dundun

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Okay, need some help. I remember in the older version, you could get Stan to help with the Stalkfap video, even after he saw Lena and Ian having sex. But it seems in the new version, you can't get Stan to help with the Stalkfap video if he saw Lena and Ian have sex.

I was checking the old walkthrough and I meet all the requirements for it, but Lena still won't let Stan help her cause he saw her having sex with Ian. But in the old version, it didn't matter and you could still get Stan to help if you met the requirements. So has this changed then? Is there a new requirement that I don't know about?
Yes, it changed. Stan can not help you any more.
 
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Éama

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Isn't a female perspective about how a character perceives the world, reacts in a certain way to certain actions and events, emotionality and sensuality? I'm not a woman, so I can't tell if Lena's thinking and acting is accurate for a 23-year-old girl, but what I can definitely say is that her chapters are very different in perception from Ian's, so there is some difference in perspective anyway.

If the female perspective is that the woman necessarily has options to become an overbearing socialite right away without any obstacles, then it's a complete bullshit that would make the game boring. I think it's realistic enough when a
young beautiful starlet who wants to build a career in media is tried to fuck up by some assholes, especially rich ones. And to me, the perspective is about how the character will react to it and deal with it, not that Lena might say 'Who do you think I am!' and the aforementioned assholes are like 'Oh, OK, you're right, what was I thinking.' Especially since Lena will still have opportunities to succeed without giving into the corruption of Seymour and others, just that path only begins in chapter 9.
As far as I understand the story up to this point, Seymour is the chief villain pulling the strings in the background. Lena is the heroine, Ian seems like a second-rate hero at the moment or a hero in training, but I think his moment for heroism will come. I definitely feel he has some growing up to do. Depending on the decisions the player makes, he can be noticeably prepared for this role. And frankly, I think Lena could use it. There are two ways this can end well for her. (A good ending in the sense I am describing is that she does not become a pawn in Seymour's perfidious game like so many others before her. In the capitalist sense, so to speak. Like the homeless dude that was chewed up and spat out.) Either she develops herself so much that she defeats the villain on her own, or she manages it together with her friends, who are willing to make sacrifices for her if necessary.
Ian has plenty of opportunities to become an asshole and to abuse Lena's trust. But he can also become the man of her dreams, the one who is there when she is down. For me, there is a lot of "female perspective" in this whole plot. Maybe people just have to focus on a different aspect of the narrative or be more patient with the developer, trusting in her ability to create something different this time around.

The alternative, of course, is for either Lena or Ian to give up on the happy ending and give in to temptation. I wouldn't judge them, lots of people choose that path in their life and they find happiness in their own way. For me, that is not a happy ending, but it is definitely a freedom that can only be experienced in VNs. Sure, one can design this corruption in different ways. But the idea has proven itself in GGGB, why should Eva suddenly reinvent the wheel here.
 
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SpyderArachnid

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Yes, it changed. Stan can not help you any more.
Yeah went through a whole new playthrough again to try different things, even not inviting Ian over (so Stan won't spy on them). When I did it that way, this time she refused to ask for Stan's help cause she caught him masturbating to her photos instead.

So it seems no matter what Stan can't help with the Stalkfap thing anymore, no matter what you do. Kind of sucks as I liked that part.
 

reyir

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As much as a women might enjoy a male gaze on such games, I have the right to prefer if the female protagonist could be delivered from a female gaze. Women, men, can enjoy anything they want. Me, as the individual person that I am, I'd love to see Lena's side through a female perspective. So even if Eva's gender isn't important, as much as I enjoyed both of her VNs overall, I'd rather to see a female perspective of things.

The reason why I decided to speak up is because it is the second game and both games I kind felt bad for the girl I had to play with. I believe the first game, my character end up with girls and the trans character. She didn't get far on the professional career she chose because she'd have to submit to some males wishes and demands. Since she didn't, she couldn't get too far.

And that is my criticism about the game. You don't have to agree, it will still be my opinion and something I'd like to see different, maybe on next games. A girl can date a thousand men, can work as a prostitute/escort if she chooses. Become a porn movie star. I'd just like to see the girl being on control without any male trying to end her career just because she won't become their sex toy and I'd like to see more nice options of men for her to choose, so she won't end up with some shitty guy, since I want Ian to have a relationship with Holly.

