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Doppelgang

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The Chapter 11 Prologue took 2 months to get published (Assuming Chapter 10 Alpha -> Chapter 11 Prologue Alpha). So are you suggesting that rest of the Chapter 11 update will be the same size as the prologue, which is already quite small?

I find it more likely that the prologue is included in the 50% progress starting from Chapter 10 Alpha.
From what Eva's said, it seems that the prologue was something she decided to do while she was planning the whole next chapter. So independent of when the actual writing started, it's likely she had planned most of Chapter 11 before the Prologue was released. If that's the case, it's likely that she'll be able to produce more game content in the same time for the period we're in now.
 

ffive

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The Chapter 11 Prologue took 2 months to get published (Assuming Chapter 10 Alpha -> Chapter 11 Prologue Alpha). So are you suggesting that rest of the Chapter 11 update will be the same size as the prologue, which is already quite small?
No, am not saying anything of the sort. We don't know how much time between release of final Ch.10 and alpha of the Prologue was spent on actual production, as opposed to searching for new artist candidates, experimenting with new techniques etc, mentioned in earlier updates. Or even on a simple holiday break. So it's probably best not to draw too many conclusions from this.

I doubt it, because given the current size of the episodes, how can you write most of the script in 3 weeks and prepare half of the art?
Note, this is roughly how Eva has done on previous chapters, which were pretty comparable with latest releases, size-wise (chapter 10 is an outlier in this regard, being twice as large as the others) It'd take them ~month to produce alpha of each chapter and another to polish it to final version* Now, i don't expect the exact same level of productivity, but it evidently can be done and they've done it multiple times in the past.

*) in later chapters this changes somewhat, to ~2 months for alpha and then 1-2 weeks of polish to final version. Still, overall time spent is similar.
 

Geralt From Rivia

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Note, this is roughly how Eva has done on previous chapters, which were pretty comparable with latest releases, size-wise (chapter 10 is an outlier in this regard, being twice as large as the others) It'd take them ~month to produce alpha of each chapter and another to polish it to final version* Now, i don't expect the exact same level of productivity, but it evidently can be done and they've done it multiple times in the past.

*) in later chapters this changes somewhat, to ~2 months for alpha and then 1-2 weeks of polish to final version. Still, overall time spent is similar.
I've been following the game since the very beginning and I remember that releases came out at the speed of light, but that changed from about chapter 8, 9 and 10 generally turned into long-term construction.
I myself want this to happen faster, and I hope that it will be because Eva has hired a team of assistants, in fact Eva Kiss is now a small indie studio, I try to remain cautiously optimistic. But exact conclusions can be drawn through several reports.
 

Doppelgang

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That's the sort of unrealistic fetish usually relegated to extreme porn or bad erotic writing (fair enough, very common in a lot of badly written games on here). I wouldn't generally call it playful & it's actually the kind of thing I'd rather avoid in these stories, only partially because of that implausibility*. (I mean, if your partner considers you "worthless", why the hell are you together? It takes out all the tension and push/pull dynamic, too. If the relationship isn't worth it, there are no stakes = Not interesting).

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I was thinking more along the lines of her being a big slut "that can't help herself" & playfully teasing about all the big cocks she can't resist filling her up, like some of the dialogue at the end of Chapter 10, which an astute Lena may interpret turns the right kind of Ian on. The turn towards meanness I detect that path heading towards is exactly what I didn't want. Helpless nymphos with a heart of gold, gobbling 10 cocks FTW.
The parenthesis sums it up pretty well for me. If the relevant events/paths of chapter 10 are written to their end in the typical uninventive, everything-has-to-gradually-escalate porn game kind of way, we can expect something similar as in GGGB, with no other reason for them to be together than a sadistic meanness on Lena's part, as you mentioned. (Ian, in his involuntary celibacy, sits in the corner while having a sad wank with his half flaccid cock, as he watches Lena getting gangbanged on the bed again, taking the time now and then to declare how much bigger and better the cocks are than Ian's.)

