VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 BETA] [Eva Kiss]

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

If I have to do a serious analysis, examining the two characters, it is logical to want Ian to have more beautiful endings, considering that he is mostly a good boy, the opposite of Lena, who as she herself underlines several times, has the great the advantage of messing up one's life is always finding oneself in unpleasant situations, so everything that happens to him, and his shitty life, is the right cause of his choices. reading the two profiles, we can point out that Ian is the good guy in the story and Lena is the bad guy.

 

[Fellas]

Jeremy was acting very uncomfortable when Lena has asked him whether Mike still has a girlfriend. He was similarly evasive when Ian has questioned him if he saw Gillian's new boyfriend at the club. So, while identities of these two aren't confirmed, Jeremy very likely knows who they are. Though i think he genuinely wants to just avoid the drama and believes he's helping (or at least prevents things from getting worse) by keeping stuff under wraps. Just like he doesn't tell Wade about Ian fucking Cindy.

He means good, I'm pretty sure of it. Jeremy actively keeps telling Ian to keep it casual with the girls. For some reason he just doesn't like the idea of a committed relationship. Jeremy saw Ian deteriorated after the breakup and decided to keep it quiet so Ian won't have to think about it again. He might be worried that Ian will try to get Gillian back again.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Jeremy was acting very uncomfortable when Lena has asked him whether Mike still has a girlfriend. He was similarly evasive when Ian has questioned him if he saw Gillian's new boyfriend at the club. So, while identities of these two aren't confirmed, Jeremy very likely knows who they are. Though i think he genuinely wants to just avoid the drama and believes he's helping (or at least prevents things from getting worse) by keeping stuff under wraps. Just like he doesn't tell Wade about Ian fucking Cindy.

Jeremy is a fake friend, he was a loser initially in high school and now with his job and his physique, he is taking revenge for his past, he no longer sees people as friends, but only sees women as trophies to show off to others, not telling Ian the truth shows unfairness, not telling wane about ian and cindy is different, they don't have the same relationship as he does with Ian, whatever the case, Jeremy is a fake character

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

If I have to do a serious analysis, examining the two characters, it is logical to want Ian to have more beautiful endings, considering that he is mostly a good boy, the opposite of Lena, who as she herself underlines several times, has the great the advantage of messing up one's life is always finding oneself in unpleasant situations, so everything that happens to him, and his shitty life, is the right cause of his choices. reading the two profiles, we can point out that Ian is the good guy in the story and Lena is the bad guy.

 

[dolfe67]

Jeremy is a fake friend, he was a loser initially in high school and now with his job and his physique, he is taking revenge for his past, he no longer sees people as friends, but only sees women as trophies to show off to others, not telling Ian the truth shows unfairness, not telling wane about ian and cindy is different, they don't have the same relationship as he does with Ian, whatever the case, Jeremy is a fake character

And of course you're so much better that you only play a route where Ian is faithful to Lena, huh?

 

[yuvce]

Jeremy was acting very uncomfortable when Lena has asked him whether Mike still has a girlfriend. He was similarly evasive when Ian has questioned him if he saw Gillian's new boyfriend at the club. So, while identities of these two aren't confirmed, Jeremy very likely knows who they are. Though i think he genuinely wants to just avoid the drama and believes he's helping (or at least prevents things from getting worse) by keeping stuff under wraps. Just like he doesn't tell Wade about Ian fucking Cindy.

If he knew the identity of the guy Gillian cheated on Ian with, doesn't Ian have a right to know that? Same with telling Wade about Cindy cheating on him? I mean, literal moments before that chapter, he tells Perry "girlfriends are where I draw the line."
Or why not give Ian a heads up that Gillian is back? Since in the tiny town of Baluart, most people are bound to run into each other.

He means good, I'm pretty sure of it. Jeremy actively keeps telling Ian to keep it casual with the girls. For some reason he just doesn't like the idea of a committed relationship. Jeremy saw Ian deteriorated after the breakup and decided to keep it quiet so Ian won't have to think about it again. He might be worried that Ian will try to get Gillian back again.

Because he wants Ian to think with his dick just like he does. He deluded himself into believing that women are just "toys" to put your dick inside of. "Hey I pulled that bitch, look at me, I'm a player!" If all this is Jeremy's attempt to be "a bro" to Ian, I give him an F minus.

 

[ffive]

And of course you're so much better that you only play a route where Ian is faithful to Lena, huh?

