VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

But for the players who are the lovers of immersive games/AVNs.. this game isn't a good one to begin with..

I don't know about it; i don't have any real trouble immersing myself in both Ian's and Lena's stories. And i appreciate a lot i have some serious input on how their stories and personalities actually develop, vs getting very limited hand to play with from the game writer.

 

[desmosome]

Some questions about this as I haven't really gotten to playing through all the paths.

Now I know that while playing the drinking game at Ivy's place, Jeremy will "brocode" and back out when Lena gets ready to blow him, if Ian tells Jeremy beforehand that he loves Lena.
Understandable. Similarly this will also lock off the "waking Jeremy up" scene.

But what if you're on a route where Lena reciprocates both Louise and Ian's feelings, eg. having a sexual relationship with Louise and Ian. Obviously Louise and Jeremy don't officially break up yet in the game I think, they always somehow seem to be together, but my question is does the threesome still go through? Doesn't Jeremy have anything to say about that?

Added food for thought, does Jeremy reject the idea outright if he knows that Ian is faithful or does Jeremy not give a fuck about Ian if he saw Ian with Cindy. This is indeed a pretty interesting flowchart of events and decisions.

I'd really like to know that if Jeremy-Lena-Louise still happens in a faithful Ian and unfaithful Lena route.

In case no one answered you, Jeremy does call the brocode and back out. Or tries to at least. This scene happens on Lena's route, so you control her actions. If you've been picking choices that give her the BBC kink, and taking drugs before this scene also helps, you can spend a will point to press the issue and Jeremy will give in. You get a BJ here.

Later on, you can go into Jeremy's room and bang him, but this action will lock you out of being an official couple with Ian. If you don't bang him here, you can "commit" to Ian (if his side also meets the conditions) and become a couple. Then, you can do some sexting with Jeremy, bang Axel during the photoshoot, do some Seymour stuff, masturbate to other dudes, do some lesbian stuff with Ivy/Holly, keep banging Mike secretly, and finally, do the Jeremy x Louise x Lena threesome. That is the Lena cheating route. Robert and Stan can be thrown in there too AFAIK.

 

[camube]

le with Ian. If you don't bang him here, you can "commit" to Ian (if his side also meets the conditions) and become a couple. Then, you can do some sexting with Jeremy, bang Axel during the photoshoot, do some Seymour stuff, masturbate to other dudes, do some lesbian stuff with Ivy/Holly, keep banging Mike secretly, and finally, do the Jeremy x Louise, Lena threesome. That is the Lena cheating route. Robert and Stan can be thrown in there too AFAIK.

i really don't know and can't imagine the choices to do what you wrote without walkthrough, lol

 

[Lemix]

of course iam right, you didnt get the scene cause she didnt get drugged by ivy, ivy didnt drugged her in your playthrough cause she doesnt care to push Holly... try it out, encourage her to be like Ivy, and you will see, Holly still hesitates all the time, but if she gets pushed she will do as ivy wants... and in the club ivy gives her something. Its totally obvious in the scene that she did something with her dring, Ivy even makes a "subtle" hint at that herself.

I always pushed her tho, the only time i didnt and "let her decide" was in the club a the end, so if Ivy does something with her drink she only does it if Holly herself already agreed to pursue the dude, probably to loose her up a bit since she is so shy.
So i dont think its as malicious as you guys make it out to be, if she does not agree to fuck him in the club, she does not get drugged, there is also a possibility that the dude himself does it.

 

[Atlon18]

ED Scenes?

 

[mradfre]

ED Scenes?

Ed is nfc (non-fuckable character).

 

[ffive]

So i dont think its as malicious as you guys make it out to be, if she does not agree to fuck him in the club, she does not get drugged, there is also a possibility that the dude himself does it.

Or, with both of them knowing she isn't going to his place to browse his stamp collection he asks her for some, pardon the wording, headstart, and she agrees. Heavens forbid an easily pressured adult wanting to break out her shell consented to put her lips on a cock.

 

[Canto Forte]

This is very much malicious. The game affords you the push,
like any madam would coerce her whore to do it with the bull she approoves of.
Ivy attempts it with Lena, we can eithe let it unfold or not.
Holly never gets the chance once we push her.

