VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

This is just a game, but the dialog trashing Cindy annoys me a great deal and I can't stand Wade. He's a selfish, slothful prick. Mistreat a girl in real life like he does in this game, and she will leave you for someone else (and rightfully so).

And does she not mistreat him a great deal more? How is Cindy not selfish? She doesn't do anything for Wade that he doesn't for her. Going to Fortress (that she doesn't mind)? Well, he went to Blazer (that he hates). Bringing him to her shoots with Axel? She's lucky to do that in the first place because most boyfriends wouldn't allow their girlfriends to pose naked for a guy in any capacity, let alone do it alone. it was Wade's compromize with Cindy's desire to do nude modeling for a guy. But is she really supportive of Wade's interests and goals?

Let's examine their Chapter 9 dilemma, and what was the compromize for a loving couple.

In these win + lose situations, couples usually try to understand what is more important / urgent for them BOTH AS A COUPLE (find pros and cons). Wade wants to enter cybersport (which Cindy hates), and Cindy wants to do nude modeling (which Cindy hates). So, Wade compromized by letting her do nude modeling for Axel with him present, and Cindy compromized to tolerate his gaming and not being able to go out as often as she'd like. But then those solutions clash, and there needs to be a final compromize because Wade can't go to Cindy's photo shoots.

What would Cindy lose if she skips 3 weeks without posing for Axel? Nothing, really, just having to wait for 3 weeks until she can do it. What would she gain if she attends THIS shoot? A pleasant day at best? What would both Cindy and Wade lose if she went alone? Wade's trust, because they made a deal, and there was a serious risk of Cindy cheating with Axel. What would they gain if Wade went with her? Happy Cindy, but at what cost?

What would Wade lose if he missed his chance to participate in the championship? His only opportunity to find income, and he would have to wait at least a year until the next one. What do they both have to gain from Wade going to that championship? Wade potentially getting a job, his gratitude to Cindy for making that sacrifice that she can exploit by spending following 2 weeks without Axel making Wade do what she wants.

So, for them as a couple, Wade's needs are more important, because it would provide them both with more income and would strengthen their bond, while the cost of them not doing it would be too high, and Wade's only benefit from that sacrifice is Cindy in a good mood for like a week or two tops. He has all the risks, of either losing an important job opportunity, or losing Cindy to another guy if she goes alone. Cindy doesn't risk anything by being supportive of Wade and skipping her photo shoot. Axel and Cindy can wait, championship can't. She knows it, but instead of compromising, she puts Wade in a win/lose/lose situation, where he can win the championship, but lose Cindy to either Axel or Ian.

 

[reyir]

For me the one thing that makes Cindy makes a lot more mistakes than Wade in their relationship is that Cindy doesnt broke up with Wade first when she had a fling with Ian and Axel and thats why its called cheating... I mean if Cindy think that Wade doesnt give her enough attention that she want from him, then just broke up with him, theres no justification about her cheating behind Wades back and got angry when Wade found it and acts like SHE IS THE VICTIM and all of this IS BECAUSE OF WADE... If she just broke up with Wade and then had realationship with Ian or Axel i can accept that shes not really a bad girl, but cheating just because she doesnt get enough attention? nope, she belong to the streets man

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

And does she not mistreat him a great deal more? How is Cindy not selfish? She doesn't do anything for Wade that he doesn't for her. Going to Fortress (that she doesn't mind)? Well, he went to Blazer (that he hates). Bringing him to her shoots with Axel? She's lucky to do that in the first place because most boyfriends wouldn't allow their girlfriends to pose naked for a guy in any capacity, let alone do it alone. it was Wade's compromize with Cindy's desire to do nude modeling for a guy. But is she really supportive of Wade's interests and goals?

Let's examine their Chapter 9 dilemma, and what was the compromize for a loving couple.

In these win + lose situations, couples usually try to understand what is more important / urgent for them BOTH AS A COUPLE (find pros and cons). Wade wants to enter cybersport (which Cindy hates), and Cindy wants to do nude modeling (which Cindy hates). So, Wade compromized by letting her do nude modeling for Axel with him present, and Cindy compromized to tolerate his gaming and not being able to go out as often as she'd like. But then those solutions clash, and there needs to be a final compromize because Wade can't go to Cindy's photo shoots.

