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What can I say, I like well written stories in porn games that interest me and have some actual sense of a story.
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Sure, i think everyone prefers good than bad, when given choice. But if you truly feel one of better executed porn games is "average or below average" compared to its competitors, then i can only envy you, because it seems you've only experienced the cream of the crop, or managed to successfully block memories of anything that wasn't.
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I would say I'm picky. Half the games here, while visually stunning, or have content I am interested, I don't play because either the story uninterests me or the characters are poorly crafted, or their is a literal fuckton of typos... -shivers-.
For ORS, I'm semi interested, mainly in having Ivy get her due with Ian... And some small interest in Lena-Holly blooming, while naturally cucking Jeremy from Ivy in any manner.
Or, and I'm just throwing a wild thought here, people just disagree with your criticism, or at the very least find it overblown because of your harsh choice of words.
I think your criticism of the characters doesn't make much sense for the kind of story ORS is trying to tell, changing Jeremy to be "nicer" or Seymour and Axel to be more "complex and interesting" (which I don't find them to be particularly lacking there either, I feel any significant increase on their complexity would border on subverting their roles as clear villains) would do nothing for the story of ORS. You could make interesting characters that fit your ideas and build a different story around them, but at that point you're just making a different type of game from the games Eva Kiss wants to make (her appeal has always been the sheer quantity of choices and ways different scenarios can mesh, which, to be workable at the scale of her games, requires relatively predictable characters).
I don't have much of an opinion on the quality of the dialogue in ORS, but I feel that's more of a technical element and good criticism of it needs to be able to point out specific, or at the very least recurring, flaws in Eva's writing. Not vague stuff like "it could be better".
Just try to not take disagreement as a reason to get combative and call people simps, you can feel strongly about things that other people do not, but it does not make your taste more refined than theirs and neither does it make you some kind of free-thinking literary genius.
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This sums it up well (and congrats to your butt on the Poohlitzer). It's good enough, which in itself sets it apart from almost every other similar game. The same applies for the other skills needed to make a game like this: create some kind of art; have the ability to also write scenes that are sexy; some basic coding; more administrative tasks like delegating smaller jobs, setting up platforms to distribute the game, communicating with the followers. It's a weird mix of skills, and most people are probably shit at one or more of them (I definitely am), but I'd say Eva is somewhere between decent and good at most or all. Some characters are a bit one dimensional, some illustrations look less good than others, some paths are less well structured than others. But overall the result is still good (and compared to the average of other porn games, I'd say exceptional).
- Jun 11, 2017
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An option would be nice. Though I can also understand if she cuts certain corners for the route and forces us into something once we've already decided on the cuck route just for the sake of time and making less work for herself. Though ig an easier way would be for only one or 2 scenes having the option to do something a little more extreme or not do it. At least you don't have to worry about any sissification or gay stuff in that route bc I doubt Eva would go there
- Jun 11, 2017
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I feel like I've played a different game if these are peoples complaints. I have a route where Jeremy is a total bro. Not mean at all. And Seymour and Axel, despite obviously being villains, are interesting enough for me. Especially in the (sadly deleted) scene where Axel and Ian were quite friendly at the bar. Also, in most games like this Seymour would've been totally different. You all know the type of character trope I'm talking about. But he's not. All things considered you wouldn't even know he was a bad guy at first glance
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A game could have the hottest characters and fetishes in existence but nothing kills my boner faster than having to decipher what's being said
- Oct 29, 2017
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I was mostly responding to the suggestions Hawkes had made.
Jeremy no matter what is still a bit of a dick in the way he handles things with Louise, otherwise I feel it pretty much takes conscious effort by the player to make him an antagonist/rival of any kind. But either way I think the criticism is more at the lack of character growth. Regardless of how things pan out Jeremy still behaves mostly the same way and learns nothing from his (potential) mistakes. Like I said I think that's just a restriction of the type of games Eva makes, but it is not like it is unrealistic for people to take a long time to really change their ways either. And even then I don't know if I agree that is the case, the shittiest thing Jeremy can do to the protagonists is sleeping with Lena even while knowing Ian had feelings for her, and that only happens in the scenario where Lena didn't warn Louise and didn't get her to break up with Jeremy, which is a scenario where he mostly gets "rewarded" for the "sly" way he handles things with Louise, so why exactly would anyone expect him to be "learning" something from it?
I think Axel and Seymour are good characters with an interesting presentation. The only real criticism I have seen leveraged at them is that ultimately their motives are rather simple and impersonal. Seymour just wants to use his wealth and influence to take advantage of and manipulate people he takes an interest on (in this case Lena), and Axel is just an egomaniac who knows he messed up things with Lena but thinks rules shouldn't apply to him because he believes he is above "normal" people. I have seen people making theories in the past to try to give more personal meaning to the motivations of the villains (i.e people theorizing Seymour is Lena's biological father). While I do think coming up with that kind of stuff is fun, I don't think it is necessary to explain Seymour and Axel's characters, some people really just are obsessive assholes who go above and beyond in messing up with other people for extremely petty reasons. There is a good quote in this regard:
"The souls of emperors and cobblers are cast in the same mold…The same reason that makes us wrangle with a neighbor creates a war betwixt princes."
I don't think Jeremy even sees anything that potentially happens as a mistake -- getting freed of a psycho "girlfriend" is probably a blessing for him, if anything.
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A girlfriend who put out and was more than willing to put out no less. Just wanted time spent with her. Too much to ask? Not really.
Let's not suddenly pretend Louise isn't overly possessive, jealous and driven by wild mood swings just so we can dunk on Jeremy some more. We can get a very good sample of what being in relationship with her is like with Lena.
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Did I stutter and say she was perfect? No. BUT, it's not like he was hard up to get laid. But no... He wants to fuck around with Allison if Ian doesn't show interest, keeps trying to go after Ivy when the dude is caught.
Yeah, Louise is fucked in the head in alot of ways, but she isn't a nun and withholding sex from the guy. IF Jeremy actually TALKED to her and explained on his thoughts and feelings with the relationship and maybe suggested an open relationship of sorts with limits (mainly him not going after Ivy), their relationship might work out.
Oh... wait... never mind... EK would NEVER THINK OF THAT POSSIBLE OUTCOME OR IDEA TO FIX THEIR RELATIONSHIP and would rather have Jeremy keep on cheating scott free... I withdrawl this suggestion.
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Thanks. I was really hoping it was farther along. I really liked Good girl gone bad but I just couldn't get into this one for some reason.
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Man could have literally just broken up with her, or been upfront about the fact he didn't saw their relationship as serious or exclusive when Louise clearly thought otherwise.
Jeremy kept his mouth shut because he was already able to get some with Louise and knew that the moment she realized what he was about that she would dump his ass (at least with how the characters were at the start of the game).
Also he does admit he "messed up" when chatting with Lena some time after Louise breaks up with him, and he also got his balls busted by the boys when the subject comes up in their group of friends ("it wasn't me"). You could argue Jeremy thinks he only messed up by getting caught rather than cheating in the first place, but I don't think he is on that level of sociopathy yet, just a bit shameless and trying to hide under the excuse that it was just a misunderstanding between him and Louise that he didn't correct in time.