dundun

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Who is this new girl?
Ashley, Eva, or Natasha from GGGB?
Iris already appeared in BBC porn, obviously Jasmin is not.
EvaKiss wrote there will be "some" new characters, "some of which" we might know. So it could be a completely new character. As for GGGB there is a limited amount of women, Eva, Iris, Natasha maybe Jolene? Eva can be very different (like dead!) so she is unlikely, Iris can be in the throws of Arthur, but maybe she got over her daddy complex? Natasha is always on option. The image is called pnj.webp, can't get a hint from that.
 

hrmokay

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EvaKiss wrote there will be "some" new characters, "some of which" we might know. So it could be a completely new character. As for GGGB there is a limited amount of women, Eva, Iris, Natasha maybe Jolene? Eva can be very different (like dead!) so she is unlikely, Iris can be in the throws of Arthur, but maybe she got over her daddy complex? Natasha is always on option. The image is called pnj.webp, can't get a hint from that.
Natashas book store fits the ORS plot the best i think if it is a gggb cameo
 

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Chapter 10 weekly status report (11)
Hey guys,

I'm writing this post for the second time because Patreon excellent website decided to erase it as I was about to publish it

After seeing the result of the last poll and reading your comments, the choice to make is obvious: Chapter 10 will be released when both Ian and Lena's parts are completed.

I really wanted to give you guys something to play this summer, and I'm feeling the need to release some content asap, but I'll have to be patient and keep working consistently until the full chapter is done. As weeks go by the pressure of development gets hard to handle, knowing I'm keeping you waiting for new content, and being aware of the amount of work and multiple tasks that are on my to-do list before this next chapter is completed. That's the main reason I've been staying away form work-related social media lately, since it helps me manage the anxiety and focus my energy on developing the game. I apologize if that causes some of your messages or answers to go unanswered, but I'll keep posting these weekly updates and answering your comments down below.

This week I've been thoroughly play-testing Ian's part, revising texts, choices, game logic and creating finishing the needed artwork and graphical assets. Normally I hate going over my work, but in this case I'm even enjoying it, so I think the chapter so far is coming along rather nicely, and hopefully you'll enjoy it too when it's out! I wanted to try some new things, scenes and game mechanics, and there are some new character interactions you haven't seen thus far. Also, some new characters will make an appearance, and you might be familiar with some of those...
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It will be very cool if it's Natasha. She was my favorite character in GGGB, I loved her free spirit.
I wonder if she will be in the way of Jan or Lena? Better on Ian's way. The number of characters in Ian's environment is less than Lena's and it would be nice to correct this balance.
 

Doppelgang

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Even after reading your message twice, I am still unable to see the impact of Seymour as something more than just moving the story forward. There are 3 options: "ignore him", "there no other choice work with him" and "yes daddy". Some dialog will be different, but I bet it won't be by much. Only time will tell, I will check the scripts once ch10 will be out.
I’m not denying that the development of chapter 9 was significantly slower than the previous ones, even if we factor in any increased complexity. Eva was also open about being burnt out through parts of the work with that chapter and the rework. Though I also seem to remember BloodyMares talking about the code and the variables just for the trip with Alison as far more complex than anything in the game up until then. Chapter 10 is also taking more time than the earlier chapters, but I'm waiting until it's released to draw final conclusions on the reasons for that.

What I think you’re oversimplifying, is how you’re talking about it as if the player choices and the dialogue variations are the only things that make the story complex. It's easy to quantify, but it doesn't tell the whole picture. After all, a novel can be extremely complex even if there's no player choices or dialogue variations.

Also you're right that the scene at the end of chapter 9 gives three different options. That's a good example of how the game changes between opening up different paths and variations and narrowing it down. But as I tried to explain, the point where it's getting complex, is when those options start affecting other paths in the coming chapters.

I wasn't trying to argue that the coming chapters necessarily will be more complex than the earlier ones, but since we're already talking about it: I think there's a good chance they might be. As I mentioned, Eva should really try to keep things simple and limit the complexity, but chapter 9 introduces two new variables that will be among the most important ones in the whole game—Lena and Ian's relationship status and Lena's deal with Seymour. Those variables will have a significant impact on both the different relationships and job options of both protagonists. I'm struggling to see how that won't increase the complexity, even if Eva makes sure to keep it as simple as possible, and even if the consequences of it only will come into play gradually.

