VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 BETA] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

The problem with the corruption path in GGGB. I played and did not believe what was happening. Shy and well-mannered Ashley suddenly becomes a whore? Have you seen a lot of girls IRL go from cute girl with one sex partner to gangbang with black rappers in a few months? And being in a street gang. I did not see the motivation that would change Ashley so much. Didn't see realism. "I want something different in life" is not motivation. It's pretty fake and was only meant to jerk off for the gamer on the other side of the monitor. The game was good, but I wouldn't call it a story masterpiece.
. In the ORS, Lena faces financial challenges, low income, and a father with cancer. She is already a relaxed, open girl, with extensive experience in sex. Lena is not shy and has done wild things in her life. Lena likes modeling and is not shy about showing her body. We have a formed personality with character and motivation. And here corruption successfully enters the plot - the opportunity to earn big, easy money just by showing your body.
As well as an asshole sex partner she can have some fun with to get over her toxic relationship with Axel.
Instead of the long road of a good girl, in which Lena takes a detour to success, becoming a musician and dating Ian. But there is no black and white in ORS, you can easily go in a mixed way. The game has a lot of gray morality, unlike GGGB.

The street gang path = terrible. Even if some lily-white suburban girl were to get into drugs/thugs for the visceral and sexual thrill of it, she'd be at best a cracked-out sex-doll they pimp out and pass around. Street gangs don't exactly offer a take-your-daughter-to-work day and some pretty white bitch from the burbs who hadn't so much as drank a beer or stolen a pack of gum from the convenience store four months earlier would not be commanding their respect.

Innocent/cute suburban girl to hood black rapper gangbangs in < 6 months... well, I lived through the late 90's/early 2ks and you'd be surprised what pop-culture zeitgeist can do for dumb, impressionable, directionless teens with no real identity to call their own, in any era. Not saying it's common, but plausible, especially under a bad influence they might seek approval from (Jess). Even more plausible though if Ashley were written as a few years younger.

Most intriguing stories don't focus on the mundane and probable as a general rule, but rather the plausible but highly improbable, since the extremes are what grab our attention. Doubly so in porn. Dog bites man vs Man bites dog. Stories look for the exceptions, not the averages. [EDIT: Noted exception for stories, situations, scenarios that are kinetic, exploring themes that capture the public attention NOW, or the imagination of a small but marketable enclave of the public. In those situations, an element of the story doesn't have to be unusual or improbable. Just dynamic of the current zeitgeist. Though it may not be as interesting 50 years into the future or past if that story is revisited, except for maybe as a history lesson or anthropological/sociological examination. Same goes for all forms of art].

Summary: Street gang leader = bullshit. Thug rapper gangbangs = I'll allow it.

Though, I highly agree, ORS is much closer to reality-based writing in general (key word: "closer". The Seymour shit is sketch). Neither come close to a written masterpiece in any respect either. Near or at the top of the bar for porn game writing, but they're not going to break any pole-vaulting records (unless the "pole-vaulting" is innuendo for something else entirely).

 

[BlandChili]

If this would have had only 1 MC, which would you prefer? Ian or Lena?

Lena. I play female MC games almost exclusively.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Not to get political, but why is it normal if Ian wants to chase all kinds of sexual opportunities, but if Lena does it's "corruption"?

Seymour

Simple as.

 

[BlandChili]

Not to get political, but why is it normal if Ian wants to chase all kinds of sexual opportunities, but if Lena does it's "corruption"?

It isn't.

Really, Lena isn't a good female subject for "corruption" content, since for it to work as a pornographic category the character has to either have a level of innocence or some reservations towards sexual interactions.

Lena is experienced sexually, bisexual and has kinks of her own (steerable by the player to a certain degree). So her only real "corruption" paths seem to be Axel's and Seymour's, assuming you play her along those lines, because in those you have to choose to make Lena give in to what reservations she does have.

An argument could be made that Ivy is a corrupting influence too, but the player gets to determine how much Lena plays along with her suggestions and to a degree most of her hang-ups about Ivy's suggestions are about heartache from her breakup rather than sexual reservation.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

It isn't.

Really, Lena isn't a good female subject for "corruption" content, since for it to work as a pornographic category the character has to either have a level of innocence or some reservations towards sexual interactions.

Lena is experienced sexually, bisexual and has kinks of her own (steerable by the player to a certain degree). So her only real "corruption" paths seem to be Axel's and Seymour's, assuming you play her along those lines, because in those you have to choose to make Lena give in to what reservations she does have.