What would Cindy lose if she skips 3 weeks without posing for Axel? Nothing, really, just having to wait for 3 weeks until she can do it. What would she gain if she attends THIS shoot? A pleasant day at best? What would both Cindy and Wade lose if she went alone? Wade's trust, because they made a deal, and there was a serious risk of Cindy cheating with Axel. What would they gain if Wade went with her? Happy Cindy, but at what cost?

What would Wade lose if he missed his chance to participate in the championship? His only opportunity to find income, and he would have to wait at least a year until the next one. What do they both have to gain from Wade going to that championship? Wade potentially getting a job, his gratitude to Cindy for making that sacrifice that she can exploit by spending following 2 weeks without Axel making Wade do what she wants.

So, for them as a couple, Wade's needs are more important, because it would provide them both with more income and would strengthen their bond, while the cost of them not doing it would be too high, and Wade's only benefit from that sacrifice is Cindy in a good mood for like a week or two tops. He has all the risks, of either losing an important job opportunity, or losing Cindy to another guy if she goes alone. Cindy doesn't risk anything by being supportive of Wade and skipping her photo shoot. Axel and Cindy can wait, championship can't. She knows it, but instead of compromising, she puts Wade in a win/lose/lose situation, where he can win the championship, but lose Cindy to either Axel or Ian.

Based.

Just because Wade is lazy and sometimes uncaring doesn't mean Cindy get a pass for being selfish and egotistical.

 

[dav121]

I see on patreon that ORS has 2.400 substainers. With an average of 3 euros/months are 7 thousand euros per month. One year, 80 thousand euros. I think she can find some collaboration.

That would be preferable, for the sake of the project, and Eva's sanity.

 

[BloodyMares]

Wait, is it confirmed that Cindy had sex with Axel if Ian didn't go for Cindy?

No, it's not. The possibility is there though, especially if Ian didn't go to the shoot with Cindy (and Lena didn't interrupt Axel by coming to her own shoot with him). We know that when Cindy is mad at Wade, she can do stupid shit, like fucking Ian in the alley, and she's especially susceptible to Axel's charms. I would even say that she has a crush on Axel, and the only reason she didn't act on it is because she's "taken", and that Wade insisted on coming with her. Now though, being alone with Axel, starting the shoot naked right away, might leave her just vulnerable enough for him to finally claim her. And it makes the most sense pace-wise for the story, now that Cindy's character branches out into either a loving and honest girlfriend, a cheater, or a soon-to-be single girl. If Ian doesn't act, it's safe to assume that Axel will.

 

[PurpleDude]

Sometimes i have a feeling that BloodyMares hijacked ORS characters from Eva. I wonder if thats why updates take so much effort to produce. She has to fight to get her characters back!

 

[Tiago Patrício]

any news?

 

[ijako3]

Stan is the man.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

I in no way claimed that Eva was milking or engaged in any bad behaviour towards her supporters. MY point is that the general crux of the game (multiple choices leaving to multiple different storylines) is far to big/complex for a sole developer to take on.
I can't even begin to imagine what the story board for this would even look like.
For christsakes even the walkthrough for it is an almost impossible task.

It is complicated, but Eva's other game (Good Girl Gone Bad) had a ton of branches and options, too. That came together nicely and I played that several times and still didn't see all the variations and endings.

 

[Osodrac13]

Who cares about Cherry? She had a very stupid name

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Who cares about Cherry? She had a very stupid name

What's the perfect name for her then?

 

[pavlogrk]

Who cares about Cherry? She had a very stupid name

LIKE THE NAME U GAVE URSELF IS BETTER LOL

 

[Osodrac13]

What's the perfect name for her then?

Blueberry

 

[Pakamak]

I would even say that she has a crush on Axel, and the only reason she didn't act on it is because she's "taken", and that Wade insisted on coming with her.

Interesting.The good thing about this forum is that i get to see different points of view from other people that are playing the game so i am wondering what brought you to that conclusion because i honestly don't see Cindy having a crush on Axel.She has blushed when he compliments her but which women doesn't when a attractive man compliments her,and she is doing nude modelling for him but she also sent those pictures to Ian,and when Ian goes for a second time to the photo shot Axel at one point asks Ian to leave and when Ian stands his ground Cindy doesn't agree with Axel but says that it is okay for Ian to stay.I personally think as multiple other people have already mentioned Cindy is extremely needy and want's to feel wanted and desired from her boyfriend.So when Wade is no longer giving her that constant attention the first man that gives her that attention that she finds attractive will get her attention.(Either Axel if you ignore her or Ian if you pursue her).

