VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Solomon Grundy]

Yeah.... you're right, how dare i question her, i'm such a crybaby, i have no right, i should just stfu and ignore the problem... because apparently i'm only allowed an opinion if i'm a patreon... HELL NO! this thread exists so that everyone can share their thoughts, if you don't like what i'm saying (and i respect that btw) you can go ahead and block me or whatever.

Except that's not what I said. What I was mocking you for is your insinuation that the Patrons need to change their behavior because you think they should. That's not up to you, they are allowed to spend their money however they choose, telling them otherwise is some next level hubris. And in any event, you're making an entirely flawed assumption that if people who do support her currently stopped doing so, it would somehow cause her to work faster. Maybe, but it's also entirely possible that she'd get frustrated, burned out, and quit entirely. Or it might not change anything at all.

You just have no way of knowing, so banging on about what the Patrons "should" do or "need" to do is just self serving, and ultimately silly.

This guy and Geralt guy are literally competing who can suck off the dev harder.

I wanted to join the Patreon but people here said there hasn't been any new content in 7 months. Even at the lowest tier (2 dollars a month) that would be 14 dollars just so people could complain about the game. It's a lose-lose situation.

Are you really going to force people to spend money on something they don't like and something they don't think its worth 14 bucks, just so they could criticize it? What if someone pays for a month? Are they only "allowed" to talk badly about that game for that one month?

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

I don't recall ever once claiming someone needs to be a Paton to be critical, and I haven't even meant to imply that. What I have said, repeatedly, is that spouting out the same gripe, typically from the same people, over and over is pointless. If you go into any forum, on any topic, and the best you can do is say, essentially, "+1 man!!", then you aren't adding anything whatsoever of value to the conversation and yes, that irritates me.

 

[sztrb]

I mean theres clear boundary between expressing our disappointment to the game or just pure hates... most of it is just pure hates like they just critizes and bashed the dev without giving any solutions at all, i think we will accept it if the person give the solution for the problem, cuz why not, but like i said again, most of it is just pure hates on the dev.

The reason he/she compares this game to Summertime saga, because if you just google it by yourself, Summertime saga is the only game in this site that can be called AAA games on budget/money they collected up until now, cuz the money they collected up until now is at least surpassed 3mil dollar (And thats only the bare minimum) but the content in every updates is so little if we compares it to the money they got between every updates and its also contains a lot of bugs, and the bugs from previous updates not even gone yet so it keeps on increasing.

And if we compares it to what eva got (maybe around 10-15k a month) we got more content and theres so little number of bugs that sometimes we dont even encounter one of them in every playthrough, and from this point, its argueable that the content that we got in every updates, its still kinda worth the money she receive from every updates, of course some of you wont think the same, but thats the reality.

And most of the user in this thread plays the game for free and doesnt supports Eva at all in her patreon (i also included), so the only person who has the rights, to critizes Eva is her patron, cuz they are the one who spends their own money and keep this project alive.

If we want to expresses our disappointment, at least give the solutions to it, not just hates and bashing on the dev cuz the release its not as fast as you want, if you guys is her patron, then complaints on her patreon, not here

Not to mention that each update kaiboshes progress.

 

[BloodyMares]

I wanted to join the Patreon but people here said there hasn't been any new content in 7 months.

People lie to sell their narrative and earn upvotes (no other reason for that). The latest release was 3 months ago.

 

[BlackIsBetter]

People lie to sell their narrative and earn upvotes (no other reason for that). The latest release was 3 months ago.

Wasn't that a Remaster? So no new content, just old one updated?

 

[BlackIsBetter]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

I don't recall ever once claiming someone needs to be a Paton to be critical, and I haven't even meant to imply that. What I have said, repeatedly, is that spouting out the same gripe, typically from the same people, over and over is pointless. If you go into any forum, on any topic, and the best you can do is say, essentially, "+1 man!!", then you aren't adding anything whatsoever of value to the conversation and yes, that irritates me.

Ignoring the unnecessary insult, It should be bothering you, especially if you are paying for the game. I cannot imagine someone paying this much money for this little content. Also, people on here have multiple times said that "You don't pay for the game = You are irrelevant."

 

[JoJoPool]

Except that's not what I said. What I was mocking you for is your insinuation that the Patrons need to change their behavior because you think they should. That's not up to you, they are allowed to spend their money however they choose, telling them otherwise is some next level hubris. And in any event, you're making an entirely flawed assumption that if people who do support her currently stopped doing so, it would somehow cause her to work faster. Maybe, but it's also entirely possible that she'd get frustrated, burned out, and quit entirely. Or it might not change anything at all.