An argument could be made that Ivy is a corrupting influence too, but the player gets to determine how much Lena plays along with her suggestions and to a degree most of her hang-ups about Ivy's suggestions are about heartache from her breakup rather than sexual reservation.

Lena is reluctant about using Stalkfap as a main source of income, so she definitely has sexual reservation.

Also, MC doesn't need to be completely innocent to be a good corruption subject. As long as they can be seduced into liking some things they at first don't, it's good enough in my book.

 

[BlandChili]

Lena is reluctant about using Stalkfap as a main source of income, so she definitely has sexual reservation.

Yeah, that example is fair. Ivy also introduces hard drugs for another.

Also, MC doesn't need to be completely innocent to be a good corruption subject. As long as they can be seduced into liking some things they at first don't, it's good enough in my book.

No, they don't need to be completely innocent but like I said, it's that or a certain reservation for some subjects. For example Seymour making her masturbate, she isn't innocent in that scenario but she sure as shit has reservations about the events taking place.

Like I said, Lena is not the best character for "corruption" material, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist here and there, just that Lena already has wants and desires that the player can choose to emphasise.

 

[Wallsfalldown]

Love all the folk not understanding how complex writing is, and the more complex it gets the more layers you build upon - such as building a VN with choices that change the story. Do I think Eva is out of her league? A bit. I think GGGB was a great start, but I don't think ORS should've been her second game. I feel she would've had greater success doing a 1-protag game again before attempting a 2-protag game. Or even something simple as while working on a simpler game, work on the plotting for said 2-protag game.

I think she's just over-stressed from being too deep in a project too complex for her level of writing, and thus doesn't know exactly the best way to continue.

 

[Ninjaman2]

What a freaken amazing game! Really loving some of the scenes, Ivy dominating Holly... HOLY SHIT AMAZING!!!

 

[sztrb]

Not sure why everyone is on here shitting on this dev, when there are games such as Summertime Saga or Love & Sex, that not only have worse quality updates, but literally make massive amounts of money for basically absolute mediocrity.

 

[Wallsfalldown]

Not sure why everyone is on here shitting on this dev, when there are games such as Summertime Saga or Love & Sex, that not only have worse quality updates, but literally make massive amounts of money for basically absolute mediocrity.

I'm so sad L&S shit the bed as it was one of the games that brought me here way back when. Seeing the buggy, overly complicated mess it's become now is depressing.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Not sure why everyone is on here shitting on this dev, when there are games such as Summertime Saga or Love & Sex, that not only have worse quality updates, but literally make massive amounts of money for basically absolute mediocrity.

Yeah, those are the most clichéd harems in the "lonely teenage boy's dream" style.

 

[sztrb]

I'm so sad L&S shit the bed as it was one of the games that brought me here way back when. Seeing the buggy, overly complicated mess it's become now is depressing.

I'd be fine with the bugginess, its the fact that the dev basically goes after anyone who makes any critique of it, that kind of put me off it tbh.

 

[BloodyMares]

An argument could be made that Ivy is a corrupting influence too, but the player gets to determine how much Lena plays along with her suggestions and to a degree most of her hang-ups about Ivy's suggestions are about heartache from her breakup rather than sexual reservation.

Well, and Stalkfap (Lena acts shocked at the obscene content Ivy posts at first). And club dancing (Lena brushed it off when Ivy mentioned it). Despite being a sexually liberated girl, Lena, at the beginning, chose to separate her sexual life which she keeps private and her nude modeling which she pursues to make art. And that she used to separate from her day job. Posing at the cafe made her come to terms with having to make her modeling a public knowledge. Stalkfap also blurs the line between parts of Lena's life, making her sexuality public as well (even if behind a paywall). She was shocked to know that Ed left lewd comments on her censored Peoplegram pics, imagine if she stopped to think that he also knows about her Stalkfap (it's linked in her Peoplegram after all) and if he subscribed, he probably jerked off to her solo porn. I think Lena copes with Stalkfap by imagining that it's some kind of faceless fapper crowd, and not the actual people she knows. She freaked out when she read a comment about someone referring to her by name and praising her posing at the life drawing event. But considering she advertised said event in her Peoplegram, it should be obvious to her that anyone who knows her by name and follows her on Peoplegram (like Ian, Perry, Ed, Jeremy, Robert and probably others) can also become her Stalkfap subscribers and comment on her content there, and even request custom videos.

