Doppelgang

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What about if I wanna complain about milking, when should I make my very original complaint?
That would be directly after a short "GAME ABANDONED" post by someone making their first comment on the thread, with the "why say lot word when few word do trick" strategy leaving no way of knowing if the post is meant as a question, or just an indisputable fact that said person decided to share with us out of pure kindness.
 
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BloodyMares

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Quod erat demonstrandum! "Unpopular" is very much in the eye of the beholder what counts as such. While there are things, in this case the Ian-Holly-Lena drama which turned out to be a dud, where becoming vocal is more of a mistake control, there are cases where it is unpopular only with the patrons, who then start pushing at Eva for changes.
Aside from the announcement to release Ian's part early, in nearly 2 years I haven't encountered a single thing where complaints were only coming from patrons... In 90% of the cases, if patrons complain about something about the game, this thread is in full-on outrage and mocking mode about the same thing that patrons complain about.

Very unusual, I and several other authors I know do not have this problem. But in ORS´ case it is the very long wait combined with the knowledge that a substantial part of the next update is finished.
Gotcha. Complaints from patrons are bad and should be ignored, complaints from people who don't pay for the game are legit and should be addressed. :unsure:
 

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Aside from the announcement to release Ian's part early, in nearly 2 years I haven't encountered a single thing where complaints were only coming from patrons... In 90% of the cases, if patrons complain about something about the game, this thread is in full-on outrage and mocking mode about the same thing that patrons complain about.
Gotcha. Complaints from patrons are bad and should be ignored, complaints from people who don't pay for the game are legit and should be addressed. :unsure:
Hi! Nice try on turning the words in my mouth! (n)Never said and never implied something like that, pleasae stop this! If you read my posts correctly, you can see when I speak about "patrons only" and " the wider, aggregate audience". You conflate my arguments knowingly or unknowingly.
 

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I say Eva KIss should only listen to us the Freeloaders and not the ones paying her !!!!
ffs !! Enough Already !!! Go play something else and stop complaining !! This site is filled with good games !
It's wild that some people are saying "Eva shouldn't listen to her patreons!" Like, these guys are literally paying for her services so they should pay for the things they want to see.


Sure, she shouldn't listen to them about some story imputs but wanting to get the full update rather than a half-assed, half of it should be up to them.
 

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Sometimes it seems to me this reaction score perfectly displays the discussions going on here:

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Was that from this thread? 'Cause I see something entirely different for that one...
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:unsure: I mean, I suppose the post you were referring to got deleted, but I don't know. :geek: I say just be happy and hope we hear some more positive news in regards to ORS soon! ;)(y)
 

JoJoPool

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Why does Eva no longer share fully colored sneak peeks in her weekly updates like she used to do ?
Now it's always i've been doing this and that with sometimes an unfinished illustration ... I think it will serve as proof that the development is progressing, build the hype for the next update/keep people interested and steer them away from the "milking" discussions.
 
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Tryphikik

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but wanting to get the full update rather than a half-assed, half of it should be up to them.
Don't agree... It should be up to her, she was gonna do it one way then listened to feedback to do it a different. She would know better if the half update was a worthy amount of content. This is splitting hairs though since thats not really what has people bothered because it didn't use to take her 6 months to do 2 updates, so even on the premise this is 2 updates, 1 update, 2 half updates, whatever the fuck you wanna call it... we are pretty close to the point the site should just proclaim the game onhold until proven otherwise.
 
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JohnnyKiss

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Don't agree... It should be up to her, she was gonna do it one way then listened to feedback to do it a different. She would know better if the half update was a worthy amount of content. This is splitting hairs though since thats not really what has people bothered because it didn't use to take her 6 months to do 2 updates, so even on the premise this is 2 updates, 1 update, 2 half updates, whatever the fuck you wanna call it... we are pretty close to the point the site should just proclaim the game onhold until proven otherwise.
If you read her Update she didn't want to release it. The only reason as to why that thought crossed her mind was because it was 10 months without any new content. For her to actually release it in 2 parts it would mean she would have to do extra work to make it make sense with just a half of the story.
 

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Why does Eva no longer share fully colored sneak peeks in her weekly updates like she used to do ?
Now it's always i've been doing this and that with sometimes an unfinished illustration ... I think it will serve as proof that the development is progressing, build the hype for the next update/keep people interested and steer them away from the "milking" discussions.
Unpainted blanks are much more interesting to me than finished illustrations. I will say this - it fuels the excitement for the game for me, anticipating how they will look in the final version.
 
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For her to actually release it in 2 parts it would mean she would have to do extra work to make it make sense with just a half of the story.
That is just speculation. Eva never said that it will be in any way, shape or form, harder for her to release the game in 2 parts. She just said that is not how she envisioned the project, when she started. Other than that, everything is hearsay.

Anyway, I don't see a point in discussing about this any further. It's been almost 3 months since that decision was taken. This chapter and probably others will contain both Ian's part and Lena's part and that is ok.


Why does Eva no longer share fully colored sneak peeks in her weekly updates like she used to do ?
Now it's always i've been doing this and that with sometimes an unfinished illustration ... I think it will serve as proof that the development is progressing, build the hype for the next update/keep people interested and steer them away from the "milking" discussions.
You could also add:
  • why doesn't Eva post the weekly status report every week?
  • why doesn't Eva post anything from behind the scenes that will explain how she approaches writing and why is it so much harder to write the story now than it was in the past ?
  • why doesn't Eva ask patreons to write StalkFap comments anymore ?
  • why is communication not even a second thought? Even with that last teaser, she 'kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet' ... sorry, about the fact that she used that teaser already.
Some will probably answer with: well communication is a waste of time, it's better to work on the project, instead of writing posts on Patreon. And to that, I can only say that is not the end of the world if you spend 1 hour, out of 40, per week to do something like this. Maybe it will actually help, because you'll have to think about something else.

Update: The new status update arrived just on time - now everyone is talking about something different. We can talk about the game again.
 
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