Dude thinks Ian is a good guy and Lena is a bad guy in the story. That's all you need to know when evaluating their opinions on the characters.

 

[ffive]

If he knew the identity of the guy Gillian cheated on Ian with, doesn't Ian have a right to know that? Same with telling Wade about Cindy cheating on him? I mean, literal moments before that chapter, he tells Perry "girlfriends are where I draw the line."

Technically no one has a "right" to be told such things. It's up to the person who holds this knowledge whether they divulge it. Such person might think that keeping a secret is better for people involved, and act accordingly. (of course, it doesn't have to mean their opinion was the right one in a given case. But sometimes it can be)

I have serious doubt if many players would appreciate Jeremy telling Wade he saw them banging Cindy. I think you'd see quite a few complaints how he's betrayed them by revealing it.

Or why not give Ian a heads up that Gillian is back? Since in the tiny town of Baluart, most people are bound to run into each other.

He explains his reasoning when Ian asks him.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

And of course you're so much better that you only play a route where Ian is faithful to Lena, huh?

yes they are, the reason is simple, at least Ian has that final choice of loyalty, Lena doesn't, Lena never proves to be faithful, and above all she is weak, in fact she lets herself be manipulated by Ivy, or by others, Ian instead decides to if, to say that Lena always messes up precisely because of her infidelity, naturally a consequence of Axel's betrayal

 

[Fellas]

If he knew the identity of the guy Gillian cheated on Ian with, doesn't Ian have a right to know that? Same with telling Wade about Cindy cheating on him? I mean, literal moments before that chapter, he tells Perry "girlfriends are where I draw the line."
Or why not give Ian a heads up that Gillian is back? Since in the tiny town of Baluart, most people are bound to run into each other.

Bruh Jeremy definitely thinks a cheater like Gillian isn't worth to be a nuisance for Ian. Furthermore the Ian heartbreak adds to his principle that "relationship only cause trouble" so that's why he intends to protect Ian by not telling anything about Gillian.

Every player has their own opinions about Jeremy, but I think his positive values outweigh the negatives. He embraces Ian after the breakup by getting Ian to go out to the club, hitting the gym together, and encouraging Ian to hook up with the girls.

 

[Night Hacker]

Jeremy is a fake friend, he was a loser initially in high school and now with his job and his physique, he is taking revenge for his past, he no longer sees people as friends, but only sees women as trophies to show off to others, not telling Ian the truth shows unfairness, not telling wane about ian and cindy is different, they don't have the same relationship as he does with Ian, whatever the case, Jeremy is a fake character

Yeah, I can't stand Jeremy. In the scene where Ian is in the bar with him and some girls and Jeremy is away, you have the option to tell them that he has is seeing someone. If you choose not to tell on him, when he comes out, he STILL rats on you and tries to mess up YOUR chance. I initially declined to tell on him, but when he did that, I rolled back and changed and told all about him. I don't do anything to please that guy... he's a womanizer who will stab you in the back the first chance he gets. Wayne (or whatever his name is) and P-P-Perry annoy me as well. They bitch about Cindy and ignore the fact that she is constantly coming to HIS favourite bar and when she wants to try something new, all of a sudden she's bad? Yeah... some of the characters are annoying.

One aspect about all of this is how Lena sleeps with whomever she wants, but if Ian does, it can ruin his relationship with her... is there ANYTHING Lena does that risks Ian turning her down?

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Technically no one has a "right" to be told such things. It's up to the person who holds this knowledge whether they divulge it. Such person might think that keeping a secret is better for people involved, and act accordingly.

I have serious doubt if many players would appreciate Jeremy telling Wade he saw them banging Cindy. I think you'd see quite a few complaints how he's betrayed them by revealing it.


He explains his reasoning when Ian asks him.

Jeremy isn't as noble as you want to make him seem, he simply prefers to mind his own business, the explanation he gives is nonsense, everyone forgets that Ian frequents the nightclub where Jeremy works and where Mike works, so sooner or later it would have happened, it's this Jeremy he doesn't take it into account. a good friend for Wade's situation, he would have spoken to Ian precisely to ask what was happening, then Cindy's issue is one of the many paths you can choose, so it may not happen, but Gilliane's issue is part of the common story.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Does anyone also remember the bastard of Jeremy fucking Lena, in the threesome scene with the girl, knowing that Ian likes it, I just remember what you want.

