VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Geteon1234567]

Hello. I have a question. How to independently open two scenes: 36-2 and 36-3 in the general gallery list. What conditions must be met?

By 36-2 in the description on the official walkthrough it is written that there should not be "broke up with Holly #689 or
not interested in Holly/Lena #671" ... I seem to have met these conditions, but the scene does not start, the game just ends.

As for 36-3, it seems to me that I opened the scene, but it simply does not count for some reason, perhaps a bug. Although maybe I'm wrong.

 

[robs1234]

Hello. I have a question. How to independently open two scenes: 36-2 and 36-3 in the general gallery list. What conditions must be met?

By 36-2 in the description on the official walkthrough it is written that there should not be "broke up with Holly #689 or
not interested in Holly/Lena #671" ... I seem to have met these conditions, but the scene does not start, the game just ends.

As for 36-3, it seems to me that I opened the scene, but it simply does not count for some reason, perhaps a bug. Although maybe I'm wrong.

as far as i know, 36-3 is with Lena and is not finished yet to be put in galery and for 36-2 is on Holly path its easy to unlock it.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I feel like you are being kind of unfair with Ian, Cindy hasn't broken up with Wade yet either. Also, you don't have to do anything wrong to be cheated on. As far as we know, Ian did nothing wrong and Gillian cheated on him and left him for the other dude. Maybe the deciding factor is whether Lena fucks Axel or not, because in this game if Axel wants to fuck Cindy, he will succeed no matter what. Personally, I wouldn't like it but I'm sure plenty of Lena fans/Ian haters and cuck lovers (also known as patrons) would enjoy it very much.

Yes in theory Cindy is still with Wade. But there's no evidence that she's still sleeping with him. In fact everything suggests, their relationship is now so broken, they barely even talk to each other, never mind actually getting intimate together. If Ian is having sex with other people besides Cindy, then obviously that's a completely different situation to the one between Cindy and Wade, who are basically just treading water, before their inevitable break-up. Wade's depressed state during the beach scenes, is clear evidence of this. Things are not going at all well between him and Cindy, and he's convinced they're going to split. So in that instance, I don't think I'm being unfair with Ian. He knows the situation between Wade and Cindy is delicate, and for the time being he's accepted that he has to wait, before him and Cindy can openly become an item. So if he has deep feelings for Cindy, why would he want to sleep around with other women besides her? If he does that, then he only has himself to blame if Cindy ends up doing the same thing with Axel.

As far as Ian getting cheated on. Well, we don't know the whole story of why Gillian cheated on him. Whilst on the surface it appears that Ian did nothing wrong, Ian himself may not believe entirely the story he's told other people. Because why would he keep torturing himself with thoughts, where Gillian taunts him about his inability to satisfy her sexually? It could be just his own insecurity, caused by the shock of being betrayed by someone he never suspected could be capable of such a thing, or maybe there was an element of truth, and Ian really wasn't giving Gillian the kind of attention she needed? Because in this game, he can change and grow as a person and a lover quite a lot. So maybe he really was lacking as a partner back then, and this played some role in Gillian cheating on him? I'm not trying to claim Gillian didn't betray Ian badly, because she clearly did, but perhaps there was more to it, than Ian was willing to admit to his friends? ( Remember Cherry's actions with Axel, weren't as one-sided as Lena tries to portray them, so perhaps Ian's view of Gillian's actions are not as straightforward as he would have other people believe?).

I think where Ian and Lena cheat on each other, this is clear evidence of Ivy and Jeremy's assertion, that neither of them are ready for a serious relationship. They cheat, because one or both of them want to carry on having sex with other people, and their belief that they're in love, and want to make a commitment is not real, or as real as they believe it to be. Whereas, if they have a relationship and the players don't have them cheating, then that's proof that their love is real, and Ivy and Jeremy were wrong. In the end, the truth is what the players decide for the protagonists. And Lena is only a cheating whore, if the players make her into one. Ian can only get cheated on, in this game, if the player decides that's going to happen, by making choices for him or Lena. And, if you didn't want that to happen, why would you make choices, that would ultimately lead to that?

 

[ffive]

Remember Cherry's actions with Axel, weren't as one-sided as Lena tries to portray them

They actually were and Cherry herself will admit as much if Ian inquires about it. Don't mistake having a motive for action with the action not being one-sided -- all actions have motives, and the motive doesn't necessarily make action nuanced.

 

[varpep]

If I may ask, what are the conditions to get the Lena Holly scene in chapter 8. In my current playthrough, Lena broke up with Ian after he slept with Holly. When Lena attempts to kiss Holly in her room, she always pulls back at the last second. Is there any way to remedy this?

 

[ffive]

If I may ask, what are the conditions to get the Lena Holly scene in chapter 8. In my current playthrough, Lena broke up with Ian after he slept with Holly. When Lena attempts to kiss Holly in her room, she always pulls back at the last second. Is there any way to remedy this?

