VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[seaoflove]

Choose : A fat creepy dude peeping on you or a sexy model girl peeping on you?
Fat creepy dude will make your heart throb, but a sexy model girl will make both your heart and dick throb.

Yeah, you got the answer. Is it fair? Everyone has preferences!

By the way you know that Lena is controlled by the player while Stan is not.

Everyone in the game is controlled by the player. Not just Ian & Lena. Player actions will directly influence other characters, and their outcomes and that will echo into the games world. There are many examples of this.

Jessica will be good or bad Jessica depending on if Lena slept with Robert or Mike or neither.

Holly can be pushed into fucking Ivy, and Mark, and soon Robert, and presumably Stan and you can control if she is confident or not with your words and having join Ivy's pole dancing class or not.

Jeremy can be laying the pipe with Alison, and Emma or neither of them, and he still be with Louise or not depending on player actions. You can tell Ivy to hook up with him or not, and I'm sure that is divided into "He is still with Louise" and "Louise dumped him" which should have very different consequences.

The Van Dykes you can help their shop grow, and flourish or steal from the register and put it under leading to them having very different personalities.

Perry, you can hook him up with Emma or Cherry, or try to help him out with Lena.

Wade & Cindy can stay strong as a couple or be broken up and cheated on depending on how the player plays that.

So, because player choices have such an effect on the outcome of non player characters actions it's unfair to judge any non player character action on it not having been influenced by the player at all. Because that is not entirely accurate.

 

[| Vee |]

Everyone in the game is controlled by the player. Not just Ian & Lena. Player actions will directly influence other characters, and their outcomes and that will echo into the games world. There are many examples of this.

Jessica will be good or bad Jessica depending on if Lena slept with Robert or Mike or neither.

Holly can be pushed into fucking Ivy, and Mark, and soon Robert, and presumably Stan and you can control if she is confident or not with your words and having join Ivy's pole dancing class or not.

Jeremy can be laying the pipe with Alison, and Emma or neither of them, and he still be with Louise or not depending on player actions. You can tell Ivy to hook up with him or not, and I'm sure that is divided into "He is still with Louise" and "Louise dumped him" which should have very different consequences.

The Van Dykes you can help their shop grow, and flourish or steal from the register and put it under leading to them having very different personalities.

Perry, you can hook him up with Emma or Cherry, or try to help him out with Lena.

Wade & Cindy can stay strong as a couple or be broken up and cheated on depending on how the player plays that.

So, because player choices have such an effect on the outcome of non player characters actions it's unfair to judge any non player character action on it not having been influenced by the player at all. Because that is not entirely accurate.

Did Lena told Stanny boy "I'm gonna fuck Ian you can peek"? What choice of Lena makes Stan peek, behaving well with him? Do remind me again pls.

 

[seaoflove]

Did Lena told Stanny boy "I'm gonna fuck Ian you can peek"? What choice of Lena makes Stan peek, behaving well with him? Do remind me again pls.

Well, that is not just Ian... Could be Robert or Mike! There is a 3 man variant in that scene, but only Robert gives a free bunny suit.

Stan only spies if:

Lena is nice to him, and Stan is taking lewd photographs of Lena for her modeling, and she is flirting / teasing him as much as possible or close to as much as possible. I don't think you need every Stan point to get him to spy, but you need many.

If Lena acts "bitch" he don't spy.

If Lena acts "neutral" he don't spy.

Only when Lena has actively "Shown Positive Interest" in Stan does he ever spy.

 

[| Vee |]

Well, that is not just Ian... Could be Robert or Mike! There is a 3 man variant in that scene, but only Robert gives a free bunny suit.

Stan only spies if:

Lena is nice to him, and Stan is taking lewd photographs of Lena for her modeling, and she is flirting / teasing him as much as possible or close to as much as possible. I don't think you need every Stan point to get him to spy, but you need many.

If Lena acts "bitch" he don't spy.

If Lena acts "neutral" he don't spy.

Only when Lena has actively "Shown Positive Interest" in Stan does he ever spy.

I know that there are 3 variants and still in none Lena gave permission to peep on her.

He doesn't spy or he is just not shown peeping. Both are different. Nonetheless, the question still persists if you're nice and flirty he will spy and that was not good on Stanny boy's part that's the reason Lena is given the choice to let Stanny boy watch or not.

Also creepy fat dude peeping vs. sexy model girl, way different.