Chapter 10 suggests that we'll go a certain way in that direction, but I refuse to believe that Eva's spent so much more time to establish the characters and the story if she'll take it to similar extremes again. I don't even care that much exactly how it ends up, I just like the ambivalence and tension in that path—that Ian and Lena are pulled in different directions, as individuals and as a couple.

I think the first Chapter 10 scene with Ian and Lena was close to perfect in that way ("one of the biggest?"). It's not like Ian is dying to hear about Axel's cock while she jerks him off—it's just his insecurity and jealousy that pulls him towards it. If he's watched Lena's Stalkfap content, the idea of Lena as a sexual creature (also without Ian's presence) has established itself in his mind, even if he's conflicted about that as well. Gillian's cheating would naturally also shape his thinking around this stuff.

It's not like Lena either is dying to talk about Axel's cock when she's with Ian, but he represents the benchmark for Lena when it comes to everything sexual. So it's easier than said to keep him out of her thoughts, and when Ian unexpectedly mentions him … she grabs the chance. Even if giving Axel that kind of presence in her new relationship also is something she really doesn't want to.

I'm hoping Eva will keep making use of that friction and ambivalence instead of settling for solutions like the "I just love talking about being fucked by other men while I deny Ian" stuff we saw the outlines of in the next scene. The former could both end in healthy or unhealthy relationships, and could involve both characters doing shitty things to the other. It just wouldn't make Lena mean or without any reflections about what she's doing; and they'd still have reasons to be together, even if some parts of the relationship ends up as dysfunctional.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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The parenthesis sums it up pretty well for me. If the relevant events/paths of chapter 10 are written to their end in the typical uninventive, everything-has-to-gradually-escalate porn game kind of way, we can expect something similar as in GGGB, with no other reason for them to be together than a sadistic meanness on Lena's part, as you mentioned. (Ian, in his involuntary celibacy, sits in the corner while having a sad wank with his half flaccid cock, as he watches Lena getting gangbanged on the bed again, taking the time now and then to declare how much bigger and better the cocks are than Ian's.)

Chapter 10 suggests that we'll go a certain way in that direction, but I refuse to believe that Eva's spent so much more time to establish the characters and the story if she'll take it to similar extremes again. I don't even care that much exactly how it ends up, I just like the ambivalence and tension in that path—that Ian and Lena are pulled in different directions, as individuals and as a couple.

I think the first Chapter 10 scene with Ian and Lena was close to perfect in that way ("one of the biggest?"). It's not like Ian is dying to hear about Axel's cock while she jerks him off—it's just his insecurity and jealousy that pulls him towards it. If he's watched Lena's Stalkfap content, the idea of Lena as a sexual creature (also without Ian's presence) has established itself in his mind, even if he's conflicted about that as well. Gillian's cheating would naturally also shape his thinking around this stuff.

It's not like Lena either is dying to talk about Axel's cock when she's with Ian, but he represents the benchmark for Lena when it comes to everything sexual. So it's easier than said to keep him out of her thoughts, and when Ian unexpectedly mentions him … she grabs the chance. Even if giving Axel that kind of presence in her new relationship also is something she really doesn't want to.

I'm hoping Eva will keep making use of that friction and ambivalence instead of settling for solutions like the "I just love talking about being fucked by other men while I deny Ian" stuff we saw the outlines of in the next scene. The former could both end in healthy or unhealthy relationships, and could involve both characters doing shitty things to the other. It just wouldn't make Lena mean or without any reflections about what she's doing; and they'd still have reasons to be together, even if some parts of the relationship ends up as dysfunctional.
Based on the Ch 11 prologue, the results of GGGB and the streamlining that Eva seems to be starting to get this game complete before we're all AARP members (which, don't get me wrong, is a very reasonable trade-off), I'm quite a bit more pessimistic. Fingers definitely crossed hoping, though.
 