 

[Stephanie98]

when she released the new update

 

[Moryaka26]

What do you think will be Ian and Cindy's relationship if they decided to became couple?

 

[BloodyMares]

Interesting.The good thing about this forum is that i get to see different points of view from other people that are playing the game so i am wondering what brought you to that conclusion because i honestly don't see Cindy having a crush on Axel.She has blushed when he compliments her but which women doesn't when a attractive man compliments her,and she is doing nude modelling for him but she also sent those pictures to Ian,and when Ian goes for a second time to the photo shot Axel at one point asks Ian to leave and when Ian stands his ground Cindy doesn't agree with Axel but says that it is okay for Ian to stay.I personally think as multiple other people have already mentioned Cindy is extremely needy and want's to feel wanted and desired from her boyfriend.So when Wade is no longer giving her that constant attention the first man that gives her that attention that she finds attractive will get her attention.(Either Axel if you ignore her or Ian if you pursue her).

You're right. I think Cindy is conflicted. In your playthrough, she's influenced both by Axel and Ian. Axel shows her the things that she'd like in her life, while Ian can inspire her to deal with her problems instead of avoiding them (which is what pushes her towards Axel in the first place) and reminds her that what she's doing is not exactly fair to Wade. However, unless your Ian banged her, Cindy clearly doesn't want Ian going with her and tells him to go home. If you take into the fact that it might not be the first time for Ian to see her naked, then this obvious resistance can be a sign that she wants to be alone with Axel, not exactly with intent to have something with him, but just to have his company because she feels very good around him.

I was talking particularly about a branch of the story where Ian didn't go to Cindy's shoot (building that special connection with her) and didn't try to fix relationship for Wade (causing Cindy to feel more frustration with him). At this point it becomes mathematical: Frustration for Wade makes her vulnerable to both Ian's and Axel's influence, but since Ian chooses to be passive, Cindy feels stronger attraction for Axel because he becomes the only person in her life who is supportive of her and inspires her to be her ideal person. Add to that the fact she's eager to pose naked for him (which is why she couldn't wait another 2 weeks), that reinforces my observation that in this particular branch she developed a crush on Axel, and is looking for any excuse to see him more often.

What do you think will be Ian and Cindy's relationship if they decided to became couple?

Emotional rollercoaster. I imagine it will be very amazing at first, but then Ian's patience will be tested, and he'd probably need a lot of Wits and Charisma to keep it up and prove to her that he's a better option than Wade or Axel.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Maybe we need more girl devs, you make plots more realistics and complex than many men devs, and the sex scenes are more passional and real. And the most important, you dont abandoned your current projects.
I like your art too by the way. Keep up lady

Eva's one of the small handful of absolute best devs out there in adult games, but.... bad take.

 

[Night Hacker]

What do you think will be Ian and Cindy's relationship if they decided to became couple?

Depends on how the author wants to do this. But so far, if you persue her, they get along great, she just needs to be treated with a little love and respect. So far, I like how she has been written. People don't generally respond well to being ignored and unloved. Heck, I think Cindy's the only female in the game that actually felt guilty for fooling around with Ian while she was drunk. Say what you want, she's one of my favourite characters in the game... Wade is probably my least favourite (although Jeremy ranks right up there). I tried a route where I befriend Jeremy every chance I get and when you mention a threesome with Allison with him, he likes the idea and ends up having it... but with someone else, not you, and of course he bangs Lena given the chance (but then, everyone does, depends how you play her).

 

[cihoff]

Depends on how the author wants to do this. But so far, if you persue her, they get along great, she just needs to be treated with a little love and respect. So far, I like how she has been written. People don't generally respond well to being ignored and unloved. Heck, I think Cindy's the only female in the game that actually felt guilty for fooling around with Ian while she was drunk. Say what you want, she's one of my favourite characters in the game... Wade is probably my least favourite (although Jeremy ranks right up there). I tried a route where I befriend Jeremy every chance I get and when you mention a threesome with Allison with him, he likes the idea and ends up having it... but with someone else, not you, and of course he bangs Lena given the chance (but then, everyone does, depends how you play her).

Actually, on my last play-through, Jeremy declined to Lena getting him off in Ivy's game. His reasoning was that Lena was Ian's girl. I don't know what that depends on, but I played that Lena as not spying on Louise, so I guess she is not interest in BBC. That did not stop him from getting a BJ from Ivy though, which makes him quite the hypocrite as his "girlfriend" was right there, begging him not to do it with Ivy.