 

[Zulsmashing@ss]

I want to see stan have sex with lena

 

[Andrea9999]

I want to see stan have sex with lena

....and how about with a bindfolded Louise?

 

[abloodk]

....and how about with a bindfolded Louise?

threesome: Lena has Stan take a blindfolded Louise

 

[seaoflove]

I know that there are 3 variants and still in none Lena gave permission to peep on her.

He doesn't spy or he is just not shown peeping. Both are different. Nonetheless, the question still persists if you're nice and flirty he will spy and that was not good on Stanny boy's part that's the reason Lena is given the choice to let Stanny boy watch or not.

Also creepy fat dude peeping vs. sexy model girl, way different.

It's unclear that his initial intentions were to "Spy on Lena". If they are talking, and being friendly, he may very well have just been headed to her room to ask her if she wanted to watch TV, or grab a bite to eat.

Upon hearing noises he decided to investigate. He may not have been sure if she hurt herself or she was getting beat up or whatever.

He was standing there like a deer in the headlights. He wasn't beating off, he was just standing there surprised.

No, it is not different at all if a fat man is peeping or a pretty girl is peeping. It's the same behavior. An individuals gender or physical appearance has no effect on the morality of their actions. We can toss race in there as well.

If a super model shoots a fat man on the street it is the same crime if a fat man shoots a super model on the street.

I understand that the legal system, and individuals may have biases. For example, women don't tend to face as long of a sentence for the same crime as a man, and 95% of people killed by police are men. There is also some disparities when it comes to race in that regard.

Gender, Race, & Level of attractiveness should not factor in to punishments for crimes or other bad behavior.

Hypothetically If you were dating "Rosa" that fat chick that Lena can punch, and she cheats on you... It's the exact same thing as if you were dating Cindy or Lena or any other girl in the game and they cheated on you. Cheating is cheating. You don't get a pass for being hot, although you may get more opportunities to cheat.

The only time it is fair to make an exception for bad behavior is if the individual perpetrating that bad behavior is a minor, mentally ill, cognitively impaired, or perhaps extreme circumstances could be considered as well.

Being hot and female is not an excuse for bad behavior.

Lena should be charged for stealing from the register just like anyone else in that line.

 

[| Vee |]

It's unclear that his initial intentions were to "Spy on Lena". If they are talking, and being friendly, he may very well have just been headed to her room to ask her if she wanted to watch TV, or grab a bite to eat.

Upon hearing noises he decided to investigate. He may not have been sure if she hurt herself or she was getting beat up or whatever.

He was standing there like a deer in the headlights. He wasn't beating off, he was just standing there surprised.

No, it is not different at all if a fat man is peeping or a pretty girl is peeping. It's the same behavior. An individuals gender or physical appearance has no effect on the morality of their actions. We can toss race in there as well.

If a super model shoots a fat man on the street it is the same crime if a fat man shoots a super model on the street.

I understand that the legal system, and individuals may have biases. For example, women don't tend to face as long of a sentence for the same crime as a man, and 95% of people killed by police are men. There is also some disparities when it comes to race in that regard.

Gender, Race, & Level of attractiveness should not factor in to punishments for crimes or other bad behavior.

Hypothetically If you were dating "Rosa" that fat chick that Lena can punch, and she cheats on you... It's the exact same thing as if you were dating Cindy or Lena or any other girl in the game and they cheated on you. Cheating is cheating. You don't get a pass for being hot, although you may get more opportunities to cheat.

The only time it is fair to make an exception for bad behavior is if the individual perpetrating that bad behavior is a minor, mentally ill, cognitively impaired, or perhaps extreme circumstances could be considered as well.

Being hot and female is not an excuse for bad behavior.

Lena should be charged for stealing from the register just like anyone else in that line.

What the fuck are you doing comparing peeping with murders and cheating? I simply tried to make you understand that majority of the people will choose a model instead of fat creep to peep on themselves. You are just trying to twist the facts to fit your logic in however.

Peeping is not a crime, IS IT? What is even your counter argument here.

If Stanny boy wasn't in wrong than why would dev give the only option which empowers him to peep? I'm talking about the option Lena is given when Stan is peeping. Bcz Stanny boy mistook Lena's behaving nice and flirty with him as granted right to peep on her. It's the same situation was Robert when he was trying to blackmail Lena "You Owe Me/It's granted now!" bullshit! He is a virgin and never had any girl behave this way with him before. This is what enables his behavior. It is Stan's fault that he was peeping and Lena can empower him or not that the reason Lena is given that choice when Stanny boy is peeping.