Like you said, the push is never from Ian, her actual mate,
but from madams looking to whore her out and make her the meat sleeve
for literal nobodies she does not even know herself.
Remember, Ivy works with Jeremy and has never done him any favor for weeks,
despite carrying around his dick pick and showing it to Lena and/or Louise,
but in the span of this game, we can push Holly right into sex with total strangers.
This is just to let you know the NTR whore Ivy and the NTR bull Jeremy are plot armored.

its as malicious as you guys make it out to be

I always pushed her

Or, with both of them knowing she isn't going to his place to browse his stamp collection he asks her for some, pardon the wording, headstart, and she agrees. Heavens forbid an easily pressured adult wanting to break out her shell consented to put her lips on a cock.

Like you said, you have the options to be a total piece of shit and send some broad
into disgusting whoring spiral of self loathing and loss of self esteem,
as Lena for herself and Holly, while with Ian you need to grind it out like mad,
actually making her feel appreciated.
Hell, even Lena puts in the work, your choices will settle the score if she is just some whore for you
and you whore her out just because you can, or not.

 

[Doppelgang]

There's just one way to get a point so far. Ian has to be awkward in the first Ch10 Ian/Lena sex scene, selecting "One of the best?" Joining her Stalkerfap in earlier chapters unlocks some of the scenarios that implement use of the stat in a few scenes, mainly in the final Ian/Lena Stalkerfap shoot. It's likely a requirement for that route. I'd have to double-check the code, though. Went through a lot of other items in the scripts yesterday.

Thanks! I would've expected Ian's possible "It turns me on" comment about Stalkfap to also be a part of it, but that seems to be the healthier version where Ian can like Lena's exhibitionism, without necessarily pushing it further than that, and they'll both know where the other stand. While "One of the best?" and the ian_cuck variable is linked to a conflicted and insecure Ian, rather than a willing and completely content cuck. That's my immediate impression, at least.

I finally had a look at the script and tried to make sense of it, and noticed that there's even some alternative dialogue for the ian_lena_sex = false variable in both these scenes with Ian, where Lena seems to be teasing him and humiliating him even more. Pretty dark. But that might just be available if they're not in a relationship—at least it used to be a point in the story where they had to have sex to progress their relationship.

 

[Lemix]

This is very much malicious. The game affords you the push,
like any madam would coerce her whore to do it with the bull she approoves of.
Ivy attempts it with Lena, we can eithe let it unfold or not.
Holly never gets the chance once we push her.

Like you said, the push is never from Ian, her actual mate,
but from madams looking to whore her out and make her the meat sleeve
for literal nobodies she does not even know herself.
Remember, Ivy works with Jeremy and has never done him any favor for weeks,
despite carrying around his dick pick and showing it to Lena and/or Louise,
but in the span of this game, we can push Holly right into sex with total strangers.
This is just to let you know the NTR whore Ivy and the NTR bull Jeremy are plot armored.




Like you said, you have the options to be a total piece of shit and send some broad
into disgusting whoring spiral of self loathing and loss of self esteem,
as Lena for herself and Holly, while with Ian you need to grind it out like mad,
actually making her feel appreciated.
Hell, even Lena puts in the work, your choices will settle the score if she is just some whore for you
and you whore her out just because you can, or not.

Are you some kind of parody account or something?
How is encouraging a girl to be more open is "whoring" her?
Does Jeremy even fucks anyone in the game at all if you go full Alison and encourage Perry to be with Emma?
Oh he fucks his "girlfriend" right? The one you can "steal" from him and make her your BDSM "pet"...
So he is pretty much celibate in the game if you want it to happen, how strange for some NTR bull...
Just remember, with every "facepalm" you trow at people somewhere in the world NTR bull is born, dont say i didnt warn you.

 

[cheesetriangles]

This is very much malicious. The game affords you the push,
like any madam would coerce her whore to do it with the bull she approoves of.
Ivy attempts it with Lena, we can eithe let it unfold or not.
Holly never gets the chance once we push her.

Like you said, the push is never from Ian, her actual mate,
but from madams looking to whore her out and make her the meat sleeve
for literal nobodies she does not even know herself.
Remember, Ivy works with Jeremy and has never done him any favor for weeks,
despite carrying around his dick pick and showing it to Lena and/or Louise,
but in the span of this game, we can push Holly right into sex with total strangers.
This is just to let you know the NTR whore Ivy and the NTR bull Jeremy are plot armored.




