VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

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posted on July 8th says, and I quote: " I'm finishing writing Ian's part, one major scene and a few secondary ones remain, and I'll start writing Lena's part as soon as I'm done with that."

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posted on August 2nd (25 days later) says, and I quote: " After my week off I've kept working at chapter 10 and I'm almost done with Ian's part."

You might as well throw this is in:

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posted on May 27th: "Right now I've completed around 70 drawings, and I have the feeling that's only half of the final count."

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posted on September 12th: "I have 80+ illustrations with it's variations finished, and the final count will be around 120 I think."
So besides editing the colored drawings and adding the needed layers for different variations, not much happened in the art department. Between May and September, most of the work went into writing.

So tell me again, how is it not "reality"? How come she still hasn't finished Ian's part 25 days after saying she is "finishing writing Ian's part?"

"There was this big scene that had been giving me trouble for a few weeks now, and I finally managed to finish it. I really got stuck with this one and I think it's been the hardest one to write thus far, for several reasons, one of them being it's mechanical complexity."

 

[TheBigWater]

I feel like dev have already almosst all arts she wanted to draw. So now we are waiting for story writing and and programmer to do his thing. I bet the update will be late October

 

[JohnnyKiss]

you know Ian’s part doesn’t only consist of writing, right? There‘re drawing, illustration, coding etc?

The Dev has said in the previous updates that she has already completed the drawings for his part.

 

[BlackIsBetter]

Oh God, still no update? Is the dev having trouble

Again with the vague statements. Why not? Why does it not work like that? You are telling me the Dev managed to previously release an entire Chapter under two months but she can't finish the finishing touch on Ian's part for 25 days?

You don't need to be "paid-professional" (which Eva isn't) and "of quality" to understand the creative writing process. In fact, if you were a paid-professional then you'd understand that your job depends on you delivering your work on time. Eva has been lacking.

The only explanation is that Dev is having trouble writing it. Either that or she is being lazy but I doubt our Eva would do that. The lack of accountability and a deadline is probably what lets her stagnante so much.

 

[Varrilete]

as long as the money keeps flowing, no pressure for her imo... ppl will start to stop paying thats where u will see again an update every 2 months...

 

[ArcherHades46]

Since we have been waiting for a long time, there should be a lot of content, respectively, she, as I understand it, wants to surprise us, she is hiking and waiting for something interesting.

 

[Joe Steel]

People need to understand that this story has reached the hardest part of any story for any writer: the story has reached its final growth and now must be shrunk to its conclusion. That means decided how to tie off story lines, which is much trickier than creating the story lines. Payoffs have to be satisfying, and that's hard to do, one storyline after another.

Hell, George RR Martin is one of the most acclaimed fantasy writers of modern times, and he hasn't figured out how to resolve the story lines in ASOIAF after a decade of trying. JRR Tolkien was defeated for more than a year by this task. ORS doesn't have a story that complicated, but the principal is clear: closing a story is hard.

I'm in favor of giving EK all the time in the world to pull that off, because the alternative is what we saw in the Game of Thrones TV show. People who claim to be creative writers who fail to grasp this idea likely are not creative at all.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

People need to understand that this story has reached the hardest part of any story for any writer: the story has reached its final growth and now must be shrunk to its conclusion. That means decided how to tie off story lines, which is much trickier than creating the story lines. Payoffs have to be satisfying, and that's hard to do, one storyline after another.

Hell, George RR Martin is one of the most acclaimed fantasy writers of modern times, and he hasn't figured out how to resolve the story lines in ASOIAF after a decade of trying. JRR Tolkien was defeated for more than a year by this task. ORS doesn't have a story that complicated, but the principal is clear: closing a story is hard.

I'm in favor of giving EK all the time in the world to pull that off, because the alternative is what we saw in the Game of Thrones TV show. People who claim to be creative writers who fail to grasp this idea likely are not creative at all.

This game is far from its conclusion. The story barely just started and there are still a lot of characters who still have a role to play.

 

[Joe Steel]

This game is far from its conclusion. The story barely just started and there are still a lot of characters who still have a role to play.

I disagree. The story is reaching plot climaxes and now we are going to see resolutions. EK is no longer building up (major) plot lines, but is starting to pay them off.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

I disagree. The story is reaching plot climaxes and now we are going to see resolutions. EK is no longer building up (major) plot lines, but is starting to pay them off.

How? Lena only started playing into Seymour's hands and she only now "got back" with Axel. Stan has no role so far outside of being a creep, Ivy and Ed are just there, in the background.

Ian only recently started his affair with Cindy, the whole tournament thing is going nowhere for now and only just in Chapter 9 did Ian even get a chance to get into the relationship with Lena.

 

[priv.ryan]

How? Lena only started playing into Seymour's hands and she only now "got back" with Axel. Stan has no role so far outside of being a creep, Ivy and Ed are just there, in the background.

Ian only recently started his affair with Cindy, the whole tournament thing is going nowhere for now and only just in Chapter 9 did Ian even get a chance to get into the relationship with Lena.

Exactly, also to add the lena and Billy path hasn't started, gillian might get added somewhere along Ian's path, Ian x Cherry or Jess (if that's still happening) still has a lot more to it and finally EK

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so there's surely a lot more left until we reach the climax.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Again with the vague statements. Why not? Why does it not work like that? You are telling me the Dev managed to previously release an entire Chapter under two months but she can't finish the finishing touch on Ian's part for 25 days?