Yes, don't have Ian involved with Holly or Lena. Lena will actually spell out her reasons for holding back, if this is the scene you mean:

    menu:
        "{image=icon_love.webp}Kiss Holly" if lena_go_holly > 1:
            $ lena_go_holly = 4
            if ian_holly_dating or ian_lena_dating:
                l "..."
                "I almost kissed her. I had been compelled by an impulse, something beyond reason..."
                "I was barely able to hold myself back."
                if ian_holly_dating:
                    "Holly and Ian had just started dating. Trying to kiss Holly was the worst thing I could do, and it made no sense... Did it?"
                elif v7_holly_kiss and ian_lena_dating:
                    "What was I thinking? Kissing Holly was probably the worst thing I could do, especially after what I told Ian for doing exactly that..."
                    "I had reacted very strongly to it, and decided to {i}forgive{/i} him... What would happen if I did the same, now?"
                elif v7_holly_kiss and ian_lena_over and lena_ian_mad == False:
                    "What was I thinking? Kissing Holly was probably the worst thing I could do, especially after what I told Ian for doing exactly that..."
                    if ian_holly_sex:
                        "Well, he had done more than just kissing her, but that was beside the point..."
                    "Things were already complicated enough between us three for me to tangle them up even more. I couldn't do that to Holly."
                else:
                    "What was I thinking? I was seeing Ian, and that made Holly give up on him."
                    "Kissing Holly would've made things super weird and complicated between her, Ian, and me."

 

[Night Hacker]

hm, i always just had Lena ignore Axel every time he tried to get her to talk to him. didn't see any scene where she burns his pics. guess ill try and find that during my next playthrough from the beginning. still have to do an Allison only run one of these days.

You have to meet with Axel and talk to him the first time, in the restaurant and he will return her guitar and songs she wrote to her. When she looks over her songs he returns, he snuck in some pics of them two together. You have the option to look them over and even masterbate to them, which leads to quite a few scenes with the two of them you can do where she slips up and has sex with him again. If you like the whole dominant male type of thing, that is what he is like. In one of my playthroughs I let them have sex with anyone and everyone. I then done playthroughs avoiding the ones that are problems (Mike, Jeremy and Robert mainly). Not gonna lie, there are some hot scenes with her and Axel.

But you CAN meet up with Axel, get her songs and guitar back, then if you rip up the photos he snuck in, she won't do anything with him in the future.

I am now doing a third route I saved where Ian only does his friends (Cindy, Allison, Emma + Minerva) and not Lena or anyone outside of their circle, and with Lena I am doing girls only + Axel on that route, which has been interesting.

I also have a Holly route I am doing. I am definitely impressed at how the dev has been able to manage so many routes! The coding for that would be insane.

I have also thought about a route where nobody has sex with ANYONE!

 

[Night Hacker]

Yes, don't have Ian involved with Holly or Lena. Lena will actually spell out her reasons for holding back, if this is the scene you mean:

    menu:
        "{image=icon_love.webp}Kiss Holly" if lena_go_holly > 1:
            $ lena_go_holly = 4
            if ian_holly_dating or ian_lena_dating:
                l "..."
                "I almost kissed her. I had been compelled by an impulse, something beyond reason..."
                "I was barely able to hold myself back."
                if ian_holly_dating:
                    "Holly and Ian had just started dating. Trying to kiss Holly was the worst thing I could do, and it made no sense... Did it?"
                elif v7_holly_kiss and ian_lena_dating:
                    "What was I thinking? Kissing Holly was probably the worst thing I could do, especially after what I told Ian for doing exactly that..."
                    "I had reacted very strongly to it, and decided to {i}forgive{/i} him... What would happen if I did the same, now?"
                elif v7_holly_kiss and ian_lena_over and lena_ian_mad == False:
                    "What was I thinking? Kissing Holly was probably the worst thing I could do, especially after what I told Ian for doing exactly that..."
                    if ian_holly_sex:
                        "Well, he had done more than just kissing her, but that was beside the point..."
                    "Things were already complicated enough between us three for me to tangle them up even more. I couldn't do that to Holly."
                else:
                    "What was I thinking? I was seeing Ian, and that made Holly give up on him."
                    "Kissing Holly would've made things super weird and complicated between her, Ian, and me."

I never even thought about looking at the source code!!! Well, in one of my playthroughs I will get there again. I have one where Neither holly or Lena date Ian, so that will probably, finally work. I'll have to remember to kiss Holly in that scene now that I see the conditions.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

They actually were and Cherry herself will admit as much if Ian inquires about it. Don't mistake having a motive for action with the action not being one-sided -- all actions have motives, and the motive doesn't necessarily make action nuanced.

What I really meant was that Lena can be quite hypocritical, when she talks about what Cherry did. If Lena is cheating on Ian, she is in effect doing far worse to him, than Cherry ever did to her. And vice versa Ian's attitude to Gillian is hypocritical, if he is cheating on Lena with Cindy or Alison. Neither of them in those circumstances appear to grasp the rank hypocrisy of their positions.

