VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[seaoflove]

Ch.11 Prologue explicitly denies this:

                if holly_guy > 1:
                    l "I've heard you and Mark have been getting along since that night at the club..."
                    h "Oh, that... Yes, well..."
                    l "Did you go all the way with him yet?"
                    h "No, not yet... But he wanted to go on a date this weekend..."
                    if holly_guy == 3:
                        l "Really? So nothing happened the night he brought you home?"
                        h "Well, um... Yeah..."
                        h "I gave him a... blowjob in his car."
                        l "So you can be naughty too!"
                        h "I don't normally drink that much, and... Well, it felt right, so I thought... Why not just go with the flow?"
                        l "That's how it's done. Just relax and I'm sure everything will go just fine."

That's only what Holly knows, and only from Holly's perspective. We have no idea what the interaction between Mark & Ivy was prior to that other than Mark agreeing to send Ivy a photo if he got lucky. It could have gone something like this.

Mark: "Hey Ivy, um.... can you set me up with one of the girls at your pole dancing class again? I really need to get laid."
Ivy: "Hah, what's in it for me. You know how this works boy! You want to get laid, but I want to get paid. Those are the rules!"
Mark: "Um... I am listening. What girls are on the menu? Is any one in particular that you think I might like?"
Ivy: "That's a good boy." Ivy pulls out a photo of Holly.
Mark: "Wow she is so pretty!"
Ivy: "Yea, and maybe I can help you out for the right price. She is not your typical whore you know. A night with her will cost you extra."
Mark: "She is not?"
Ivy: "No silly... She is good girl, but I have a lot of influence over her and can help her be your bad girl, but I want to see it."
Mark: "You want to watch us!?"
Ivy: "Well, I want you to send me a picture of her sucking your cock."
Mark: "But how!?"
Ivy: "Here is what we are going to do. I'll slip something special into her drink at my birthday party. She trusts me. Then I'll give her a slap on the ass and send her in your direction."
Mark: *Gets out wallet with raging hard on*

 

[ffive]

That's only what Holly knows, and only from Holly's perspective. We have no idea what the interaction between Mark & Ivy was prior to that other than Mark agreeing to send Ivy a photo if he got lucky. It could have gone something like this.

I think we have a misunderstanding here. I thought your "She may already have done so with Mark" meant "Holly may already have had sex with Mark", not Ivy fanfiction.

But i'd say there's no real reson to believe in the latter, as there's no indications for it whatsoever in the story so far, so suddenly springing it on the player out of the blue would be pretty weak.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I don't know about the other genres, but I chose Sci-Fi and I was able to get perfect score at first try, just by reading carefully Ian's and Holly's comments about the different choices. It was also luck, because I wasn't sure about every choice, but I would have gotten a high score anyway, so from my point of view as it is now it's not so bad.

I got all but one correct and I disagree. As this is built in more of a puzzle format, some of these arbitrary & subjective hints (when even provided) are poor game design IMO. Good game design would test logic over subjective opinion/experience, arbitrary preference or esoteric interests to make a fair puzzle for everyone. At least on any path where Ian is actively pursuing writing as his main career goal, regardless of his love interests (building both skill and "work on book" choices towards that pursuit). I also think our standards are pretty low in general here on game design, since we're playing unfinished games in a genre (porn) where 95%+ of releases are pure poop. But Eva's aiming for and achieving quality in other aspects of her games, so I think that should match here as well.

I don't think she needs to pause everything to fix that issue right now & delay any of the chapters. But if she's aiming for a well-designed, polished game, which it seems she is, those sort of fixes will be important at the end of development, before an official release.

 

[ffive]

Is there really any actual issue with the book building as it currently is? Between the early hints, the tips given at evaluation and ability to change values of two slots, i feel you'd have to act actively obtuse to not get a good, if not the highest, score.

 

[seaoflove]

I think we have a misunderstanding here. I thought your "She may already have done so with Mark" meant "Holly may already have had sex with Mark", not Ivy fanfiction.

But i'd say there's no real reson to believe in the latter, as there's no indications for it whatsoever in the story so far, so suddenly springing it on the player out of the blue would be pretty weak.

It would totally be well within Ivy's character to do exactly what I wrote before or something similar I'll explain why.

1) Ivy loves to push drugs. She has pushed them on Lena twice at least. She may also have done the same to Holly without her knowledge. "Here take this drink!" She is always trying to get holly drunk, and we know she has some extecy on her and she likes to give it to other girls.