All this complexity talk ignores that there is not a completely new path after each decision, there are several paths (cafe gets saved by Lena modelling/singing; cafe goes broke) and later decisions just change to an already existing path. For example Lena can lose her job at the restaurant early on except if she sleeps with Robert. Now she lost the job anyways. Both ways she is now at the same spot, so what were the differences? All restaurant scenes after she can lose the job the first time were optional and she got less money. I can't remember any scenes blocked by still working. That is not that hard to write. EvaKiss is aware of that and she limits the amount of possible paths not allowing certain decisions to simplify the paths.
Yes, you're right about all of this. I wasn't trying to ignore it, I was just trying to prevent my post from becoming longer than ORS' scripts. Also the non-disclosure agreement might be a tool for Eva to keep the path from getting too tangled in with all the others, at least in the short run. Still I think it's obvious the deal with Seymour and the relationship between Ian and Lena will add another level to the complexity to the story. And considering how the relationship was set up, with the different relationships options (just friends, friends with benefits, open relationship, commited relationship) together with how both protagonists had the chance to cheat immediately afterwards, I get the impression that this isn't where Eva will hold back to keep things as simple as possible.

Also I think it's worth mentioning—even though it's obvious—that the size of the story naturally is just getting bigger and bigger, even if the amount of paths might be more constant. That doesn't necessarily reflect in the amount of variations and choices and so on, but it makes things more complex for Eva. Just deciding how to prevent the amount of paths from growing, and which variables will come into play in the different scenes, is becoming more difficult as the story's gradually growing.
 

Doppelgang

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It will be very cool if it's Natasha. She was my favorite character in GGGB, I loved her free spirit.
I wonder if she will be in the way of Jan or Lena? Better on Ian's way. The number of characters in Ian's environment is less than Lena's and it would be nice to correct this balance.
My guess is that the silhouette isn't from one of the GGGB cameos, but either way Nat could make sense. And it would be a pretty interesting cameo at this moment considering Ian and Lena just had their relationship talk, and could be in an open relationship. What better way to kickstart that relationship than by meeting Nat on a night out, and the three of them ending the night together? I remember her from GGGB as pretty direct and open-minded, so—if the open relationship will include threesomes—it would be a smart way to make it easy to cross the line between just talking about experimenting together to actually doing it.
 

vgbestly

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Probably Nat. It makes the most sense that she makes an appearance. Her character fits the spoiler outline the most, assuming the dev doesn't introduce substantial changes in the character's appearance.


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Yea, I guess it's Natasha. Wished it's Iris to recount her bbc or daddy issues but she already have a cameo so its very unlikely. I wonder what's her role here in ORS though?...Heres some ideas I want to jizz over in my mind while I wait for update.
-Nat recalling her time with Jack or Arthur sex scenes
-The "Hey. Me and my BF are in open relationship, wanna join?"
-Nat giving lessons on exhibitionist to Lena since she has experience in the book store backroom scene
 

boulimanus

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I also loved Nat's personality and looks as well as story arc, but I don't think the outline is her. Wouldn't complain if it was though!
 
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Sandi Bubbles

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Hiya, just a quick question: How far can the changes of the female player character go? Is it already so far like the main character in GGGB, so the possibility to end a busty blonde pornstar (or at least pole dancer)? Haven't played the game for quite a while now.
 

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I talked about the major scenes because they are driven by the major choices of the game.
They are driven mostly by a binary "Yes / No" flag for their relationship, with additional flags to include deviations such as Ian perving on Alison x Jeremy. That's easy to track. What is NOT easy to track however is the dialogues. If you really want to compare complexity of each chapter, you'd have to compare the amount of dialogue. And the fight with Robert in the gallery was 200% more complex than any sex scene development. Sex scenes tend to be very linear in nature, with most of the branches impacting the dialogue that leads to said sex scenes but is not that important during the scene itself.

There's no dialogue in Chapter 6 that would compare to the date with Lena in Chapter 9 in its complexity. The most complex scene in Chapter 6 was hanging out with Holly and Ivy / Louise and it only depended on holly_gym variable.


Why would it be a nightmare to keep track of things ? Especially when you have the previous experience of doing exactly this.
2 protagonists. NPC characters have agency, develop off-screen and interact with each other. In GGGB nobody interacted with each other unless Ash brought them together. Eva is the only exception to that rule, being the mirror to Ashley. So, if in GGGB Eva could forget about side characters entirely if they were not featured in the update, this time, even if they're not present in the chapter, Eva still has to think of something that they're doing at the time they're not present. How have Cindy and Axel's photoshoots progressed if Ian didn't come along and Lena didn't come to make him finish early?

And finally, about "Decisions from chapter 2 not impacting content in chapter 9". Blocking Jeremy's advances for Alison in Chapter 3 ("Alison is only mine") prevents him from ever raising the threesome topic to Ian. So, there are no clear rules of whether some "minor" dialogue choices can end up being not really minor. Hell, Lena can bring up the fact that Ian showed her Peoplegram to Jeremy if he complains about her sexting with him, daring him to face this weird inner conflict of why he was okay to show her off to him (and potentially discovering her Stalkfap thanks to that gesture which is only different from sexting based on interaction). So, in theory, we have one seemingly random decision coupled with Ian dating Lena and Lena's Stalkfap content potentially opening a door for Ian's cuck route with Lena. But that depends on whether Eva remembers that small choice or not.
 
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