinda understand Jeremy, if you are a POC and want some representation, but otherwise that's just as mind boggling. Then again, im not here to police content or peoples tase. I'm just very suprised.
- Jul 6, 2017
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They are 3rd and 4th out of seven. They got 18% and 13% of the votes, and beat Axel, Mark, Wade and Robert, not exactly the most sympathetic characters in the game. So I can't really see any foul play.I might remember this exact poll wrong, but I'm 100% sure there was a poll about favourite cast that was hijacked. But I kinda hope you are right, as hijacking a porn game poll is new-level pathetic. But.. Also, if this poll is accurate my hope for humanity is lost, Stan and Perry
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- Dec 4, 2017
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Who said that revisiting past content isn't part of Eva writing the story the way she wants to write and taking the time to polish it? You'd have a point if said revisions were done because of someone's influence, but that's not the case here.
- Dec 4, 2017
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IIRC, the poll wasn't about the most likeable male character, but also the most entertaining one (you love to hate). And Perry is the most entertaining male character in the game. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. One time he helps you get the girl's contact info, another you want to strangle him for ratting you out to said girl, then he roasts Jeremy in the most hilarious way possible and also has a massive crush on Axel.I might remember this exact poll wrong, but I'm 100% sure there was a poll about favourite cast that was hijacked. But I kinda hope you are right, as hijacking a porn game poll is new-level pathetic. But.. Also, if this poll is accurate my hope for humanity is lost, Stan and Perry
- Aug 9, 2016
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I'm not so sure about this in regards to Stan's revamp. Eva herself said she didn't like Stan and found him boring - and she acknowledged that people were complaining about the lack of "good" male options for Lena, outside of Ian.
In the Q&A, she stated that Lena's path was supposed to be more similar to GGGB - after all, that's what makes her "Eva Kiss". I took it to mean more on the corruption aspect.
I'm generally not so sure if the Stan's revamp isn't being done because of the "lack of good male options for Lena" that people were complaining about. In my opinion, Eva never planned Stan to be such an option and is going to adapt him because of other people's opinions (+ him being more popular than characters she seems to like writing).
- Sep 11, 2018
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Eva is revamping Stan's character because she didn't like him but can't ignore him story-wise because he's one of the fan favorites. And it's not like it hasn't happened before because it has with Arthur and Jasmine in GGGB. Cindy also got an expanded storyline after winning the Patreon poll in late 2020. Saying Eva Kiss isn't influenced to a certain degree by her community during the writing process would be a disingenuous statement to make.
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- Dec 4, 2017
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You're too focused on the fact that he will be another decent option for Lena. The major problem was his rather inconsistent character development. In earlier chapters, he was shown as a simp character, harmless and well-meaning, but very awkward. The one you could easily sympathize with and root for him anytime Louise pushes him around. Then, Eva made him creep on Lena and everything changed. He was reduced to an incel caricature when judging by his bio, he was meant to be a bit more complex. A shy, awkward guy, but still horny for Lena and maybe a bit of a perv, but of harmless type. Eva probably realized that the final result wasn't at all what she was aiming for originally and decided to correct that. Making him a good option for Lena is just a side-quest. He already had the potential to be a good friend for Lena (interactions in Chapters 1 - 3), but it wasn't developed further for the sake of corruption.
- Dec 4, 2017
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A strange opinion. How can you write a character and not like them? They're your creations, you know why you wrote each one of them which means they appealed to you enough to include them in the game in the first place. If you don't like the character you're writing, then why write him in the first place? Eva meant that she didn't like the way Stan turned out to be, meaning that she didn't mean for him to become a shallow stereotype and he ended up this way by mistake.
- Aug 9, 2016
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With this, I have to disagree completely. Eva stated herself: "I don't like him".
I don't believe she wrote him because he appealed to her at first (in her own words: "when I created him, I thought it would be interesting to add this character trope into the game, since GGGB didn't have anyone like him, and I wanted to try to explore new character dynamics"). She really created him to play a specific trope in the game and she ended up not liking the trope itself and is now changing his role, imo.
- Sep 11, 2018
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It's not that uncommon at all for writers to hate their creations. David Chase, Charles Bukowski, George Martin are some names of the top of my head who said they loathed some of their characters.