Like you said, you have the options to be a total piece of shit and send some broad
into disgusting whoring spiral of self loathing and loss of self esteem,
as Lena for herself and Holly, while with Ian you need to grind it out like mad,
actually making her feel appreciated.
Hell, even Lena puts in the work, your choices will settle the score if she is just some whore for you
and you whore her out just because you can, or not.

You have some real fucked up issues with women, huh.

 

[Canto Forte]

Girls are the most beautiful wonderful fantastic mates on the planet.
How they choose their mates, here comes the disgusting part.

How is encouraging a girl to be more open

Ian never gets the choices and Lena never gets the choices either,
all throughout the many early chapters of going out with her either together or
in pairs. All those come up much later, only as a scripted club interaction,
as a cheap whore remedy to give players the reason to pretend to be total pieces of shit
when they push a girl to put out with total strangers right off the bat.

Lena has been going out with her on dates a lot, Ian meets her daily,
but you only get the depraved whore her out choices in the club of mindless fkkery.

Ian only dates the girls in his group,
the same girls he runs away from in the very beginning of the game,
with the cheap excuse: because he is heartbroken by his breakup.
Those girls know him and even the girls they bring, Cherry for instance,
Ian gets to make choices for being with her despite other girls, like Alison.

Holly being pushed in the only asshole who shows up,
in the same manner Ivy is springing the DJ on Lena in their first club outing,
that is what is fkked up, because in stark contrast, the whore Ivy is funnily enough
not whoring around unless it is her designated trope of being the NTR whore,
only then when we find out she is the NTR whore stealing Jeremy from Louise,
only then any sex is going on for her.
NRT whore Ivy has a very speciffic role and scripted appearences in the story.

Lena is hurt outta her mind in the beginning of this game by Axel,
Axel NEVER APPOLOGISES, NEVER SAYS ANYTHING TO CONQUER LENA,
we have the distinct choice to THROW LENA IN HIS DIRECTION WITH NOTHING TO SUGGEST THE ACTUAL CHARACTER LENA WOULD EVER APPROVE. Yet gamers do it
smiling, happy to act like total pieces of shit making her do that.

You have some real fucked up issues with women, huh.

Women are the reason to play adult games, this game in particular ever more.

 

[Lemix]

Girls are the most beautiful wonderful fantastic mates on the planet.
How they choose their mates, here comes the disgusting part.


Ian never gets the choices and Lena never gets the choices either,
all throughout the many early chapters of going out with her either together or
in pairs. All those come as a cheap whore remedy to give players the reason to be total pieces of shit when they puch a girl to put out with total strangers right off the bat.
Lena has been going out with her on dates a lot, Ian meets her daily,
but you only get the depraves whore her out choices in the club of midless whores.

Ian only dates the girls in his group, the same girls he runs away from in the very beginning of the game because he is heartbroke by his breakup.
Those girls know him and even the girls they bring, Cherry for instance,
Ian gets to make choices for being with her despite other girls, like Alison.

Holly being pushed in the only asshole who shows up, like Ivy stringing the DJ on Lena,
that is what is fkked up, because in stark contrast, the whore Ivy is funnily enough
not whoring around unless it is her designed trope of NTR whore, only then when we find out she is the NTR whore stealing Jeremy from Louise, any sex is going on for her.
NRT whore Ivy has a very speciffic role and scripted appearences in the story.

Lena is husr outta her mind in the beginning of this game by Axel,
Axel NEVER APPOLOGISES, NEVER SAYS ANYTHING TO CONQUER LENA,
we have the distinct choice to THROW LENA IN HIS DIRECTION WITH NOTHING TO SUGGEST THE ACTUAL CHARACTER LENA WOULD EVER APPROVE. Yet gamers do it
smiling, happy to act like total pieces of shit making her do that.
Bro, i just read your first sentence and it made me physically cringe, i hope its a parody account after all.


Women are the reason to play adult games, this game in particular ever more.

Bro, i'm not gonna read all of this, i already figured what kind of stance you have on things, every relationship in the game is optional, you dont have to cuck anyone or whore anyone if you dont want to, why does this bother you so much i dont get.
This is also a porn game, so yea, you have options to do some weird stuff, because its a porn game, i say the weirder the better, so far this is alot more vanilla then GGGB was in terms of content(quality is better tho, alot better imo), but i got the feeling that it will only ramp up at this point.

 

[ffive]

Are you some kind of parody account or something?

Don't be mean to Stan, he's trying his best.