A pimp may be like this.

2) Ivy is a know liar and has been known to be deceptive. She will lie to cover up things going on between her and Jeremy. She will lie about her meeting / relationship with Axel to Lena. She spotted Cindy and Ian fucking. Does she tell her friend Lena? Nope, she keeps that on the down low. There are at least 3 examples of Ivy being dishonest in the story so far there may be some I missed.

A pimp may be like this.

3) She has a very Dominant / Assertive personality. She likes to be in control.

Pimps are very much like this.

4) She pushes sexual boundaries every chance she gets. She gets off on corrupting other females.

Pimps are very much like this.

5) In the previous game GGGB there is a scene where Arthur can get Ashley to spike Iris's drink to have his way with her. There may be something similar going on with Ivy and Holly in the new game. It was up front and on the table last game, but in this game it may be written as a mystery we may find out later.

Lena may find out this fact at some point and may need to choose to side with her best friend Ivy or her new best friend Holly and be protective of her.

Ivy doing some shady things to Holly are not out of character for her at all, and are 100% in character.

 

[mommysboiii]

It would totally be well within Ivy's character to do exactly what I wrote before or something similar I'll explain why.

1) Ivy loves to push drugs. She has pushed them on Lena twice at least. She may also have done the same to Holly without her knowledge. "Here take this drink!" She is always trying to get holly drunk, and we know she has some extecy on her and she likes to give it to other girls.

A pimp may be like this.

2) Ivy is a know liar and has been known to be deceptive. She will lie to cover up things going on between her and Jeremy. She will lie about her meeting / relationship with Axel to Lena. She spotted Cindy and Ian fucking. Does she tell her friend Lena? Nope, she keeps that on the down low. There are at least 3 examples of Ivy being dishonest in the story so far there may be some I missed.

A pimp may be like this.

3) She has a very Dominant / Assertive personality. She likes to be in control.

Pimps are very much like this.

4) She pushes sexual boundaries every chance she gets. She gets off on corrupting other females.

Pimps are very much like this.

5) In the previous game GGGB there is a scene where Arthur can get Ashley to spike Iris's drink to have his way with her. There may be something similar going on with Ivy and Holly in the new game. It was up front and on the table last game, but in this game it may be written as a mystery we may find out later.

Lena may find out this fact at some point and may need to choose to side with her best friend Ivy or her new best friend Holly and be protective of her.

Ivy doing some shady things to Holly are not out of character for her at all, and are 100% in character.

god damm pimp ivy would be hot even more if the girl ivy pimps is in a relationship with ian imagin cindy ivy interaction in the future
the thing that would be even hotter is a goon video/jerk instruction video from ivy to good boi ian GODD DAYMEMME imagin ivy instructions holly molly

 

[ffive]

1) Ivy loves to push drugs. She has pushed them on Lena twice at least. She may also have done the same to Holly without her knowledge. "Here take this drink!" She is always trying to get holly drunk, and we know she has some extecy on her and she likes to give it to other girls.

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. Ivy offers Lena party drugs once. If Lena refuses, next time Ivy takes drugs herself the player has to make Lena ask for them (and burn a willpoint on it) because Ivy won't make the offer again. Furthermore, there's absolutely no basis to presume that because Ivy offers Lena's to choose if she wants some party drugs, then she'd just drug Holly without her knowledge -- Ivy clearly shows she understands and respects consent.

5) In the previous game GGGB there is a scene where Arthur can get Ashley to spike Iris's drink to have his way with her. There may be something similar going on with Ivy and Holly in the new game. It was up front and on the table last game, but in this game it may be written as a mystery we may find out later.

This game isn't GGGB and Eva has stated it's not going to be like GGGB in terms on content, but much more grounded. So if even in the "wilder" previous game you had this sort of content upfront and in the open, there's really no reason other than wishful thinking to expect this, much more tame game, will have this sort of shit cranked up even further, by making it a completely unannounced asspull.

I think it may be best for you to drop such hopes, or you'll only find yourself disappointed.

 

[seaoflove]

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. Ivy offers Lena party drugs once. If Lena refuses, next time Ivy takes drugs herself the player has to make Lena ask for them (and burn a willpoint on it) because Ivy won't make the offer again. Furthermore, there's absolutely no basis to presume that because Ivy offers Lena's to choose if she wants some party drugs, then she'd just drug Holly without her knowledge -- Ivy clearly shows she understands and respects consent.