That is all, peace!
if you dont like it, then leave it, if you like it, then play it, its as simple as that... this is porn game, of course it will include fetishes that most of the fans here likes even if you dont like it, because this is indie game, so the money they got only came from their patrons, not from sponsor, of course they will make a game that many people likes and will eventually became their patron or donor, if you want more real life scenario, then go out there find yourself a girlfriend or boyfriend... and why even bother debates developer gender on the first place? just judge them based on their works, not their gender
 

the3m_dude

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As much as a women might enjoy a male gaze on such games, I have the right to prefer if the female protagonist could be delivered from a female gaze. Women, men, can enjoy anything they want. Me, as the individual person that I am, I'd love to see Lena's side through a female perspective. So even if Eva's gender isn't important, as much as I enjoyed both of her VNs overall, I'd rather to see a female perspective of things.

The reason why I decided to speak up is because it is the second game and both games I kind felt bad for the girl I had to play with. I believe the first game, my character end up with girls and the trans character. She didn't get far on the professional career she chose because she'd have to submit to some males wishes and demands. Since she didn't, she couldn't get too far.

And that is my criticism about the game. You don't have to agree, it will still be my opinion and something I'd like to see different, maybe on next games. A girl can date a thousand men, can work as a prostitute/escort if she chooses. Become a porn movie star. I'd just like to see the girl being on control without any male trying to end her career just because she won't become their sex toy and I'd like to see more nice options of men for her to choose, so she won't end up with some shitty guy, since I want Ian to have a relationship with Holly.

That is all, peace!
average feminist tiktok user...
 

Redgy

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I hve said something about it a while back. Most of games where girls are protagonists all the guys around are dicks, If you take this game as an example, most of guys wanna take her by force. Axel tried, Robert as well and the old fucker. And when she rejected them, at least 2 of them tried to fuck her life. She lost her job at the restaurant and now the old fucker wants to end her life for not wanting to be submissive ot him.

Despite that she can't get a good job other than a job where she has to sell her body. It shows no respect for women at all. That is why any chance I get I turn my girls into lesbians. It is not even because I am a man and I love girls, it is because the choices these games gives are all the worst. No decent human beings. And if the girl wanna succeed in their life they have to corrupt themselves and become sluts. It is like if women has nothing of value other than their bodies.

No wonder why there is a huge disrespect for women in the society.

In the other game, GGGB it is the same. I don't see much difference. But at least the name was already saying she would be corrupted.
I feel like this belongs to the /niceguys reddit thread.
 

Ir0n Ma1den

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I really wish Lane and Ian will go on a 80s date party and have a 80s clothes on.
 

Olsens.M

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And what if that female perspective is of a "slut"? Women too have fantasies of being sluts and dominated by "Chad"s.


Maybe they're victims of patriarchy, or maybe that's not what they really want but just what you want. In this kind of games played by I think 95% men, the audience of what you want is a minority. The demand is low, so is the supply.
It is not about fantasies or wanting to be dominated. There are games called Free Pass, or the Myrian's project, I believe that is the name. Both games are about a female protagonist who wants to explore all kind of things. But both are on control of their situation (even when they decide to let it go or give control), When they say stop or no, it is stop or no. At least Free Pass is made by a woman. The other one I believe it is made by a male but from a female perspective/Gaze. It is about what they want.

As much as Ian has all the choices to make, even the thing at work, He can solve it without having to have sex with his boss. No one forces him into having sex or kiss or anything. As long as Lena gave the ok, They can do whatever they want to her. Do you understand my point?

The thing is about the guys forcing themselves over t oher. In a male point of view that are some stuff a man do to a woman that are seen as normal. They don't see anything wrong about it, so they keep doing it over and over as if that is ok. They don't respect the woman's decision.

I don't know if you know this, but a BDSM relationship (Dom/Sub) is build on trust and respect. The guy can do whatever they want to her but it was her choice in the first place. And if at some point she doesn't want something, he has to respect that too. But the dom usually knows how far he can go and how to persuade their sub into trying new things.

And yes - THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE - that is why this is called my opinion, and as I said many times it is what I'D WANT TO SEE. I've said that many times. People don't understand that when someone is giving their opinion or suggestion, or say they like or don't like something, it is their point of view, you don't have to agree, it is still my point of view.
 
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It is not about fantasies or wanting to be dominated. There are games called Free Pass, or the Myrian's project, I believe that is the name. Both games are about a female protagonist who wants to explore all kind of things. But both are on control of their situation (even when they decide to let it go or give control), When they say stop or no, it is stop or no. At least Free Pass is made by a woman. The other one I believe it is made by a male but from a female perspective/Gaze. It is about what they want.