 

[Lemix]

Don't be mean to Stan, he's trying his best.

Girls are the most beautiful wonderful fantastic mates on the planet.
How they choose their mates, here comes the disgusting part.

Even Stan wouldn't say something like that, that definitly some kind of parody account, i hope.

 

[Canto Forte]

This is a good game and Eva has a beautiful mind giving life and gorgeous bodies to her
characters in this astounding game.

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[guest1492]

I checked the last 5 pages and the first 15 pages after the release of the current version and didn't see any mention of these 2 bugs:

chapter10.rpy, line 213
'v7_holly_sex' not defined
I think it should be 'ian_holly_sex' from chapter_7.rpy, line 23242

chapter10.rpy, line 1060
'lena_stalkfap' not defined
I think it should be 'stalkfap' from chapters 3, 5, and all instances of replay code

I'm playing my save from version 0.9 remastered. I have not played any previous versions. In this save, both Ian and Lena are monogamous. Other than that, I can't remember the specific choices since it's been too long since I've played.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Thanks! I would've expected Ian's possible "It turns me on" comment about Stalkfap to also be a part of it, but that seems to be the healthier version where Ian can like Lena's exhibitionism, without necessarily pushing it further than that, and they'll both know where the other stand. While "One of the best?" and the ian_cuck variable is linked to a conflicted and insecure Ian, rather than a willing and completely content cuck. That's my immediate impression, at least.

I finally had a look at the script and tried to make sense of it, and noticed that there's even some alternative dialogue for the ian_lena_sex = false variable in both these scenes with Ian, where Lena seems to be teasing him and humiliating him even more. Pretty dark. But that might just be available if they're not in a relationship—at least it used to be a point in the story where they had to have sex to progress their relationship.

AFAIK, that heavier teasing dialogue is available for both an Ian that hasn't slept with Lena (basically interchangeable with Stan) or an Ian that has slept with Lena but:

1. Subscribed to Lena's Stalkerfap (even dirtier if Lena takes special requests from patrons)
and
2. Ian has shown insecurity to get that cuck tag with "one of the best?".

I think it was also the right design decision to not to award a cuck variable for "it turns me on" for exactly the reason you stated. There are people who swing or enjoy showing their S/O off without that masochist cuck element involving getting off at the thought of someone better in the sack banging their partner. Using that to add to a cuck variable could invariably yuck those players' yums and spoil the enjoyment of their playthroughs, which isn't great game design. It seems like the "turns me on" selection will be used as a requirement for some of that content though and will surely affect both Ian's reactions and the conflict/peace of their relationship, but won't railroad players into the cuck path. Which is a better way to handle it, imo.

For the effectiveness of that fetish, I also think it's better design kink-wise for it not to be 100% willing at first, which makes that "one of the best?" choice pretty well-designed. Unlike many games of that genre ["Hello honey I wuld like u for to be big slut now." "....Ok!"], intuitively selecting from behaviors based on both insecurity and arousal is more effective in fulfilling the kink, in which some loss of control provides a spicier element. These sort of games are best designed ideally with a little bit of proverbial mind-reading into player psychology.
Though I have a feeling Eva may go too far into some mean-spirited, professional cringe-porn direction, like she did with the awful Eric doormat route at the end of GGGB. At that point, it's not even a relationship. Just abuse. And it's implausible what would keep both characters together without love and respect for each other.

More could've been done for the variable in earlier phone incidents though. A lot of opportunities for Eva to easily do a quick retcon on invisible stats.

 

[Gicoo]

So if you decide to go with Holy on her trip, you miss your chance with blonde girl cindy?

Yes. There is currently no hint that Cindy would be interested in Ian, again. But who knows, maybe later on in the game.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Stan: Bros, I am supposed to be the self deprecating hermit girls hate.
Me be happy they are my flat mates and you throwing them my way,
lemme tell you, they are livid when you do that, but I enjoy it very much.
My mom literally disects me limb from limb for playing this character here,
my girfriend is happy I am totally opposite to what I play in this game and Perry, she hates that self gratifying stupid idiot and his projecting disconsiderate ideas about girls in general.
I can only say Perry weeps every time the shooting stops, because in his private life, he likes to praise girls with all his heart, so delivering the lines that hurt so many female gamers in this game kills him inside.

Unnecessary spoilers removed as the post is still a cryptic-yet-eye-opening riddle without them. Canto Forte.... you fascinate me.