This game isn't GGGB and Eva has stated it's not going to be like GGGB in terms on content, but much more grounded. So if even in the "wilder" previous game you had this sort of content upfront and in the open, there's really no reason other than wishful thinking to expect this, much more tame game, will have this sort of shit cranked up even further, by making it a completely unannounced asspull.

I think it may be best for you to drop such hopes, or you'll only find yourself disappointed.

Ivy offers Lena drugs not once, but twice. Both times she did it was at the location where Ivy would need to spike Holly's drink. Just because she offers drugs doesn't mean she is going to spike Holly's drink that is true, but it doesn't mean it is outside of the realm of possibility. For you see Ivy may have more loyalties to Lena than she does to Holly as Ivy & Lena go way way back so she may have given Lena the choice, and not given Holly the choice. Because Ivy may feel Holly is a "bit of a square" and "Won't accept drugs." so she pushes that boudnary for her as a "Good Teacher".

It's obviously not GGGB, but a lot of elements from GGGB are also in ORS. There may be similar incidents and things that seem to cross over a bit. The fact that Jessica exists in ORS is proof they are in the same universe. In universe where Arthur will get Ashley to Spike Iris's drink it's well within the bounds of reality for Ivy to Spike Holly's drink.

 

[ffive]

Ivy offers Lena drugs not once, but twice. Both times she did it was at the location where Ivy would need to spike Holly's drink.

No, Ivy takes drugs twice. The second time, she only offers them to Lena if Lena has taken her up on the offer previously:

    "Ivy searched inside her purse and took out a small plastic bag filled with crystalline powder. I was already familiar with it."
    if lena_drugs:
        l "Oh, you're gonna do Molly tonight too?"
        v "Of course, it's my birthday! Want some?"
# ...
    else:
        l "You're gonna do Molly tonight too?"
        v "Of course, silly! It's my birthday!"
        v "In fact, I've already taken some a while ago, but I bet you didn't even notice. So spare me the cautionary advice..."
        v "I'd offer you some, but I know you're not into drugs."
# ...

So if you made your Lena a junkie, that's on you.

Just because she offers drugs doesn't mean she is going to spike Holly's drink that is true, but it doesn't mean it is outside of the realm of possibility.

It's significantly harder to believe when you see that Ivy is actually acting in the manner opposite to what you accuse her of.

Furthermore, there's absolutely zero indication in the game script that there's anything done to Holly's drink. Holly's behavior is fully driven by her _change variable, and Lena's actions (or lack thereof). Not by fantasies of evil Ivy nefariously scheming to destroy her maidenhood.

 

[seaoflove]

No, Ivy takes drugs twice. The second time, she only offers them to Lena if Lena has taken her up on the offer previously:

    "Ivy searched inside her purse and took out a small plastic bag filled with crystalline powder. I was already familiar with it."
    if lena_drugs:
        l "Oh, you're gonna do Molly tonight too?"
        v "Of course, it's my birthday! Want some?"
# ...
    else:
        l "You're gonna do Molly tonight too?"
        v "Of course, silly! It's my birthday!"
        v "In fact, I've already taken some a while ago, but I bet you didn't even notice. So spare me the cautionary advice..."
        v "I'd offer you some, but I know you're not into drugs."
# ...

So if you made your Lena a junkie, that's on you.


It's significantly harder to believe when you see that Ivy is actually acting in the manner opposite to what you accuse her of.

Furthermore, there's absolutely zero indication in the game script that there's anything done to Holly's drink. Holly's behavior is fully driven by her _change variable, and Lena's actions (or lack thereof). Not by fantasies of evil Ivy nefariously scheming to destroy her maidenhood.

Ivy is not acting in the opposite way of what I have said. Due to her deception in the past, and her offering drugs, and her highly sexual nature, plus her desire to corrupt Holly... She may do something shady to Holly. Even her instagram name is "VenomIvy". She is "Venomous" She is dangerous she is poisonous. It's her nature.

Ivy is like the illegitimate bastard child of Arthur from GGGB. She is just as bad as Arthur if not worse.

Then there is another prediction I got;

The photoshoot of Holly... That's all done on Stans camera. There is no mention of Lena taking the pictures off his camera so he has no access to them. At some point he is going to pick up his camera and see what images are in there. Especially because he has the option to take another photoshoot with Lena.

 

[Mythos079]

Then there is another prediction I got;

The photoshoot of Holly... That's all done on Stans camera. There is no mention of Lena taking the pictures off his camera so he has no access to them. At some point he is going to pick up his camera and see what images are in there. Especially because he has the option to take another photoshoot with Lena.