It literally takes 2-5 seconds to go back after catching someone in a sexual act when you're not trying to peep.

You clearly don't want to understand so I would just leave this topic here.

 

[jungmonk]

I’m not close to finished yet - def not ready to post my review just yet.. but I have to say I am finding this to be one of the most enjoyable & fappable games/VNs I’ve played. Truly seems unique and made by someone(s) with a lot of talent!

 

[Gold613]

Rosa is that fat girl you can punch in chapter 11,right?
Lena is such a crazy bitch sometimes,why would she punch someone while working?

Given it was in a bar and she was tending a bar.. from experience as someone who worked bars in both nightclubs and normal bars... it happens more often than you think, drinks isn't the only thing the tenders know how to serve. And usually the bouncers are pretty quick to arrive, it is very common knowledge that there are camera's near the bar, so usually it is looked at and if the one behind the bar had any good reason too swing some, 100% of the time the transgression is ignored... at least from my experience.

A child would be a complete game.

Would that not be like.. the prologue ? I mean sure child is a complete human being.. but it still gotta be nurtured and all that such.. just saying.. but I do get your point.

 

[seaoflove]

What the fuck are you doing comparing peeping with murders and cheating? I simply tried to make you understand that majority of the people will choose a model instead of fat creep to peep on themselves. You are just trying to twist the facts to fit your logic in however.

Peeping is not a crime, IS IT? What is even your counter argument here.

If Stanny boy wasn't in wrong than why would dev give the only option which empowers him to peep? I'm talking about the option Lena is given when Stan is peeping. Bcz Stanny boy mistook Lena's behaving nice and flirty with him as granted right to peep on her. It's the same situation was Robert when he was trying to blackmail Lena "You Owe Me/It's granted now!" bullshit! He is a virgin and never had any girl behave this way with him before. This is what enables his behavior. It is Stan's fault that he was peeping and Lena can empower him or not that the reason Lena is given that choice when Stanny boy is peeping.

It literally takes 2-5 seconds to go back after catching someone in a sexual act when you're not trying to peep.

You clearly don't want to understand so I would just leave this topic here.

You are right that peeping is much less a big deal than murder or cheating. It's just the point that bad behavior is bad behavior no matter who is doing it.

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread would spy on Lena if given the opportunity. If Stan were the protagonist, and made this choice they would not complain. Because in many games with a male protagonist, and sometimes even with a female protagonist you have the option "Peep" or "Don't Peep". It has been done in hundreds of games. It is one of the most common adult game tropes. It is as common as the "Landlady" (Mom).

Nobody ever bitched about peeping until it was Stan peeping. Stan is far from the first peeper in an adult game. He is like the 693rd peeper in adult games.

You need to understand that Lena has an exhibitionist fetish in a lot of lines.

She likes taking dirty pictures of herself and posting them online that is her side hustle.

She likes sucking a cock in the bathroom of the club when people are around.

She likes fooling around in the park on the bench when people are watching.

She likes sending dirty pictures of herself to guys she is fooling around with.

She likes stripping and and doing a lesbian 3some in the showers at the gym.

She likes being drawn in the nude, and does it a number of times.

She likes sucking Mike's dick at the club while he is DJing.

Stan seeing her get some action should not be out of her wheelhouse or anything too extreme for her.

If for example it was "Shy" and "Good Girl" Holly, with Ian that he was spying on. I could see people being upset about him spying in those circumstances. Because Holly is very shy and not that kind of girl.

If for example it was Stan that found Louise and Jeremy going at it, and he watched. I could see people being upset about him spying in those circumstances as well. Because Louise hates Stan, and although she may not mind Lena spying she would mind Stan spying.

Lena though? For real... She enjoys being watched!

 

[Leongen43]

What the fuck are you doing comparing peeping with murders and cheating? I simply tried to make you understand that majority of the people will choose a model instead of fat creep to peep on themselves. You are just trying to twist the facts to fit your logic in however.

Peeping is not a crime, IS IT? What is even your counter argument here.

