VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Tarmogo]

My opposition is not so much boredom as much as I dislike the narrative insistence on their pairing, like I mentioned, I actually think they make a fine enough couple. I think the concept of their pairing having such a central integration in the story runs counter to the point of what a visual novel should really be.

I completely get where you're coming from. The narrative definitely pushes the relationship hard and any route outside of that suffers for it since those routes always feel at odds with what is being pushed. I honestly haven't played many visual novels before this one, so I can't comment on if this one is breaking typical conventions or not.

Ash/Eric in GGGB had its merits as well but wasn't pushed nearly to the same degree as Ian/Lena, some people found their pairing boring too. Ian and Lena's relationship is practically the only topic anyone talks about for the first 5~ish chapters, except for when Ivy and Louise are at each other's throats. Even in ch. 8 Emma will still go "Yo Lenz, Ian is totally, like, into you omagawd," which isn't necessarily an issue in of itself, but then Lena goes on to emphasise that "nothing will probably happen" which is an infuriating disclaimer which implies this metaphysical state of their pairing being something given, when you try to play a route where it's not even in question.

I never played GGGB so I can't compare the two at all personally. Again, there is no doubt that IanxLena is pushed very hard, especially early on, but I am sure as the story progresses it will become less of an issue as the other routes continue to be fleshed out and explored. My only fear is that Eva may be setting herself up for a future where maintaining a coherent game state becomes so insanely difficult with the sheer amount of variables that she is introducing.

 

[Mpkstroff]

...My only fear is that Eva may be setting herself up for a future where maintaining a coherent game state becomes so insanely difficult with the sheer amount of variables that she is introducing.

I think that is one of the reasons why Lena can't have sex with Holly if is dating Ian

 

[BlandChili]

[...] but I am sure as the story progresses it will become less of an issue as the other routes continue to be fleshed out and explored.

I assume that to be the case. I noticed someone else taking it up with Eva on the discord server, in regards to the specific scene with Emma I mentioned, so I am looking forward to seeing if she tweaks it.

My only fear is that Eva may be setting herself up for a future where maintaining a coherent game state becomes so insanely difficult with the sheer amount of variables that she is introducing.

How states changed between the alpha and beta this time might suggest she's at least facing something of a hurdle. You should give GGGB a spin, it's also got many various paths, pairings and end-states, so Eva isn't a complete novice when it comes to branching narratives.
Eva has mentioned a time skip once, if she still is planning that I hope she will reflect on where the different paths are going and try to consolidate some of them before that point.

 

[Tarmogo]

I think that is one of the reasons why Lena can't have sex with Holly if is dating Ian

Yeah I agree. She made the decision to make the change as a result of the discourse specifically surrounding the Lena confronting Ian scene, but that same change has now effected other routes where the LenaxHolly scene "should" be viable.

 

[dundun]

The sticking point for me is that if IanxHolly never happens, the game still prevents LenaxHolly if IanxLena are dating. I think the explanation that Holly doesn't want to come between them works really well, but that isn't referenced at all in the dialog leading up to that moment and the choice to initiate the scene is just blocked. If the game allowed you to attempt the LenaxHolly scene and Holly stopped it for that reason than I think everything would make a lot more sense.

It's not Holly's decision, it's Lena's. She doesn't want to put Holly in the position to break up her 2 friends. Holly would be in the same position like Lena is if IanxHolly happens. I guess she isn't a hypocrite, after all.

 

[Tarmogo]

I assume that to be the case. I noticed someone else taking it up with Eva on the discord server, in regards to the specific scene with Emma I mentioned, so I am looking forward to seeing if she tweaks it.

I definitely appreciate that she is willing to listen to feedback from the players and potentially make changes if she deems them appropriate. On the flipside, I am weary of making too many changes though as they could cause unforseen complications with other routes if they are not thoughtfully implemented. There is also the fact that she is the writer, so she should have complete control to tell the story she wants regardless of the players desires or wishes.

How states changed between the alpha and beta this time might suggest she's at least facing something of a hurdle.

Agreed. I think she may have been a bit to hasty to implement a "fix" for the perceived problems with that scene and inadvertently caused another.

You should give GGGB a spin, it's also got many various paths, pairings and end-states, so Eva isn't a complete novice when it comes to branching narratives.

I plan to at some point. Just haven't devoted the time to it yet.

Eva has mentioned a time skip once, if she still is planning that I hope she will reflect on where the different paths are going and try to consolidate some of them before that point.

A time skip definitely seems plausible at some point in the story. It would certainly be a way to do a soft reset on a lot of the open threads and could help her get things back to a manageable state if that becomes necessary.

 

[Mpkstroff]

It's not Holly's decision, it's Lena's. She doesn't want to put Holly in the position to break up her 2 friends. Holly would be in the same position like Lena is if IanxHolly happens. I guess she isn't a hypocrite, after all.

But... the way I see it, if is Lena's decision, it should be the player decision .
And if she can fuck around with Jeremy and potentially break a friendship, why can't with Holly? (I know why, but this is for the sake of discussion )

 

[rafinator89]

Any new scene in the beta?

 

[Tarmogo]

It's not Holly's decision, it's Lena's. She doesn't want to put Holly in the position to break up her 2 friends. Holly would be in the same position like Lena is if IanxHolly happens. I guess she isn't a hypocrite, after all.