I'm personally looking forward to the opportunity for Lena to start putting her Athletics to practice and start dancing with Ivy now that Seymour cut off most of her opportunities for modeling. She can probably replace the Art Gallery with Cafe and opportunity at Wildcats/Axel with Billy. Stan can't really finance Lena long-term so Lena might have to reconsider her position on dancing at the club. It seems like Seymour makes Lena choose between her artistic sensibilities which she can only realize through songwriting and posing at the cafe, or finding ways to capitalize on her sexuality publicly, just like Ivy.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Not sure why everyone is on here shitting on this dev, when there are games such as Summertime Saga or Love & Sex, that not only have worse quality updates, but literally make massive amounts of money for basically absolute mediocrity.

Not trying to take a side, but this is a poor argument.

Just cause other games are doing worse, doesn't mean people shouldn't express their disappointment here. Those games you mentioned have nothing to do with this game, so why does it matter if they are doing worse? There is always something out there that will be in worse shape than the one you're playing. Doesn't mean you should be grateful that at least your game isn't those ones. If you have genuine concerns, they shouldn't be dismissed because "Oh well, at least it's not <insert other game>".

I don't play Summertime Saga or Love & Sex. I play Our Red String. I could care less what happens with those other games that I don't play. I do care what happens with Our Red String though, because I play it. If I have an issue with development of Our Red String, I should be able to express my displeasure about it here. Regardless of what is going on in other games.

Like I said, not trying to pick sides here just think it's unfair to tell people they shouldn't complain here because it is worse in other games. This is the Our Red String thread. We should be free to provide feedback/express our opinions on this game without being limited because some other unrelated developer is doing a worse job that has nothing to do with this one.

 

[reyir]

Not sure why everyone is on here shitting on this dev, when there are games such as Summertime Saga or Love & Sex, that not only have worse quality updates, but literally make massive amounts of money for basically absolute mediocrity.

Isnt that summertime saga dev is the definition of milking by itself? cuz man, that dev is milking their game really hard and theres still people who supports them without accepting the fact that the dev can raise around at least 400k dollars between each update and the updates itself is very small and keep increasing the number of bug in the game

 

[JoJoPool]

Not trying to take a side, but this is a poor argument.

Just cause other games are doing worse, doesn't mean people shouldn't express their disappointment here. Those games you mentioned have nothing to do with this game, so why does it matter if they are doing worse? There is always something out there that will be in worse shape than the one you're playing. Doesn't mean you should be grateful that at least your game isn't those ones. If you have genuine concerns, they shouldn't be dismissed because "Oh well, at least it's not <insert other game>".

I don't play Summertime Saga or Love & Sex. I play Our Red String. I could care less what happens with those other games that I don't play. I do care what happens with Our Red String though, because I play it. If I have an issue with development of Our Red String, I should be able to express my displeasure about it here. Regardless of what is going on in other games.

Like I said, not trying to pick sides here just think it's unfair to tell people they shouldn't complain here because it is worse in other games. This is the Our Red String thread. We should be free to provide feedback/express our opinions on this game without being limited because some other unrelated developer is doing a worse job that has nothing to do with this one.

I love this game but the patreons need to take a stand and express that it's taking too long for updates, I get that it's not easy and the game is super complex but i thought the remaster (which took way longer than it should and didn't exactly change much story wise) was supposed to solve the issue and make it easier for the dev but nothing changed and the updates are still slow, then was the time we spent waiting for the remaster for nothing ? I think so but that's just my opinion.
the truth is when the patreons keep their mouths shut and keep giving away their money regardless of the issues surrounding the game that they're supporting then the devs turn into milkers because there are no consequences if they do so.... so why the hell not.
Anyway, I hope for everyone's sanity she sticks to one protag next time.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Well, and Stalkfap (Lena acts shocked at the obscene content Ivy posts at first). And club dancing (Lena brushed it off when Ivy mentioned it). Despite being a sexually liberated girl, Lena, at the beginning, chose to separate her sexual life which she keeps private and her nude modeling which she pursues to make art. And that she used to separate from her day job. Posing at the cafe made her come to terms with having to make her modeling a public knowledge. Stalkfap also blurs the line between parts of Lena's life, making her sexuality public as well (even if behind a paywall). She was shocked to know that Ed left lewd comments on her censored Peoplegram pics, imagine if she stopped to think that he also knows about her Stalkfap (it's linked in her Peoplegram after all) and if he subscribed, he probably jerked off to her solo porn. I think Lena copes with Stalkfap by imagining that it's some kind of faceless fapper crowd, and not the actual people she knows. She freaked out when she read a comment about someone referring to her by name and praising her posing at the life drawing event. But considering she advertised said event in her Peoplegram, it should be obvious to her that anyone who knows her by name and follows her on Peoplegram (like Ian, Perry, Ed, Jeremy, Robert and probably others) can also become her Stalkfap subscribers and comment on her content there, and even request custom videos.

