VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 FULL] [Eva Kiss]

[CreativeCritic2]

I'm actually sympathetic on the writer's block excuse.

EK's first game had one character in motion and that motion could go in a number of different ways but the drama was always focused on that one character 'becoming herself'.

This is tricky as there are loads of characters in motion and the story is much more of an ensemble piece. Given the title, I suspect that the original plan was to write about two people who have a connection and exploring the different ways that that connection can play out but I think that thread has been lost in favour of 'here are a group of hot people, some of them fuck each other' and that's a lot harder to turn into a dramatically satisfying story. It's really more of a soap opera.

If you look at where the writing is blocked and the last few updates, you can see that EK is trying to develop all of these characters and hone the narrative into a dramatically satisfying shape but not really managing the second half while really nailing the first half.

I think it's a great game and EK does amazing work but you can see where the struggle is and it's not laziness, it's a blockage born of tension from the story moving in different directions and that tension is really hard to resolve.

 

[ffive]

I'm not talking about patreon numbers. I said most people are over expecting a good release schedule for the game.

Seriously, you white knights are so desperate to ride for someone that you can't even read.

"Most people are over expecting prompt delivery of the game" is such bizarre/specific thing to whine about that the "it" which you actually used in your post was reasonably interpreted as referring to the game itself. Because that's generally what people mean when they talk how "someone is over it".

And seriously, personal attacks? Next time maybe stop while you're still somewhat ahead.

 

[ffive]

If the current workflow/process is not sustainable (and her apologies in the status updates seem to indicate as much) something needs to change.

EK's reports indicate the progress is slow, which is not surprising for the stage of the story she's currently writing, but i think "not sustainable" is only your own take on it. One that's largely fueled by simple and understandable desire of just wanting to get multiple games to play at rapid pace (instead of having to wait for one to wrap up) and little more than that.

 

[jimul18]

If you look at where the writing is blocked and the last few updates, you can see that EK is trying to develop all of these characters and hone the narrative into a dramatically satisfying shape but not really managing the second half while really nailing the first half.

I think it's a great game and EK does amazing work but you can see where the struggle is and it's not laziness, it's a blockage born of tension from the story moving in different directions and that tension is really hard to resolve.

Again that's why there need to be some radical (in the basic meaning of the word) changes. If you remember the last year (maybe half a year) of GGGB it was pretty similar. The updates already indicated that EK had issues trying to navigate the overlapping paths and variables. Therefore the ending was somewhat rushed without exploring the interesting aspects that opened up at the end of that game.

Imho this core problems persists in ORS, especially since v07 or v09 at the latest. The same way that it wasn't possible to predict what side characters would become popular in GGGB the same here. Add to that now there are two playable MC and more sidecharacters as well as overlap between possible path it is no wonder that writers block occurs.

What Xupuzulla suggested, and please correct me if I'm wrong:

...her "IM FOCUSING/STRUGGLING WITH THE WRITING" is tiring through,she literally has one excuse that she uses everytime...

is emblematic of this larger problem. At the end of the day it is EK decision, as you said "my own take on it" is that I would rather have consistent updates every three months even if that means a small dip in complexity/quality instead of two updates per year at best (because this is where they are headed).

 

[Lord Bradley]

I'm not into feet, but I think Holly could be a great feet slut. Great image!

 

[JohnnyKiss]

So, from the cucking discussion, the tread went to "I am mad because my favorite VN which I pirate is not making my preferred timetable"?

I'm not going to support a creator who takes a year to publish an unfinished update and support their poor bussiness practices.

Once the updates start coming out once in 3 months, I might consider supporting them. I'm gonna buy this game anyway, once it's finished and on Steam.

 

[Maviarab]

I'm not going to support a creator who takes a year to publish an unfinished update and support their poor bussiness practices.

Once the updates start coming out once in 3 months, I might consider supporting them. I'm gonna buy this game anyway, once it's finished and on Steam.

Thanks for telling us, we'll all sleep better knowing that.