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I kinda like you mate :geek: :giggle: but common I can understand if people are on loving holly path with no drama/corruption or alison path without the tressome or corruption or loyal lena path that they are all over this girls and want a happy ending but I have to be honest cindy is not the one pls there are so many red flags (at the start the scene with the beer,always wants to stay in the middle ,goes on nudes photoshots without telling bf,instantly mad if not getting what she wants,cheating behind bf back ,the pool game if losing,dont instantly break up with her boyfriend and many more....) lets be honest the only reason why guys are all over her are her insanly good looks like the top cheerleader girl on campus but I actually think that cindy is not a good decissions for the romatic/no kinky bois in here(and not every girl has to be) and Ian would deserve consequences for that decission
I'd rather not take the risk. She was happy and fulfilled with Wade, and look at what's been happening now.

This guy gets it. Her super model looks hides an unreasonably petty and selfish girl.
yeah I agree with you she is 100% not the best gf material but I will kinda go for her because I am the I can fix her /simp/loser typ of guy but i kinda exspect what will happen in the future and to be honest Ian deserves that for beaing a shitty friend :BootyTime:maybe wade will get his shit together and knock ians ass out :BootyTime: :BootyTime:
This is why I consider the best girls for him are Lena, Holly, Alison & Cherry. I like Cindy but mainly because she's hot. At least the four girls I mentioned at least have chemistry with Ian on a personal level. Hell, I know Cherry is underrated but I like the moment when she confesses being Alex ex and the whole drama, and I like how the sweet sex scene after.
 

Fibito

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Haven't played since ch10 alpha, but I can't get Lena, Louise, Jeremy Threesome when she is in relationship with Ian.
It did happen in alpha.
Did Eva fix that so threesome route is off the limit with those three if she is in relationship. Or maybe i missed some important choices. I can't get the scene even when Ian suggest experimenting together.

Another thing that is bothering me is that Lena won't suggest Ian threesome in both of those roads for me anyways. Does Lena have to say FFM threesome is her fantasy in drinking game for that to trigger?
 
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Mythos079

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Haven't played since ch10 alpha, but I can't get Lena, Louise, Jeremy Threesome when she is in relationship with Ian.
It did happen in alpha.
Did Eva fix that so threesome route is off the limit with those three if she is in relationship. Or maybe i missed some important choices. I can't get the scene even when Ian suggest experimenting together.
Yes, now you can't get that threesome if Lena and Ian are officially a couple, even an open one.
Another thing that is bothering me is that Lena won't suggest Ian threesome in both of those roads for me anyways. Does Lena have to say FFM threesome is her fantasy in drinking game for that to trigger?
No, the only requirements are:
- Ian and Lena are dating, already had sex and Ian is not a cuck
- They are in an open relationship, Lena Lust is more than 5 or Lena has some Willpower
 

Mfka5

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Yes, now you can't get that threesome if Lena and Ian are officially a couple, even an open one.

No, the only requirements are:
- Ian and Lena are dating, already had sex and Ian is not a cuck
- They are in an open relationship, Lena Lust is more than 5 or Lena has some Willpower
Wait hold on, how do i make it open relationship, i think they are a couple in my playthrough
 

Jjplay

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Hey, I have been playing this game for a while now, and I have downloaded 3 updates each of approx 600mb. If I want to play the new one, but keep my saves, can I transfer the save files? If yes, just copy pasting the "Saves" folder? Or do I need to keep the old versions even with the new updates?

Right now, I download a new update and it automatically has my old saves in it, but I want to remove the old updates if they are redundant.
 

ffive

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Hey, I have been playing this game for a while now, and I have downloaded 3 updates each of approx 600mb. If I want to play the new one, but keep my saves, can I transfer the save files?
You don't need to transfer save files, they're also stored in special OS folder and as such are accessible to all instances of the game. You can simply delete older versions of the game, and keep the most recent one.
 
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Jjplay

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You don't need to transfer save files, they're also stored in special OS folder and as such are accessible to all instances of the game. You can simply delete older versions of the game, and keep the most recent one.
Thanks a ton!
 
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