As much as Ian has all the choices to make, even the thing at work, He can solve it without having to have sex with his boss. No one forces him into having sex or kiss or anything. As long as Lena gave the ok, They can do whatever they want to her. Do you understand my point?

The thing is about the guys forcing themselves over t oher. In a male point of view that are some stuff a man do to a woman that are seen as normal. They don't see anything wrong about it, so they keep doing it over and over as if that is ok. They don't respect the woman's decision.
Again, this is not a female perspective. It's some idealized view in a vacuum where a woman is absolutely always in control and only meets gentlemen who will only treat her gallantly, even if it's some party meathead (like Guy from Project Miriam). And that's not perspective, that's just some perfect world in which everything is so perfectly matched. The approach in ORS is much more interesting and realistic in a good way (although there are too many assholes, that's true), since Lena can control some situations, but not all, and the guys are mostly far from chivalrous ideals of piety. And the female perspective here is how Lena handles and responds to this pressure, not that she can control Seymour, for example, and give up her pretensions. And it's a much more believable path when a girl succumbs to some barbarians, not when she plays horny dogs from the start. You have to go some way to get there.
 

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It is not about fantasies or wanting to be dominated. There are games called Free Pass, or the Myrian's project, I believe that is the name. Both games are about a female protagonist who wants to explore all kind of things. But both are on control of their situation (even when they decide to let it go or give control), When they say stop or no, it is stop or no. At least Free Pass is made by a woman. The other one I believe it is made by a male but from a female perspective/Gaze. It is about what they want.

As much as Ian has all the choices to make, even the thing at work, He can solve it without having to have sex with his boss. No one forces him into having sex or kiss or anything. As long as Lena gave the ok, They can do whatever they want to her. Do you understand my point?

The thing is about the guys forcing themselves over t oher. In a male point of view that are some stuff a man do to a woman that are seen as normal. They don't see anything wrong about it, so they keep doing it over and over as if that is ok. They don't respect the woman's decision.

I don't know if you know this, but a BDSM relationship (Dom/Sub) is build on trust and respect. The guy can do whatever they want to her but it was her choice in the first place. And if at some point she doesn't want something, he has to respect that too. But the dom usually knows how far he can go and how to persuade their sub into trying new things.

And yes - THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE - that is why this is called my opinion, and as I said many times it is what I'D WANT TO SEE. I've said that many times. People don't understand that when someone is giving their opinion or suggestion, or say they like or don't like something, it is their point of view, you don't have to agree, it is still my point of view.
Do you want some girl power story where Lena can overthrow Seymour like it's nothing? What are you even talking about? You are acting like Lena is getting unavoidably raped or something. You can avoid all the evil men and onlyfans shit and do a pure run. This route is obviously possible. Yes, Seymour will make her life miserable, but he is also threatening to fuck with Ian. In case you didn't notice, Seymour is the main antagonist and Villain of this whole story.

She has the upper hand with Stan, Jeremy, Robert, and even Mike. Axel is more of a draw because she only falls under his influence if you choose to play that way. If you don't make her fall for him, she never relinquishes control of the situation when dealing with him. He is the one trying to win her back and owns up to his mistakes. Part of it is calculated manipulation, part of it is sincere, but she does have the upper hand in her exchanges with Axel unless you specifically make her lose control.

So there is one Sigmund Freud looking mother fucker who is ultra OP. Big deal.
 

bauman

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In a single sentence, did Eva give any reason to redesign Billy from a black man to a full on blonde white boy?
I'm okay with everything else, but that.... is so jarring. I am asking in case I missed some massive backlash or something that prompted this redesign.
Billy and Jeremy will throw Fyre Festival 2: Electric Boogaloo. At least that's my take on what Billy's character is trying to be.



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dolfe67

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In a single sentence, did Eva give any reason to redesign Billy from a black man to a full on blonde white boy?
I'm okay with everything else, but that.... is so jarring. I am asking in case I missed some massive backlash or something that prompted this redesign.
Yeah it's a sensitive topic but it would be nice to have an official statement about this change
 
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whats new in the remastered version?
There's a list of the most important changes on the first post of this thread, and a complete changelog on the creator's Patreon.

In a single sentence, did Eva give any reason to redesign Billy from a black man to a full on blonde white boy?
I'm okay with everything else, but that.... is so jarring. I am asking in case I missed some massive backlash or something that prompted this redesign.
No backlash as I'm aware of, neither here, on Patreon or Discord. My guess is Eva will make a post or two in the coming weeks about the most important changes and the plan ahead, just as she did with Stan before the work on the remaster began.
 
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