 

[ffive]

Jeremy isn't as noble as you want to make him seem, he simply prefers to mind his own business, the explanation he gives is nonsense, everyone forgets that Ian frequents the nightclub where Jeremy works and where Mike works, so sooner or later it would have happened, it's this Jeremy he doesn't take it into account.

Jeremy isn't the sharpest guy, that's something both Ian and Ivy (and i think Lena too) can notice about him. But it's not really his obligation/concern whether Ian is never going to find out about Gillian and her boyfriend. This is something out of his hands, and not in his power to ensure such a thing. But he can decide not to bother his friend with this information himself right there and then, potentially way before Ian finds this out on his own (if ever), because this is something that is within his power.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Jeremy isn't the sharpest guy, that's something both Ian and Ivy (and i think Lena too) can notice about him. But it's not really his obligation/concern whether Ian is never going to find out about Gillian and her boyfriend. This is something out of his hands. But he can decide not to bother his friend with this information himself right there and then, potentially way before Ian finds this out of his own (if ever), because this is something that is within his power.

I can agree with you, within certain limits, but Jeremy, as I said, doesn't consider Ian meeting Gillane one of those evenings right where he and Mike work, on the contrary, I think that on that occasion, if I were Ian, I would be really pissed off at Jeremy.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Yeah, I can't stand Jeremy. In the scene where Ian is in the bar with him and some girls and Jeremy is away, you have the option to tell them that he has is seeing someone. If you choose not to tell on him, when he comes out, he STILL rats on you and tries to mess up YOUR chance. I initially declined to tell on him, but when he did that, I rolled back and changed and told all about him. I don't do anything to please that guy... he's a womanizer who will stab you in the back the first chance he gets. Wayne (or whatever his name is) and P-P-Perry annoy me as well. They bitch about Cindy and ignore the fact that she is constantly coming to HIS favourite bar and when she wants to try something new, all of a sudden she's bad? Yeah... some of the characters are annoying.

One aspect about all of this is how Lena sleeps with whomever she wants, but if Ian does, it can ruin his relationship with her... is there ANYTHING Lena does that risks Ian turning her down?

Look at a phase of the game, when Lena tells Ian that she opened her profile on Only...., Ian points out that he finds it a bit unfair, Lena complains about this by making a scene and breaking up with Ian because she thinks who judges his behavior to be unethical. so we want to talk about the character Lena,

 

[ffive]

I can agree with you, within certain limits, but Jeremy, as I said, doesn't consider Ian meeting Gillane one of those evenings right where he and Mike work, on the contrary, I think that on that occasion, if I were Ian, I would be really pissed off at Jeremy.

Oh, certainly. It's perfectly reasonable for Ian to feel angry or hurt when he finds out, that's pretty much his reaction to it in the game after all, too. I just think Jeremy can be given benefit of the doubt he genuinely meant well there and wasn't keeping this to himself out of malice or neglect.

 

[Birdnman993]

If I have to do a serious analysis, examining the two characters, it is logical to want Ian to have more beautiful endings, considering that he is mostly a good boy, the opposite of Lena, who as she herself underlines several times, has the great the advantage of messing up one's life is always finding oneself in unpleasant situations, so everything that happens to him, and his shitty life, is the right cause of his choices. reading the two profiles, we can point out that Ian is the good guy in the story and Lena is the bad guy.

It is a little unfair to call Lena bad considering all the difficulties she has to face, such as helping her family, paying the bills and keeping her job in an economic crisis, having to play along with Robert to keep her job longer. and then if you refuse to continue being the old man's "muse" with an air of superiority that ruins her job opportunities, forcing her to have to do whatever she can to stay afloat and as a cherry on the cake they raise her salary. rent and mother's expenses, not to mention her circle of "friends" around her who are not the healthiest, and yet she manages to help the cafeteria not to close and holly to have more confidence in herself, So in my opinion it is justified for her to not know what she wants and to seek relief from all the stress that surrounds her, obviously where Lena sets her moral limits depends on us.

 

[grahegri]

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[Hatsume Kill]

Holy fuck guys this is a porn game about people fucking each other. It's not that deep lmao. Stop trying to project your puritan bullshit morality on what's right and wrong for fictional characters. It's porn with a story. That's it. Stop getting your panties in bunch because your projected fake 2D girlfriend got taken to pound town in a dingy bathroom but you still fapped anyways with your shame boner and now gotta rush to the F95 forums to try and restore your fragile masculinity.