It's even worse because both of them are fully aware, how much the other suffered because they were betrayed by their partners. Neither Cherry or Gillian did anything as bad as that. Knowing that your partner has these huge insecurities because they were cheated on, but still doing it anyway, and knowing full well how much this is likely to hurt them

 

[Night Hacker]

On the other hand, we can see Cindy is receptive to Axel's advances from the very start, all blushing and giggling literally 10 mins after she meets him. She also doesn't really mind him getting handsy with her during the photoshoot, if Ian doesn't interfere.

Counter-intuitively, the lack of familiarity may be actually making it easier for Axel precisely because he isn't a friend but a very handsome stranger straight from Nazi clone vats for the ubermensch.

I would hope that it would take a while to get with Cindy (though not as long as you think, it only feels longer due to delays in getting new chapters out). But even so, it should be delayed as Cindy is Wade's girlfriend, so I would expect it to take longer.

There's absolutely nothing to backup the idea that Axel has had sex with Cindy at all. She's fawning over him because she sees that she could get into modelling which is exciting for her. Obviously Axel is a nice looking guy so she may still sleep with him, but if it turned out that she did not, I would not be surprised either. I wouldn't be surprised if she did not and that the dev was just stringing us along, making us believe they were.

As for him getting "handsy", I still think that is just part of the modelling thing, and Cindy may also see it as that.

 

[ffive]

What I really meant was that Lena can be quite hypocritical, when she talks about what Cherry did. If Lena is cheating on Ian, she is in effect doing far worse to him, than Cherry ever did to her. And vice versa Ian's attitude to Gillian is hypocritical, if he is cheating on Lena with Cindy or Alison. Neither of them in those circumstances appear to grasp the rank hypocrisy of their positions.

For me it's not so much Lena/Ian cheating on each other (because they do show some recognition and remorse over their actions in this scenario) but mostly Lena throwing herself at Mike with zero recognition she's effectively Cherry in this scenario, with Mike being just as much of a douchebag towards his girlfriend as her ex, Axel was towards her. This lack of self-awareness (in the sense for all the monologuing Lena and Ian can do, this is never really addressed) is something that i found rather disappointing, given how reactive the writing otherwise is to player's choices.

 

[varpep]

I have also thought about a route where nobody has sex with ANYONE!

I dub this the celibate run! In a town full of sin, debauchery and FORNICATION, two Individuals set out show the resident of Baluart the errors of their ways and save them from ETERNAL DAMNATION! Our protagonists, Cuck boy Ian and Missionary Lena, accompanied by her trusty sidekick, the lovely Lola, spread the word of GOD! In a cesspool of lust, infidelity and corruption. Will they succeed? or succumb to the temptations of their earthly DESIRES?

 

[Dirtydan6996]

Does anyone find it weird that Ian is actively fucking all the girls in his friend group? Do you think they talk about it? They surely must talk about it.

the way i'm playing he ain't fking anyone. only alison at the end.

 

[Tulrek]

the way i'm playing he ain't fking anyone. only alison at the end.

 

[fatpussy123]

Tier list based on the ORS women's morality

 

[Gicoo]

There are only two tiers. Hoes and Molly.

 

[robrize2169]

i have always thought that Lena's opinion of Cherry is a bit on the wrong side. especially since she doesn't give Cherry a chance to explain herself. i plan to have Lena have her talk with Axel in my next run, since it would be good to get rid of the asshat from her story. would be good if Lena gave Cherry a chance to explain herself in my opinion. especially if Ian starts dating her on a non Lena path. i haven't had Ian date Cherry yet but it's on my bucket list.

 

[yuvce]

Tier list based on the ORS women's morality
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It's honestly no surprise Alison and Cherry are good friends.

 

[ffive]

i have always thought that Lena's opinion of Cherry is a bit on the wrong side. especially since she doesn't give Cherry a chance to explain herself.

I mean, there isn't much to explain. Cherry had hots for Axel and fucked with him while she knew he's in relationship with Lena, and all that time pretended to Lena that she's a friend of them both. What is there for Lena's opinion to be on wrong side about?

 

[BlandChili]

i have always thought that Lena's opinion of Cherry is a bit on the wrong side. especially since she doesn't give Cherry a chance to explain herself. i plan to have Lena have her talk with Axel in my next run, since it would be good to get rid of the asshat from her story. would be good if Lena gave Cherry a chance to explain herself in my opinion. especially if Ian starts dating her on a non Lena path. i haven't had Ian date Cherry yet but it's on my bucket list.

You get the sense that, at least a part of, Lena's behaviour towards Cherry is supported by Ivy. Not that a girl needs the hype to be furious at her exes affair-partner, but despite being laid back in many other aspects, Ivy appears almost surprisingly hostile towards Cherry.
I remember back when the chapter with the shopping trip of Lena-Ivy-Holly came out, people were wondering if perhaps Ivy had encouraged Axel and/or Cherry, maybe claiming that Lena would be fine with whatever their fling ended up entailing.
I have no clue if that idea still fits, but it's interesting to consider given how Ivy and Holly at the very least seemed to represent different approaches, that Lena could potentially take in the future in regards to Cherry.