I'm personally looking forward to the opportunity for Lena to start putting her Athletics to practice and start dancing with Ivy now that Seymour cut off most of her opportunities for modeling. She can probably replace the Art Gallery with Cafe and opportunity at Wildcats/Axel with Billy. Stan can't really finance Lena long-term so Lena might have to reconsider her position on dancing at the club. It seems like Seymour makes Lena choose between her artistic sensibilities which she can only realize through songwriting and posing at the cafe, or finding ways to capitalize on her sexuality publicly, just like Ivy.

I've always wanted Lena to pursue her songwriting career more seriously, so Seymour's interference might be a blessing somewhat.

 

[BlandChili]

Well, and Stalkfap (Lena acts shocked at the obscene content Ivy posts at first). And club dancing (Lena brushed it off when Ivy mentioned it). Despite being a sexually liberated girl, Lena, at the beginning, chose to separate her sexual life which she keeps private and her nude modeling which she pursues to make art.

For sure, but that's also why I bring up that the player gets to really determine some of the elements to those events. Lena acts shocked, yes, but she also decides for herself to pursue it or not. Ivy doesn't force her to or doesn't manipulate circumstances such that Lena has not choice in the matter.

I think that opens a more semantic argument about whether or not corruption requires consent or not, so I'll just say that it's at least content that can be argued to be corrupting.

Posing at the cafe made her come to terms with having to make her modeling a public knowledge. Stalkfap also blurs the line between parts of Lena's life, making her sexuality public as well (even if behind a paywall). She was shocked to know that Ed left lewd comments on her censored Peoplegram pics, imagine if she stopped to think that he also knows about her Stalkfap (it's linked in her Peoplegram after all) and if he subscribed, he probably jerked off to her solo porn. I think Lena copes with Stalkfap by imagining that it's some kind of faceless fapper crowd, and not the actual people she knows. She freaked out when she read a comment about someone referring to her by name and praising her posing at the life drawing event. But considering she advertised said event in her Peoplegram, it should be obvious to her that anyone who knows her by name and follows her on Peoplegram (like Ian, Perry, Ed, Jeremy, Robert and probably others) can also become her Stalkfap subscribers and comment on her content there, and even request custom videos.

The player is corrupting poor lil' Lena.

I'm personally looking forward to the opportunity for Lena to start putting her Athletics to practice and start dancing with Ivy now that Seymour cut off most of her opportunities for modeling. She can probably replace the Art Gallery with Cafe and opportunity at Wildcats/Axel with Billy. Stan can't really finance Lena long-term so Lena might have to reconsider her position on dancing at the club. It seems like Seymour makes Lena choose between her artistic sensibilities which she can only realize through songwriting and posing at the cafe, or finding ways to capitalize on her sexuality publicly, just like Ivy.

Yeah, I look forward to see more of the athletics stat too. I also hope it will be relevant for more directly sexual situation like with Ian/Cindy. It'd be kinda funny if Eva included something ridiculous like Ian/Lena doing that dumb helicopter manoeuvre. I'd like to see her at least try a sexual scene with them once where the POV shifts and both their stats factor into the options.

My only real specific want would be for Lena to have more ideas independently. I don't mind corruption, but I love when my female MC's can be independently sexual. It would be awesome if Lena could scandalize Ivy in some way, how I don't know, it would just be fun.

 

[BloodyMares]

My only real specific want would be for Lena to have more ideas independently. I don't mind corruption, but I love when my female MC's can be independently sexual. It would be awesome if Lena could scandalize Ivy in some way, how I don't know, it would just be fun.

So far the only scandalous thing that comes to mind is seducing Mike. It's Ivy who acts shocked when Lena tells her.

 

[BlandChili]

So far the only scandalous thing that comes to mind is seducing Mike. It's Ivy who acts shocked when Lena tells her.

Yeah. I kinda hope for a kink that Ivy would be surprised by, like I said I wouldn't be entirely sure what that'd be though. Perhaps her getting into open relationship with two individuals will do more than amuse her.

Ivy works with exposing herself for approval and money, but I wonder if she draws the line somewhere. Say if Lena got a porn route, something more interesting than what Ash got in GGGB, maybe she'd consider that a step too far? Fucking in a studio for all to see.

Otherwise it'd be fun if we got some more dom/sub situations or some type of roleplay. I wonder if Ivy gives a damn about that sort of thing, so far most of her sexual tastes seems somewhat vanilla, just go and get dicked she says, even though she kinda approves of all the sex toys Lena can buy in the shop.