VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

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After my

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announcing I was planning on releasing Chapter 10 in two parts, separating Ian and Lena's POV, most of you voiced your concern and disagreement with that choice, and I can see why. So, obviously, a poll is in order to decide what should be done.

I tried to explain my reasoning a bit, but in the end I also share your opinion and I'd prefer to release both POV together. But at the same time I want to give you content, as much as possible and as fast as possible, both to keep you happy and engaged and for my own sake too. I want to share the fruits of my work, and it gets pretty stressful when too much time goes by and I'm not advancing at the pace I'd like. I try to convince myself quality takes time, but Patreon's subscription model almost demands for monthly rewards, and I just enjoy releasing content, but I want it to be content I can feel proud about. Anyway, there's plenty of reasons for and against this proposed release schedule, but in the end it's you patrons who get the final say on things like this.

I understand both options are problematic and will probably result in some people removing their pledges, but that's just the way it is and I'm fine with that. My goal has always been to create the best possible VN I can and hopefully you can enjoy that, so it's up to you if you want to experience Ian's part of the chapter first (it has about as much content as the entire chapter 5) or you prefer to wait until everything's completed, which I can't give an estimate time-frame yet (at least quite a few drawings from Lena's part are already completed, so it's not like starting a new development cycle from scratch).

So let me know your opinion down below and meanwhile I'll try to keep advancing the work as much as I can! There's already so much I wish I could show you...

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Poll:
Release Chapter 10 as a whole - 80%
Release Ian and Lena's POVs separately - 20%

october for chapter 10? ok i can wait.

 

[RoboticCatDogHybrid]

october for chapter 10? ok i can wait.

More like December bro

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

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After my

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announcing I was planning on releasing Chapter 10 in two parts, separating Ian and Lena's POV, most of you voiced your concern and disagreement with that choice, and I can see why. So, obviously, a poll is in order to decide what should be done.

I tried to explain my reasoning a bit, but in the end I also share your opinion and I'd prefer to release both POV together. But at the same time I want to give you content, as much as possible and as fast as possible, both to keep you happy and engaged and for my own sake too. I want to share the fruits of my work, and it gets pretty stressful when too much time goes by and I'm not advancing at the pace I'd like. I try to convince myself quality takes time, but Patreon's subscription model almost demands for monthly rewards, and I just enjoy releasing content, but I want it to be content I can feel proud about. Anyway, there's plenty of reasons for and against this proposed release schedule, but in the end it's you patrons who get the final say on things like this.

I understand both options are problematic and will probably result in some people removing their pledges, but that's just the way it is and I'm fine with that. My goal has always been to create the best possible VN I can and hopefully you can enjoy that, so it's up to you if you want to experience Ian's part of the chapter first (it has about as much content as the entire chapter 5) or you prefer to wait until everything's completed, which I can't give an estimate time-frame yet (at least quite a few drawings from Lena's part are already completed, so it's not like starting a new development cycle from scratch).

So let me know your opinion down below and meanwhile I'll try to keep advancing the work as much as I can! There's already so much I wish I could show you...

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Poll:
Release Chapter 10 as a whole - 80%
Release Ian and Lena's POVs separately - 20%

Whatever choice Eva Kiss believes is better i am okay with it.

 

[Osodrac13]

I'm sure it will be faster than Female Agent - Crushstation

 

[palmtrees89]

october for chapter 10? ok i can wait.

I'd say a November/December release is more likely.

Here's what concerns me:

"Lena's part should be coming shortly after." - This is a statement from the previous devblog.

"I can't give an estimate time-frame yet (at least quite a few drawings from Lena's part are already completed, so it's not like starting a new development cycle from scratch)." - This is what Eva said in her latest post.

Maybe it's just me, but the second statement really doesn't sound like it's gonna be finished anytime soon. "Shortly after", atleast in my book, means a couple weeks at most, but the second statement reads more like it's going to take several months, which is why I don't see a release happening before November/December. Well, fingers crossed.

 

[Zirael Q]

Did I get it right? The update got delayed a few months again?

 

[Tallyhoe]

The truth is that the decision does not surprise me, in the end these subscription models have always worked thanks to people with a Simp mentality, (I give you everything, but you do not have to worry, I wait for you) in short, people who are not able to see the value of himself, and less of his money, otherwise they would not live throwing money at a coin-op without receiving anything in return, I have supported several on patreon, but I only pay for the product, comic release or game updates, I pay the membership and I'm leaving, until they show the results of the work again, but I'm not going to let them take me out of "The idiot who gives me money", they want money, so let them earn it. But pay month by month, to see 3 posts per month where they tell you, look at an image and shut up.