That line of thinking is not expressed by Lena in any of the dialog or inner monologue prior to the potential scene occurring though. You're applying outside context (which I agree is the likely reason) to the situation that the game doesn't express. This new situation is similar to the one that Eva made the change to fix in the first place.

 

[Tarmogo]

Any new scene in the beta?

Nothing new for the beta. Two new scenes will be added for the final.

 

[BlandChili]

I definitely appreciate that she is willing to listen to feedback from the players and potentially make changes if she deems them appropriate. On the flipside, I am weary of making too many changes though as they could cause unforseen complications with other routes if they are not thoughtfully implemented. There is also the fact that she is the writer, so she should have complete control to tell the story she wants regardless of the players desires or wishes.

I do agree with that, you should never rush to fix something in a reactionary way at least. Still, the nature of developing a game through patreon of course means she can change it again, which I almost expect will happen too. I did notice your post on discord too actually, so hopefully she's read it and considering how to make a more optimal scene.

 

[Tarmogo]

I do agree with that, you should never rush to fix something in a reactionary way at least. Still, the nature of developing a game through patreon of course means she can change it again, which I almost expect will happen too. I did notice your post on discord too actually, so hopefully she's read it and considering how to make a more optimal scene.

Exactly. Rushing to implement a change immediately is usually never the best solution. As you said, the development cycle of the game will allow for plenty of time for her to polish things and tweak where needed.

Yeah I dropped that comment in Discord earlier this morning just to see if I was missing anything. Hopefully she'll respond and maybe give some more insight into her thought process on it.

 

[dundun]

That line of thinking is not expressed by Lena in any of the dialog or inner monologue prior to the potential scene occurring though.

Yes, but has the game to explain itself every time something doesn't happen? It's not this way with all the other options in the game. There were other time where Lena couldn't kiss Holly.

You're applying outside context (which I agree is the likely reason) to the situation that the game doesn't express.

It's not really outside context, it's Lena's character, Lena's sensibilities. It's not in your playthrough but it is in the game.

This new situation is similar to the one that Eva made the change to fix in the first place.

Things that happen are more in need of explanation than things that don't. Because there is only one thing that happens but infinite things that don't.

I agree, when Ivy asks you to join, some explanation of why Lena declines would make sense. But before you can't kiss Holly?
Aren't you setting too high a standard for EvaKiss to explain every road not taken?

Rushing to implement a change immediately is usually never the best solution. As you said, the development cycle of the game will allow for plenty of time for her to polish things and tweak where needed.

It wasn't exactly rushed. She went over one spot a lot of people felt needed change and she apparently agreed. But don't expect her to keep fiddling around until it's perfect. She got things to do

 

[TamaMountain]

So if I understand the comments above correctly, if Ian and Lena are a thing, then Lena can't help Holly gain confidence by having sex with her, either alone or with Ivy.

Previously I found out that the only way this was locked out was if Ian fked Holly, now it's this as well? I thought Ian and Lena are not dating, even if they are sleeping together. Shouldn't they be allowed to fool together with other people, Holly included?

Not sure how I feel about this change . This Holly character is really causing Eva Kiss to make weird changes. Unless of course I'm mistaken about all this, since I have not played the Beta yet; still waiting for the final release.

 

[Bom969]

What all sex scenes can we get in this latest version?
Also is their any scene with Cherry, Alison and Emma?

 

[Bom969]

Is their any way to prevent Lena meeting Cherry at Ian's house? Any way that Lena does not come

 

[Bom969]

My game shows error at the point when Ian says I'm in for drugs that emma offers. I am not even able to copy the error code. What to do?

 

[TamaMountain]

What all sex scenes can we get in this latest version?
Also is their any scene with Cherry, Alison and Emma?

No sex scenes with Cherry and Alison, only sexting. For Emma there's a scene with Perry.

Is their any way to prevent Lena meeting Cherry at Ian's house? Any way that Lena does not come

No.

My game shows error at the point when Ian says I'm in for drugs that emma offers. I am not even able to copy the error code. What to do?

Continue playing. It's intentional. Just click on the options available like rollback or ignore and continue based on the hints given.

 

[Skylark21]

What all sex scenes can we get in this latest version?
Also is their any scene with Cherry, Alison and Emma?

These are all the possible scenes in chapter 8, might have missed one or two.
Lena×Robert
Lena×Jeremy sexting(Nothing much tbh)
Lena×Ian/Robert/Mike sexting
Lena×Unknown stalkfap user sexting
Lena×Jeremy
Lena×Holly
Lena×Holly×Ivy
Lena×Louise
Ian×Holly(Bj only)
Ian×Minerva
Ian×Lena
Ian×Allison sexting
Ivy×Holly
Jeremy×Emma(Voyeurism)
2 new scenes will be added in final 0.8 version but wouldn't count on it though, last time waited 2 weeks for new scene only to see Ian fapping to Jeremy's Dick

 

[Reasoon]

Jeremy is a consolation prize for Allison. As soon as Ian shows he is available she goes straight for him.

Yes I think this is exactly the case. I think Alison is also teasing Ian with the whole Jeremy Thing to see if he is jealous or interested in her.

But on the other Hand something like this could also totally backfire since she is ready to sleep with one of her crushes best friends and Ian could realistically be really pissed about this and reject Alison completely after that so she is definitely playing with fire there.