You just have no way of knowing, so banging on about what the Patrons "should" do or "need" to do is just self serving, and ultimately silly.


Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

I don't recall ever once claiming someone needs to be a Paton to be critical, and I haven't even meant to imply that. What I have said, repeatedly, is that spouting out the same gripe, typically from the same people, over and over is pointless. If you go into any forum, on any topic, and the best you can do is say, essentially, "+1 man!!", then you aren't adding anything whatsoever of value to the conversation and yes, that irritates me.

That's not what i said, you seem to think that i'm encouraging patreons to hate on the dev because i'm jealous or whatever but that's not true, i used to support Eva myself but had to stop because of my financial situation.
I simply asked that the patreons have a civilized discussion with the dev, express their concerns and talk about the issues surrounding the development.... because obviously no one is saying anything.

 

[jimul18]

I don't think this "here on a piracy forum" all arguments towards problems or discussions on the Patreon of a creator are automatically invalid and we are all just a bunch of whining leeches is an easy copout. I assume that the vast majority of supporters on Patreon are at least in some way active here or have found the game through this site or similiar (but of course worse) sites. Especially given the fact that the games are not on Steam and the itch.io stuff came way later.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

This guy and Geralt guy are literally competing who can suck off the dev harder.

Ignoring the unnecessary insult

Cute.

It should be bothering you, especially if you are paying for the game. I cannot imagine someone paying this much money for this little content. Also, people on here have multiple times said that "You don't pay for the game = You are irrelevant."

I'm not a Patron. I am also not "people on here [who] have multiple times said that "You don't pay for the game = You are irrelevant."" Last, the criticism over dev time doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is the needless repeating of it. Okay, point made, development is slow. We all know that. So at this point it's just pointless bitching, and that's what I find irritating.

Wait or don't, that's up to you. Pay or don't, also up to you. Just for the love of all that is sacred, stop beating dead horses.

That's not what i said, you seem to think that i'm encouraging patreons to hate on the dev because i'm jealous or whatever but that's not true

You are correct, that's exactly how I took the post I was referring to.

because obviously no one is saying anything.

I don't think this is obvious in any way. A member of her dev team is active in this very thread. In fact, I would say it's obvious that they are acutely aware of the concern.

People love to throw out their "simple" solutions, but if it were simple I'm fairly certain they would have done it already. There are absolutely devs out there who are lazy and greedy, full stop, agree 100%. If you think EvaKiss is one of them, then you should probably move on to something else, because if you're right, then no amount of concern trolling is going to change that.

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation with both of you, it has dragged on far too long already. Have a good day.

 

[Brazilian Engrish]

The trolls attack again. Oh god.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The trolls attack again. Oh god.

Don't argue Just click the "Report" button

 

[mommysboiii]

I can already smell the mod purge

 

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[BlackIsBetter]

Love all the folk not understanding how complex writing is, and the more complex it gets the more layers you build upon - such as building a VN with choices that change the story. Do I think Eva is out of her league? A bit. I think GGGB was a great start, but I don't think ORS should've been her second game. I feel she would've had greater success doing a 1-protag game again before attempting a 2-protag game. Or even something simple as while working on a simpler game, work on the plotting for said 2-protag game.

I think she's just over-stressed from being too deep in a project too complex for her level of writing, and thus doesn't know exactly the best way to continue.

I think the issue would be solved if the dev focused solely on the writing. Let other people do the art, coding, testing and whatnot while they focus on telling the story.

Of course that would mean less money for the dev but the time it takes for an update wouldn't jump from 2 months to 5 months. Who knows, maybe the growth of Patreon subscriber count starts picking up and the revenue picks up as well.

But I guess her Patrons are happy with how things are currently. I don't see anyone complaining about it in her last post. Then again, that might just be due to the fact that post is locked and you can't post any comments.

 

[Pede rasta 1]

I think the issue would be solved if the dev focused solely on the writing. Let other people do the art, coding, testing and whatnot while they focus on telling the story.

Of course that would mean less money for the dev but the time it takes for an update wouldn't jump from 2 months to 5 months. Who knows, maybe the growth of Patreon subscriber count starts picking up and the revenue picks up as well.

But I guess her Patrons are happy with how things are currently. I don't see anyone complaining about it in her last post. Then again, that might just be due to the fact that post is locked and you can't post any comments.

im happy, i dont see any problem at all.

