Dr.Brule

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Son of a fuck, I was hoping I wouldn't run into the same problem I had with the alpha but when I try to run this my virus protection pops up and wont run it.
 

VTAllard7

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In the Remaster, I was able to get here scenes by being a dick to her, then asking Lena to give Ian's book to Seymor. Not sure if both are required, but that how I got her scene.
I tried it. Didn't work. Could you tell what you picked for her dialog, please?
 
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I tried it. Didn't work. Could you tell what you picked for her dialog, please?
You need to piss her off and get her to cut Ian's work hours. Afterwards, it is imperative that you show up at the office while Seymor is there. Whether or not you deliver the book to him is irrelevant. After, wait a while and when Minerva fires Ian the scene will occur.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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so is the game complete? or does the "Final" part in the update just mean for that chapter?
There are already 9 chapters with extensive content in each though. Potentially up to 11 more chapters to go, so it may be up to 3 years before complete. But there's a lot to play as-is, with high replayability as well with all the paths.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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I would not get my hopes up on that one. Money is not the limiting factor, it is her time. End of last year she wrote about trying to delegate the linework to someone but we have not heard anything about it again so apparently that did not work out. If anything it will slow her down as she will have additional work with Steam.
I disagree there. Money flow is always a blocker for ambitious, low-staffed indie games. With a much larger cash-flow, she has many more options to find a talented, qualified linework artist she is satisfied with, among other paid staff, including a producer to delegate/navigate day-to-day tasks like Steam for her. With enough money flowing in, her largest blocker would be herself, if she isn't willing to relinquish control of some of the minutia to focus on the writing, big-picture art direction and general game design. The biggest bottleneck in a higher cash situation where she's willing to relinquish control of the minutia would be the writing. But she'd have so much more time to focus on it.

Time = money isn't just an expression.
 
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Olsens.M

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Good question. From my own experience, most men in this game are either annoying or walking douchebags to some degree. At least in GGGB, there was nice dudes like Dave.

That problem also impacts Ian's side of the story because those guys are so unlikable (and in my own case, the opposite of friends I like to spend time with) it is hard to feel any kind of dilemma. For example, Jeremy is a walking cringe that grinds my gears every time he is on screen. There's no way in hell that kind of person would stay in my inner circle of friends.

Apart from that, I am not a big fan of stories/games where you start with pre-established friendships and/or romance because I cannot feel related to them since I don't know those characters. Wade is the best example of that. Cindy is my favourite girl by a mile, so in theory I should feel bad for stealing her from Wade since he is supposed to be a friend. It should be a dilemma (bros before hoes and all that). But the thing is Wade is Ian's friend, not mine. I don't know him, he is just a NPC, therefore I have no qualms scoring with the "blonde princess".

So yeah, I do have issues with the male characters in the game, with both Ian and Lena. :confused: Good thing the female ones come in different flavours.
If one day EvaKiss decides to add gay options in her game (which could be fun), better work a bit on the male characters' personalities to have more than different kinds of douchebags.
I hve said something about it a while back. Most of games where girls are protagonists all the guys around are dicks, If you take this game as an example, most of guys wanna take her by force. Axel tried, Robert as well and the old fucker. And when she rejected them, at least 2 of them tried to fuck her life. She lost her job at the restaurant and now the old fucker wants to end her life for not wanting to be submissive ot him.

Despite that she can't get a good job other than a job where she has to sell her body. It shows no respect for women at all. That is why any chance I get I turn my girls into lesbians. It is not even because I am a man and I love girls, it is because the choices these games gives are all the worst. No decent human beings. And if the girl wanna succeed in their life they have to corrupt themselves and become sluts. It is like if women has nothing of value other than their bodies.

No wonder why there is a huge disrespect for women in the society.

In the other game, GGGB it is the same. I don't see much difference. But at least the name was already saying she would be corrupted.
 

sztrb

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I disagree there. Money flow is always a blocker for ambitious, low-staffed indie games. With a much larger cash-flow, she has many more options to find a talented, qualified linework artist she is satisfied with, among other paid staff, including a producer to delegate/navigate day-to-day tasks like Steam for her. With enough money flowing in, her largest blocker would be herself, if she isn't willing to relinquish control of some of the minutia to focus on the writing, big-picture art direction and general game design. The biggest bottleneck in a higher cash situation where she's willing to relinquish control of the minutia would be the writing. But she'd have so much more time to focus on it.

Time = money isn't just an expression.
Except that literally doesn't work with one of the most successful (money wise) eroge games. Which churns out very little content twice a year and clears almost a million in Patreon profits annually alone.
 
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Udoroth

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but I have this vague memory that the actual Axel touching and the end of the shoot was slightly different if you banged her at the club?

I believe axel asks you to leave cuase you keep distracting cindy from the camera unless you can click on the stat check option that cindy needs to get used to people look at her during photoshoots
 
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dontcarewhateverno

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Except that literally doesn't work with one of the most successful (money wise) eroge games. Which churns out very little content twice a year and clears almost a million in Patreon profits annually alone.
Logical fallacy and/or bad-faith interpretation. That's due to the laziness of the dev, which is an entirely different blocker. I'm speaking of a scenario where the developer actually wants to create as good a game as possible and cares about their patrons + wants to get onto the next project and not milk or float on the same game for years. Most small, talented indie dev teams who want to do this for a living really are in it for the love and would/could do a lot more with better cash flow. A game created by an exploitative bastard doesn't negate my point for developers/artists who actually care about their work.

A great set of knives being useful in the kitchen isn't negated by a cook that likes to stab small animals.
 
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Jah-Ith-Ber

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The pacing of the start really changes Lenas path for me. In the OG version it seems like she is already far down the road with Robert so it was pretty natural for her to date and sleep with robert and subsequently date robert and ian at the same time. In the remaster it feels like shes pretty ambivalent about Robert at the start. She also doesn't come off nearly as horny as she originally did so even if you accept the date with Robert it doesn't make as much sense IMO for her to fuck Robert on the first date. And by the time the second date comes around with Robert she seems more emotionally connected to Ian (and again less slutty then OG version) so I found no reason to keep Robert around.

Just a weird change of pace because I loathe Robert but I think he was a good foil for Ian and a good outlet for Lena when she gets jealous about Ian being with Allison/Holly etc.

This remaster really pushes IanXLena harder than anything before (and some mild dialogue changes also seem to further indicate a future throuple with Ian/Holly/Lena).

I still think my favorite path though will be IanXCindy and LenaXHolly. Have Ian and Lena have sex but then realize they work out better as friends
 

Jah-Ith-Ber

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They both come across to me as each others emotional rebound from traumatic relationships. And like I said in the OG version Lenas seems to constantly sabotage herself by being jealous of Ian and Allison et al and going back to Robert rather than just opening up about how she feels.

Of course a lot of this depends on how you play Lena and I just do what feels natural for the character (which has changed with the remaster). Overall I think that Ian just fits best with Cindy. They're friendly and have great chemistry and are at the same life stage. Lena is too young and lost and Allison even though only one year older is clearly already fighting her biological clock.

Then I think Lena X holly complement each other the best because Holly grounds her which Lena gets her out of her shell. I guess Lena and Ian have art but thats it and she also shares that with Holly. She also has better sexual chemistry with Holly/axel/jeremy et al than she does with Ian.
 

dolfe67

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This is (mostly male) porn fantasy. If you want strong independent (and maybe frigid) women there is all the other works of fiction of our time.

That said, this is one of the few games where the FMC can be strong and independent if you played that way. Sure she can be harassed by men but you're not forced to succumb to it. If all the men were like Ian (yes you have this more than decent option), it would be boring.
 
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