Actually Lena took the SD card with Holly's pictures from Stan's camera, just before Ivy's party.

 

[ffive]

Actually Lena took the SD card with Holly's pictures from Stan's camera, just before Ivy's party.

Yup; iirc this detail was added after people played the Alpha build of the episode and talked how Stan could potentially see those pictures. So there's definitely no intention on Eva's part for that to happen, seeing how it got explicitly blocked.

 

[RippedKegels]

No, Ivy takes drugs twice. The second time, she only offers them to Lena if Lena has taken her up on the offer previously:

    "Ivy searched inside her purse and took out a small plastic bag filled with crystalline powder. I was already familiar with it."
    if lena_drugs:
        l "Oh, you're gonna do Molly tonight too?"
        v "Of course, it's my birthday! Want some?"
# ...
    else:
        l "You're gonna do Molly tonight too?"
        v "Of course, silly! It's my birthday!"
        v "In fact, I've already taken some a while ago, but I bet you didn't even notice. So spare me the cautionary advice..."
        v "I'd offer you some, but I know you're not into drugs."
# ...

So if you made your Lena a junkie, that's on you.

This is incorrect. If you will read the next couple of lines in the script you will see that if Lena has a will point, she can elect to ask for some E in that scene on her own even if she rejected the previous opportunity.

Also, bit harsh deciding people who take party drugs from time to time are junkies.

 

[ffive]

Ivy is like the illegitimate bastard child of Arthur from GGGB. She is just as bad as Arthur if not worse.

Ivy has done nothing that'd even begin to compare to Arthur's behavior. You're so far off in that statement, it's not even funny.

 

[ffive]

This is incorrect. If you will the next couple of lines in the script you will see that if Lena has a will point, she can elect to ask for some E in that scene on her own.

How does it make what i said incorrect? Lena can ask to be given drugs. Ivy on her own won't offer drugs for the second time if once refused. It's actually exactly what i said originally:

Ivy offers Lena party drugs once. If Lena refuses, next time Ivy takes drugs herself the player has to make Lena ask for them (and burn a willpoint on it) because Ivy won't make the offer again.

 

[RippedKegels]

How does it make what i said incorrect? Lena can ask to be given drugs. Ivy on her own won't offer drugs for the second time if once refused. It's actually exactly what i said originally:

Ah ok. Didn't see that first post and then misinterpreted the one i quoted (as in she only offers them if Lena accepted the first time, even if asked). My mistake.

 

[seaoflove]

Ivy has done nothing that'd even begin to compare to Arthur's behavior. You're so far off in that statement, it's not even funny.

Okay, let's give it a few updates and return to this discussion.

 

[CassidyPRO]

Well, you have a very wrong idea about Warhammer and Sci-Fi novels. Warhammer is first and foremost a fantasy wargame, then it came the futuristic version and then the novels, based of course on the wargame setting. So no, Warhammer isn't the icon of a Sci-Fi novel, at all.

In every Sci-Fi story I can think about, the fight isn't the main conflict of the book, if there's a fight at all. If you want an idea of what a Sci-Fi book is, do a search in internet or look at this example list:

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i think he is saying that the sci fi icon in ors is from warhammer lol

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Well, you have a very wrong idea about Warhammer and Sci-Fi novels. Warhammer is first and foremost a fantasy wargame, then it came the futuristic version and then the novels, based of course on the wargame setting. So no, Warhammer isn't the icon of a Sci-Fi novel, at all.

In every Sci-Fi story I can think about, the fight isn't the main conflict of the book, if there's a fight at all. If you want an idea of what a Sci-Fi book is, do a search in internet or look at this example list:

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You completely misunderstood me. I'm saying that the game obviously uses Warhammer imagery as the icon of its Sci-Fi genre, not the genre itself in real life. It's only fair to assume fight would be crucial for the genre in this game since it literally has Astartes there.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Actually Lena took the SD card with Holly's pictures from Stan's camera, just before Ivy's party.

Yup; iirc this detail was added after people played the Alpha build of the episode and talked how Stan could potentially see those pictures. So there's definitely no intention on Eva's part for that to happen, seeing how it got explicitly blocked.

And Lena will also need to buy and replace the SD card. If she's dead broke, there might be a path where Lena will have to do "things" to repay Stan.

Or another drama between Lena and Stan that could go in many ways.