 

[reyir]

Ignoring the unnecessary insult, It should be bothering you, especially if you are paying for the game. I cannot imagine someone paying this much money for this little content. Also, people on here have multiple times said that "You don't pay for the game = You are irrelevant."

"You don't pay for the game = You are irrelevant." that statement is true, its like when you go to restaurant and buying food there, you had every right to expresses your disappointment to the restaurant, if you think your food is not good, but the reality theres near zero complaint received... but theres also someone who barged into the restaurant and steal the food from there and then the next day come to the restaurant and shout "The food its not good! how dare you sell this food for this amount of money! " and all that bullshit, they act like they spends money on that food when the reality is they just steal it and being really shameless after that, if you still dont understand until now, i dont know how to tell you

If you think that its to much money, then you are not their market target, theres people think 10 euro its a very little amount of money, but theres also someone who think 1 euro is a big amount of money, both of them its true and its as simple as that, are you even go to school before this, cuz you dont even know the most basic thing in economic

 

[BloodyMares]

Wasn't that a Remaster? So no new content, just old one updated?

There was new content within Remaster. It's called Remaster, but in reality it's revision with a lot of changes to the narrative and gameplay. There were a quite a bit of completely new art pieces, not just updates to existing ones.

 

[BloodyMares]

I think the issue would be solved if the dev focused solely on the writing. Let other people do the art, coding, testing and whatnot while they focus on telling the story.

Okay, but what people? I can't even find the people that would write updates to character bios. I had quite a bit of volunteers, sure, but most of them disappeared and have not been active. It's one thing to say you want to contribute, but when it comes to that, very few stay and commit to their words. Testing is mostly done exclusively by me and Lara, and we're way overcommitted as it is. If you happen to know talented people that would like to work on the game, then go ahead, send them our way. But I doubt anyone would stick around for even a couple of months.

 

[_Zebra_]

"You don't pay for the game = You are irrelevant." that statement is true, its like when you go to restaurant and buying food there, you had every right to expresses your disappointment to the restaurant, if you think your food is not good, but the reality theres near zero complaint received... but theres also someone who barged into the restaurant and steal the food from there and then the next day come to the restaurant and shout "The food its not good! how dare you sell this food for this amount of money! " and all that bullshit..."

There is a small problem with your analogy. So you have a restaurant that sells burgers, but you also have a park where like minded individuals gather to consume and to discuss about food.

The thing is in that in this park everyone can consume anything they want: burgers, stakes, sushi, you name it. Now the park is a big place so let's concentrate on the corner in which the burger eating people gather. Everyone has tasted the burger. Is it wrong to say, that anyone can comment about the quality of the salad or to comment about the time it takes to grill the meat? I personally don't believe it is. In the park everyone is equal and entitled to their own opinion. It doesn't matter if the burger was obtained directly from the burger shop or it was obtained from the cool guy that sits under a tree with a beer in his hand. What is important is that everyone tasted that delicious burger.

This part was simple. Now let's go back to your statement. What you are saying is that the people that bought the burger from the burger shop are the only people allowed to have a voice in the park. That is so wrong. You simply can not go in a different community and start telling people what they are allowed to do or not to do. You go there and if you don't agree with an opinion, you polity discuss about it with arguments. The fact that you know that you have a receipt, in a place where a receipt doesn't matter is not an argument. Now if that does not work and you find everyone from the park annoying as hell, than you leave. Go in the restaurant and talk with other customers.

And last but not least, if we are talking about the restaurant, than you are correct. Only customers can go in the restaurant and express their worries and concerns.

I feel like you deserve a burger, so here is one:

 

[PurpleDude]

I`m curious. Do you think that Eva`s decision to remaster ORS was influenced by her friend RedLolly, developer of Lust Campus? Firts RedLollry starts remastering LC, then Eva remasters ORS. Any connection?

 

[Canto Forte]

I think that many devs working their games as a whole all the time can cave into their craft,
as in the motivation this dev told is a pretty standard explanation for everyone else doing it:
She got better at it and wants a more inclusive experience demonstrating her craft,
why would she let what now seem to her
half assed pics in the early game, when she wants this game to shine?

I`m curious. Do you think that Eva`s decision to remaster ORS was influenced by her friend RedLolly, developer of Lust Campus? Firts RedLollry starts remastering LC, then Eva remasters ORS. Any connection?

She could a picked any number of devs who already do this, case in pint nottravis who is a girl stuck
in remaster, remake, retool game making machinery for years