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Nifferman

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KOTOR is a straightforward fairy tale story in the style of the original trilogy. There's a chosen one, he takes the standard monomythic hero path for the second time in his life and defeats the antagonist. I love KOTOR, but the plot here is pretty simple and uncomplicated, not that it raises any themes. But KOTOR 2, on the other hand, is a pretty mature story with philosophical reflections on the nature of conflict, culture, etc.

Jade Empire is also quite simple, but that's more due to the chosen setting. The Eastern school of philosophy puts the content above the form, so it looks very superficial.

I agree with Origins, no complaints here, strong near-medieval setting and multidimensional plot.
Well agree jade empire n Kotor might have a straightforward plot but an rpg is about choices and how that the protagonist also react to the situation also matters like u can play as an asshole or as a good guy and down forget the plot twist in Kotor and a lotta of game have in depth lore things that happened before the events of the game like skyrim, witcher and mass effect etc are such games
 

BloodyMares

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Stop putting words in my mouth, obviously I was talking about the average product. You can write whatever you want.

Yeah, writing a comic or a movie scene is 100 times more complex than writing a book :FacePalm: Many writers from videogames have tried to write books at some point but somehow those books tend to suck dick big time
Define average then. In my understanding, on average, the writing quality of everything mainstream, be it books, songs, comic books, films or games, is, well, average. It doesn't mean that good writers don't bother with anything "less" than books, but it means that popular products with good writing are freaking rare. You're just biased towards books and don't respect writers in cinematography or gaming industry.

A movie/series has runtime. If your script is too long, some story elements end up on a cutting block and it can take away from the enjoyment of the story. Talented scriptwriters are aware of that, and write in a way that would be ideal for a 2-hour movie, or a 10/13-episode series. And role-playing games with player choice have to account for many storylines that can diverge because of player's action. Regular book writers never have to worry about such thing as player agency. Even simple games' narratives can be brilliant by blending storytelling with player experience, connecting the story with game mechanics through ludonarrative.

But sure, "writing books takes more skill" said not a single experienced writer.
 
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when I start the game, it loads (with the red bar at the bottom) and as soon as it finishes, the game does not start.
among other things, I was playing with it until recently
paste log file report:

Tue Jun 28 17:33:43 2022
Windows-10
Ren'Py 7.4.10.2178


Bootstrap to the start of init.init took 0.19s
Early init took 0.01s
Loader init took 0.04s
Loading error handling took 0.24s
Loading script took 25.23s
 

Ragnar

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Define average then. In my understanding, on average, the writing quality of everything mainstream, be it books, songs, comic books, films or games, is, well, average. It doesn't mean that good writers don't bother with anything "less" than books, but it means that popular products with good writing are freaking rare. You're just biased towards books and don't respect writers in cinematography or gaming industry.

A movie/series has runtime. If your script is too long, some story elements end up on a cutting block and it can take away from the enjoyment of the story. Talented scriptwriters are aware of that, and write in a way that would be ideal for a 2-hour movie, or a 10/13-episode series. And role-playing games with player choice have to account for many storylines that can diverge because of player's action. Regular book writers never have to worry about such thing as player agency. Even simple games' narratives can be brilliant by blending storytelling with player experience, connecting the story with game mechanics through ludonarrative.

But sure, "writing books takes more skill" said not a single experienced writer.
Saying that water is wet is not being biased. I said it already but I repeat, stop putting words in my mouth.
I made a tier list of writers' quality on average. Nothing more nothing less.
The average videogame has bad writing. Even highly regarded games for their writing have a polarizing reaction among players.

But let's go back to the beginning of the issue here.
We are talking about amateur porn vns, not about Bioware, Hollywood or whatever. So excuse me if I find strange when someone says these games have top tier writing.
I think the best writing in porn VNs can be serviceable or funny, but I wouldn't say it's better than the average book.
 

BloodyMares

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We are talking about amateur porn vns, not about Bioware, Hollywood or whatever. So excuse me if I find strange when someone says these games have top tier writing.
I think the best writing in porn VNs can be serviceable or funny, but I wouldn't say it's better than the average book.
Well, duh, same as you don't usually see the art of top-tier AAA quality in these types of games. Because there's still stigma. Adult games are considered to be guilty pleasure for a reason and all of them are indie projects with next to no budget. If you're talented enough to work on a game, chances are, you want to be able to show your work to more people, and make your game mainstream and hopefully get noticed.