You don't need to be "paid-professional" (which Eva isn't) and "of quality" to understand the creative writing process. In fact, if you were a paid-professional then you'd understand that your job depends on you delivering your work on time. Eva has been lacking.

I wasn't being vague. Because you can't comprehend it just speaks to the fact that you don't actually understand creative work. Maybe you write greeting cards, poop out crappy commercial graphic design, or something like that (though I doubt you do any of those things either). But regardless, it's not the same thing.

It's not worth explaining further, since you've proven from your reactions so far that it would be a wasted effort.

 

[BlackIsBetter]

I wasn't being vague. Because you can't comprehend it just speaks to the fact that you don't actually understand creative work. Maybe you write greeting cards, poop out crappy commercial graphic design, or something like that (though I doubt you do any of those things either). But regardless, it's not the same thing.

It's not worth explaining further, since you've proven from your reactions so far that it would be a wasted effort.

I'm also interested in what you are talking about. Could you maybe elaborate on what you mean? You just sound like you are dismissing the point without actually having anything to counter it with.

 

[Joe Steel]

How? Lena only started playing into Seymour's hands and she only now "got back" with Axel. Stan has no role so far outside of being a creep, Ivy and Ed are just there, in the background.

Ian only recently started his affair with Cindy, the whole tournament thing is going nowhere for now and only just in Chapter 9 did Ian even get a chance to get into the relationship with Lena.

Lena has played into Seymor's hands, so we have reached the climax of that story. Ian has chosen his dream girl and succeeded with her, so we have reached the climax there. Lena has ether chosen her man or chosen not to have one, so we have reached the climax there.

The climax of the story isn't the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning, and that's when writing a story starts to get hard.

So cut EK some slack.

 

[Mesmerizet]

Is the last official update (0.9) really dated as back as Oct 2021?
Guess we are nearing a year.

 

[okfairenough]

Is the last official update (0.9) really dated as back as Oct 2021?
Guess we are nearing a year.

Yeah, it sucks. I think it's because the multi protagonist approach proved too complex and is causing too much time to be spent. I wish Eva made a simpler game like GGGB.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I wasn't being vague. Because you can't comprehend it just speaks to the fact that you don't actually understand creative work. Maybe you write greeting cards, poop out crappy commercial graphic design, or something like that (though I doubt you do any of those things either). But regardless, it's not the same thing.

It's not worth explaining further, since you've proven from your reactions so far that it would be a wasted effort.

I'm also interested in what you are talking about. Could you maybe elaborate on what you mean? You just sound like you are dismissing the point without actually having anything to counter it with.

Way in the first post, I was replying to this: "So tell me again, how is it not "reality"? How come she still hasn't finished Ian's part 25 days after saying she is "finishing writing Ian's part?" "

If you can't understand how stories can change as you're writing them, that you go back and touch things up, discover a different tangent, or add foreshadowing to an earlier part of a chapter based on something you discovered in the writing in a later part, then you don't have a good understanding of how the creative process works.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Lena has played into Seymor's hands, so we have reached the climax of that story. Ian has chosen his dream girl and succeeded with her, so we have reached the climax there. Lena has ether chosen her man or chosen not to have one, so we have reached the climax there.

This is literally just when the things are starting to get interesting. What will come from Ian having an affair with Cindy if he is with Lena? Hell, what will happen with Ian if he has an affair with Cindy behind Wade's back? What about his writing contest and his boss that he is hate-fucking behind her husbands back? What will come from Lena/Ian cheating behind Ian/Lena's back? All I'm saying is, if you expect this to be the climax of the story then that would be incredibly disappointing.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Way in the first post, I was replying to this: "So tell me again, how is it not "reality"? How come she still hasn't finished Ian's part 25 days after saying she is "finishing writing Ian's part?" "

If you can't understand how stories can change as you're writing them, that you go back and touch things up, discover a different tangent, or add foreshadowing to an earlier part of a chapter based on something you discovered in the writing in a later part, then you don't have a good understanding of how the creative process works.

You literally said nothing with this. It's again just broad terms you are throwing around with 0 meaning. Yes, I do understand stuff gets changed all the time, that isn't the point. The point is that the Dev is clearly lacking with delivering the product and not doing anything to change.

You aren't explaining why I'm wrong to think so, you are just telling me why the thing is the way it is, which I always understood.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

You literally said nothing with this. It's again just broad terms you are throwing around with 0 meaning. Yes, I do understand stuff gets changed all the time, that isn't the point. The point is that the Dev is clearly lacking with delivering the product and not doing anything to change.

You aren't explaining why I'm wrong to think so, you are just telling me why the thing is the way it is, which I always understood.

I'm saying that your "proof" she wasn't working on it is bullshit, since that's not how writing works. Based on your responses, it seemed obvious that you did not understand that. But now, of course, you're changing the goalpost. I agree with this part: "the Dev is clearly lacking with delivering the product". But that's not what you claimed in the post I referred to and not what I was disputing.

"Not doing anything to change" - also bullshit, if you've read her most recent post. Will hiring a new artist and outsourcing even more for coding help cut the time down for future releases? Who knows. We hope so. But that's clearly doing something "to change."