As for Stan - Eva Kiss straight up says she dislikes him in the post I quoted from her Patreon. Whether he turned out that way by mistake on her part or not is irrelevant. She found him intolerable to write additional scenes for, hence the re-write. And it looks like the character was a big issue for her overall writing progress because she has been thinking of revamping him since last summer, at the very least.
In regards to the whole stan argument....with the exception of 2 instances he's a pretty decent character.
The biggest x mark against him is when he spies on Lena & Ian. Now considering Lena has a similar scene with Louise & Jermy, this could still be ok, but dropping the pants & masturbating right there made it creepy...this could have been changed such that how he reacts depends on the relationship points he has with Lena, if they are friendly he feels guilty and walks away, but if their relationship is not great he views her as an object & hence watches (still wouldn't have him drop his pants though, I feel that goes against the character built up to that point)...
The other incident which portrays him badly, although to a lesser degree is when he is caught masturbating. Now again the images he is masturbating to, can depend on his relationship with lena. If they are friends he could be watching generic porn (something with a GGGB character), but if he and lena are not close, him masturbating to her pics would make sense as he would not feel guilty fantasizing about her.
The biggest x mark against him is when he spies on Lena & Ian. Now considering Lena has a similar scene with Louise & Jermy, this could still be ok, but dropping the pants & masturbating right there made it creepy...this could have been changed such that how he reacts depends on the relationship points he has with Lena, if they are friendly he feels guilty and walks away, but if their relationship is not great he views her as an object & hence watches (still wouldn't have him drop his pants though, I feel that goes against the character built up to that point)...
The other incident which portrays him badly, although to a lesser degree is when he is caught masturbating. Now again the images he is masturbating to, can depend on his relationship with lena. If they are friends he could be watching generic porn (something with a GGGB character), but if he and lena are not close, him masturbating to her pics would make sense as he would not feel guilty fantasizing about her.
- Nov 15, 2020
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Yes, I agree that this can be a problem, at least to some extent. I’m sometimes struggling to remember whether Wade’s unemployed or not, and exactly what Robert did and didn’t do to make him an idiot — because of the changes that have been made. But to be fair the changes have been minor up until now, and I get the feeling that will be true for the rework as well, except Stan.
It’s not comparable when it comes to how we as viewers/readers/players experience it, but for the writing process I think it’s very comparable. I'd say that "tak[ing] the time she needs to write the story as she wants" involves — for more or less all writers — exactly going back and adjusting things during the writing process. And I doubt the changes are made only for the first 9 chapters' sake; it's probably also to adjust the story to work better with scenes she's got planned for the upcoming chapters.
To me it seems like Eva's got a pragmatic attitude to changing the story because of other people's opinions. She keeps giving Robert new scenes in every chapter even though he's among the least popular characters, so it's not like she's changing things when she doesn't agree with the feedback.
If you're writing a novel or a movie script, you have editors and others who give feedback during the process — something Eva doesn't have, obviously. But she's got the Discord and Patreon followers — a more cacophonic and less competent variant of an editor, but nevertheless a source of a lot of good feedback. If she agrees that it would suit the game to give Lena another good guy love interest, and also thinks Stan needs a rewrite, I don't see a problem in listening to feedback in those cases. She did it with Ian's new outfits before chapter 9 as well — and his new outfits definitely look better than the original versions.
- May 21, 2017
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And here I thought I was on a forum dedicated to porn games
- Feb 21, 2019
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inb4 Stan rework is better for Lena than Ian
- Oct 14, 2020
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That's the whole point, there are no sympathetic male characters in the game. In GGGB at least we had Dave
- Oct 14, 2020
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Just how many times do you expect the average player to play thru the friggin game? AVN Dev's are making ever longer, ever more massive stories. I know that some people are obsessed with finding every scene and playing every path but I don't think the average player is that into it, at least not with every game.
When chapter 9 was released I started my third playthru and to be perfectly honest I found it a bit tedious to get thru. Then the Dev announced that they're re-writing the game and I haven't really decided if it's worth any more of my time, especially if there are more re-writes in the future.
- Dec 23, 2018
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Refuse work with him right in the beginnig or don't make Lena like work with him if she accepted do the photoshoots