PS: I'm not a hate of Eva, on the contrary I like her games, I'm a hate of the patreons that created that system where you pay but you don't get anything, a system that has ruined a lot of good games.
Not demanding anything from developers is what creates developers like ICSTOR.
I really like this developer, so I don't want to see it being an ICSTOR 30.0.

Do you even know what the word 'Patron' in Patreon means?

 

[Solomon Grundy]

But these guys seem to provoke a conflict every damn time.

For many of them, that's their goal. Which is why it's best to just ignore them, they get bored and go away.

 

[The_Searcher]

Did I get it right? The update got delayed a few months again?

Yep, Ian part is finished and it's Lena part for the next months.

 

[Jehuty206]

Sad.

 

[Deleted member 53157]

According to the charts, Eva is losing patrons each month and since a few months ago she lost over 300 patrons. I just cancelled my own subscription yesterday due to the mental attitude of other obsessive fans who want everyone to wait with them instead of releasing part of the chapter now (they will have to wait the same time anyway). Really crazy attitude if you ask me.

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[The_Searcher]

According to the charts, Eva is losing patrons each month and since a few months ago she lost over 300 patrons. I just cancelled my own subscription yesterday due to the mental attitude of other obsessive fans who want everyone to wait with them instead of releasing part of the chapter now (they will have to wait the same time anyway). Really crazy attitude if you ask me.

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Looking at the graph, at the start of each month, she loses patreons but during all the month recovers patreons and then she loses again patreons at the start of the next month.

Is this the normal flux in patreon?

 

[Deleted member 53157]

Looking at the graph, at the start of each month, she loses patreons but during all the month recovers patreons and then she loses again patreons at the start of the next month.

Is this the normal flux in patreon?

It is normal flux. But if you look at start of the year, from April she had around 2800 patrons, now last month capped at around 2400 give or take. She lost hundreds of patrons in the months between. That is a big number, and she does not have that many patrons to begin with.

 

[dundun]

It is normal flux. But if you look at start of the year, from April she had around 2800 patrons, now last month capped at around 2400 give or take. She lost hundreds of patrons in the months between. That is a big number, and she does not have that many patrons to begin with.

Maybe because in April she released the last update, driving up her subscriptions? Why not, if you are really interested in comparable data, compare Aug 11, 2021 with Aug 11, 2022? That is 2223 to 2198. So she lost 25 patreons in one year, or a whooping 1.12 percent. Her downfall clearly is imminent!

 

[patachoucs]

According to the charts, Eva is losing patrons each month and since a few months ago she lost over 300 patrons. I just cancelled my own subscription yesterday due to the mental attitude of other obsessive fans who want everyone to wait with them instead of releasing part of the chapter now (they will have to wait the same time anyway). Really crazy attitude if you ask me.

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Oh yeah, those pesky 80% of obsessive fans (amongst those who voted of course, ie close to 800 people) . They're a plague, truly.

 

[The_Searcher]

Maybe because in April she released the last update, driving up her subscriptions? Why not, if you are really interested in comparable data, compare Aug 11, 2021 with Aug 11, 2022? That is 2223 to 2198. So she lost 25 patreons in one year, or a whooping 1.12 percent. Her downfall clearly is imminent!

I find your interpretation of the graphic fascinating.

You say that she only lost 25 patrons between Aug 11 2021 - Aug 11 2022 but you ignore on purpose that she reached the top on Apr 25 2022 with 2643 patrons only to lose 445 patrons the next months.

That's what the data/graphic says.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Other major AVN threads: people sharing theories, discussing characters, plot, linking to music from the game, drawing memes, having fun and lightly pranking each other.
Our Red String thread: MASSACRE

You also have some good points and I totally agree that this ("they always got to one up themselves.") is a problem, especially when you already deliver quality content with mostly positive reviews.

About BADIK, the funny thing is that I stopped following the thread around the middle point of season 2. Way too many comments. Now I don't even remember the sub plots. I know just that I liked Sage, Bella and Quinn (somehow I am always interested in the bad girls that are not that bad in the end). Now, when can my boy Ian take Ivy on a date ?

Too bad you left. This is the funniest and friendliest thread ever and it's almost 10,000 pages long. I've rarely seen anyone turn on offended mode there. Well, trolls with a "lazy developer milking money" line are quickly kicked out there.

 

[RenGames69]

Yep, Ian part is finished and it's Lena part for the next months.

Do Eva said that Ian part is done?

 

[The_Searcher]

Do Eva said that Ian part is done?

Yeah, that's why she offered the idea to halve the next episode and launch sooner only the Ian part and later the Lena part.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Do Eva said that Ian part is done?

She actually didn't. She said it's "close to finished".