If Stanny boy wasn't in wrong than why would dev give the only option which empowers him to peep? I'm talking about the option Lena is given when Stan is peeping. Bcz Stanny boy mistook Lena's behaving nice and flirty with him as granted right to peep on her. It's the same situation was Robert when he was trying to blackmail Lena "You Owe Me/It's granted now!" bullshit! He is a virgin and never had any girl behave this way with him before. This is what enables his behavior. It is Stan's fault that he was peeping and Lena can empower him or not that the reason Lena is given that choice when Stanny boy is peeping.

It literally takes 2-5 seconds to go back after catching someone in a sexual act when you're not trying to peep.

You clearly don't want to understand so I would just leave this topic here.

It is a crime, I leave you an example I hope it helps
California's Peeping Tom laws make it a misdemeanor to spy on (or take pictures of) someone in a private place without that person's consent. A conviction carries a potential penalty of up to 6 months in jail and fines of up to $1000.00

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[| Vee |]

You are right that peeping is much less a big deal than murder or cheating. It's just the point that bad behavior is bad behavior no matter who is doing it.

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread would spy on Lena if given the opportunity. If Stan were the protagonist, and made this choice they would not complain. Because in many games with a male protagonist, and sometimes even with a female protagonist you have the option "Peep" or "Don't Peep". It has been done in hundreds of games. It is one of the most common adult game tropes. It is as common as the "Landlady" (Mom).

Nobody ever bitched about peeping until it was Stan peeping. Stan is far from the first peeper in an adult game. He is like the 693rd peeper in adult games.

You need to understand that Lena has an exhibitionist fetish in a lot of lines.

She likes taking dirty pictures of herself and posting them online that is her side hustle.

She likes sucking a cock in the bathroom of the club when people are around.

She likes fooling around in the park on the bench when people are watching.

She likes sending dirty pictures of herself to guys she is fooling around with.

She likes stripping and and doing a lesbian 3some in the showers at the gym.

She likes being drawn in the nude, and does it a number of times.

She likes sucking Mike's dick at the club while he is DJing.

Stan seeing her get some action should not be out of her wheelhouse or anything too extreme for her.

If for example it was "Shy" and "Good Girl" Holly, with Ian that he was spying on. I could see people being upset about him spying in those circumstances. Because Holly is very shy and not that kind of girl.

If for example it was Stan that found Louise and Jeremy going at it, and he watched. I could see people being upset about him spying in those circumstances as well. Because Louise hates Stan, and although she may not mind Lena spying she would mind Stan spying.

Lena though? For real... She enjoys being watched!

*Sighs*
First of all MC was the peep in all those games. IF MC wants someone to peep on them than it would be

1. some girls boyfriend/relative
2. some girl who is potential love interest

Now coming to second point so by going your logic if the person is a pornstar than that gives anyone the right to grope or potentially more since they are used to it? You see flaw in your logic. Even if Lena has an exhibition fetish that still doesn't give Stanny boy right to peep that's the reason dev gave the option to Lena whether to stop him peeping or empower him.

There is no way you can justify Stanny boy's peeping.

 

[| Vee |]

It is a crime, I leave you an example I hope it helps
California's Peeping Tom laws make it a misdemeanor to spy on (or take pictures of) someone in a private place without that person's consent. A conviction carries a potential penalty of up to 6 months in jail and fines of up to $1000.00

Than that would sink Stanny boy deeper as you were just trying to be nice to him and he went straight to peeping. Still comparing peeping (he wasn't taking pictures at least) with murders and cheating.... .

 

[abloodk]

Than that would sink Stanny boy deeper as you were just trying to be nice to him and he went straight to peeping. Still comparing peeping (he wasn't taking pictures at least) with murders and cheating.... .

and Lena, since she was a peeping tom long before Stan was

 

[| Vee |]

and Lena, since she was a peeping tom long before Stan was

That is player's choice. YOU chose it, not Lena. Why is it so hard for people to grasp this context. It's not that difficult to understand this.

 

[Leongen43]

That is player's choice. YOU chose it, not Lena. Why is it so hard for people to grasp this context. It's not that difficult to understand this.

It's true Lena's scene is optional, Stan's isn't, when the spy our options are to stop Lena's sex scene or continue, right?

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[TheSwashBuckler]

Anyone know who sang those two songs?

 

[lucadiadis]

Anyone know who sang those two songs?

It is not to be found anywhere, pity because I love her voice and would very much like to hear what other demo she might have done. The two songs are not bad at all actually, and I'm a bit of a rock snob.