 

[varpep]

I believe I've found an oversight by Eva in the paths . In my recent playthrough, Holly is being influenced by Ivy and and I pick all the romantic options for Holly as Lena while she is still dating Ian. So in the shower scene with Holly and Ivy, I picked for Lena to join in. In chapter 10 during Holly's nude photo shoot, when Ivy leaves, I chose to less out with Holly but Lena refused to do it since she was dating Ian. Holly and Lena then have a conversation about what happened in the showers and they talked about if it would affect Lena's relationship with Ian if he found out. Lena convinces Holly that it was normal between friends. Holly then leaves. So in the chapter 11 ending, I was surprised when Lena brought up her kiss with Holly and whether the three of them could have a happy ending(this happens on the trouple path) in her inner monologue when it never happened on this playthrough. This means I'm on the trouple path without Holly sharing the same feelings or confessing to Lena or even Lena considering it earlier in chapter 11. Sorry for the mini essay.

 

[ffive]

I believe I've found an oversight by Eva in the paths .

Keep in mind that both Chapter 10 and Chapter 11 underwent multiple revisions with lot of bug fixes. So unless you played the whole sequence on latest release of the game (as opposed to picking up older save and just continuing from there) there's a possibility you're experiencing one of these bugs/incompatibilities between game revisions.

 

[iainmore]

Given it seems to be a problem, an easy and practical guide to achieve high results, and even the best one, in writing Ian's book.

You just have to choose: Vengeance, Relativistic, Anti-Hero, Doom, Metaphysical, Sacrifice.

In this way you'll achieve 8 points (aka perfect score) with a Historical book, and 7 points with a Fantasy or Sci-Fi book. To reach max points with those two you have to choose: for the Fantasy one Romantic or Crude, for the Sci-Fi one Chosen One. That's it.

To make it even simpler, just choose these for max score:
Fantasy: Vengeance, Relativistic, Anti-Hero, Doom, Romantic, Sacrifice.
Sci-Fi: Chosen One, Relativistic, Anti-Hero, Doom, Metaphysical, Sacrifice.
Historical: Vengeance, Relativistic, Anti-Hero, Doom, Metaphysical, Sacrifice.

If instead you want more freedom in choices, these alternatives will all give you the perfect score anyway:
Fantasy: Vengeance/Call Of Duty, Villain/Relativistic, Anti-Hero, Doom, Romantic/Crude, Victory/Sacrifice.
Sci-Fi: Chosen One, Villain/Relativistic, Trickster/Anti-Hero, Treason/Doom, Metaphysical, Sacrifice/Defeat.
Historical: Vengeance/Call Of Duty, Relativistic, Sage/Anti-Hero, Fight/Doom, Romantic/Metaphysical, Sacrifice.

A very informative post that I have somehow managed to miss until now. Does this work with JMOD's Mod?

 

[JohnnyKiss]

A very informative post that I have somehow mangaed to miss until now. Does this work with JMOD's Mod?

Don't use the shitty JDMOD or whatever it's called. It's just a waste of time and breaks the game. Use the Universal Renpy Mod. It's the only way to make the game playable.

 

[varpep]

Keep in mind that both Chapter 10 and Chapter 11 underwent multiple revisions with lot of bug fixes. So unless you played the whole sequence on latest release of the game (as opposed to picking up older save and just continuing from there) there's a possibility you're experiencing one of these bugs/incompatibilities between game revisions.

Yeah this was on a fresh playthrough

 

[Xupuzulla]

Yeah this was on a fresh playthrough

Your mistake was playing the Holly path at all

 

[varpep]

Your mistake was playing the Holly path at all

Hey! Gingers have souls too.

 

[Leongen43]

Your mistake was playing the Holly path at all

I guess they're not fun like Allison's route, a super pregnant blonde whore, I like her sex scenes and being able to bet who gets her pregnant, what a beautiful mom she's going to be, right?

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[ExtremeLips]

Your mistake was playing the Holly path at all

Holly path is the only path worth playing. Bad taste friend

 

[fatpussy123]

Holly path is the only path worth playing. Bad taste friend

It's like a top 3 route for Ian. Not the only path worth playing, but your heart is in the right place.

 

[Mravac Kid]

It's like a top 3 route for Ian. Not the only path worth playing, but your heart is in the right place.

Yeah, the other two are Lena path and Lena&Holly path.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Top 3 pathyou have to wait like 7-8 chapters and all Ian gets is a shitty full of teeth blowjob
You Holly fans are crazy.

 

[Krysis_here]

Holly path is the only path worth playing. Bad taste friend

Hey! Gingers have souls too.

Spoiler: Holly Incarnation

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Top 3 pathyou have to wait like 7-8 chapters and all Ian gets is a shitty full of teeth blowjob
You Holly fans are crazy.

Spoiler: HollyMolly

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