But then again, your point is highlighting the difference in quality between books and not-books, not mainstream and porn. Can you name some written X-rated erotica that in your opinion has the top-tier writing that is not seen in erotic films? Since you're saying that on average books are better, you should be able to name quite a few.
 

ekroniuk

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It is pretty common for movies/series bo be based on books. Although sometimes it works the other way around it is rare (and I can't recall any really good book that was based on the movie).

The same is true for movies/games, most attempts to create films based on games ended pretty badly.

For me it supports the theory that writing in books is generally superior than in movies
 

Ragnar

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Well, duh, same as you don't usually see the art of top-tier AAA quality in these types of games. Because there's still stigma. Adult games are considered to be guilty pleasure for a reason and all of them are indie projects with next to no budget. If you're talented enough to work on a game, chances are, you want to be able to show your work to more people, and make your game mainstream and hopefully get noticed.

But then again, your point is highlighting the difference in quality between books and not-books, not mainstream and porn. Can you name some written X-rated erotica that in your opinion has the top-tier writing that is not seen in erotic films? Since you're saying that on average books are better, you should be able to name quite a few.
You can start with Justine by Sade if you want to read good porn. And that was written centuries ago.
 
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Chapter 10 weekly status report (8)


Quick status update.

As always, I can't explain in too much detail what I've been working on without spoiling too much. I've been focusing on the writing maybe a bit too much, and pushing forward with that began to feel difficult, but I really wanted to make progress. I've found out it's better to switch to art related tasks when that happens, so that way I still get the feeling of pushing the workload forward and I get to clear my head for a bit. I'll do that during this coming week, focusing on writing but breaking it up to draw and edit some scenes.

Here you can see the final result of an image of Emma previously shown. What do you guys think?

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Also, if you are curious about anything in particular and want to ask questions or give me tips on what to talk about in these weekly status reports, feel free to let me know in the comments. I think that way I can come up with more interesting posts to keep you informed!
If Emma is going to look like this I might have to cuck Perry
 

Night Hacker

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The last proper story update has been 8m ago but I am patiently waiting for Cindy's corruption in the story. I'm fairly sure like GGGB there will be hybrid endings for each characters accordingly.
Ummm... Ian already had sex with Cindy... twice. Once in the alley, the second time in the last update in Wade and her home after her photoshoot, if you played your cards right anyhow.
 

BloodyMares

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Ummm... Ian already had sex with Cindy... twice. Once in the alley, the second time in the last update in Wade and her home after her photoshoot, if you played your cards right anyhow.
If I were to guess, the poster probably meant Axel's influence on Cindy. Or seeing how Cindy's cheating with Ian impacts her relationship with Wade.
 

CoalPhelps

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It is pretty common for movies/series bo be based on books. Although sometimes it works the other way around it is rare (and I can't recall any really good book that was based on the movie).

The same is true for movies/games, most attempts to create films based on games ended pretty badly.

For me it supports the theory that writing in books is generally superior than in movies
Um, no? First of all, there are quite good books on the movies. Read Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover. Secondly, the problem with game/movie novelizations and book/game adaptations is not the superiority of any one art form, but that they require a slightly different perspective in creation and their key techniques are integral to the quality of the work. Well, and the fact that novelizations are often not written by professional writers.

Thus, books use imagination, and one of the reasons books are popular is to create images of characters and places in the reader's mind, which is often seen in the way fans are disappointed in the cast of actors, because they do not correspond to the sum of the images in the reader's mind. That is, personal perception is an integral part of a quality literary work and the attempted "forced" rendering in screen adaptations often spoils this effect.

The main element of cinema, accordingly, is the audiovisual component, including the nuances of camerawork, the selection of lighting to match the mood of the scene, etc. A quality novelization can retain some of these impressions through good literary language and the conveyance of mood through the descriptions and thoughts of the characters and the small details in their actions.

The most indispensable element of games is obviously their interactivity. The player is directly in the midst of all the events and his actions somehow have some effect on the world around him, which multiplies the immersion in the action on the screen. When creating a novelization/movie adaptation, the author is limited to choosing certain actions, certain paths, so often other characters are chosen as protagonists, which may simply not interest fans, because they do not have the same connection that is established with the protagonist of the game.
 
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Guys, does someone have the site where Eva pays for the background art?
Just wanna see if there's some spoiler


No new backgrounds there, it seems. They had Axel’s apartment and Seymour’s office visible way before they appeared in the game, but those backgrounds might have been made even before the first episode was released. Any additional backgrounds now are probably made just before the episode they appear in, and my guess is the designers are less likely to upload additional backgrounds when they already have lots of them to present their work on the project. But absolutely worth to check in on now and then to see if something might show up.
 
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