Also thought it was removed, but even when not dating Holly still interrupts or was ir Ivy. So I think the trigger was changed. You can still activate it through the console though.
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I'm using the Ren'py Universal Mod and I can't find the trigger for it. Any tips?
Well, in my playthroughs, my Lena impresses Seymour right at the first dinner with her philosopher choice and the two work really well together, no blackmail. I absolutely hope there will be a path where Lena and Seymour can send Emma packing with a flourish!
My opinion of Emma plummeted to the bottom after her "beer attack" on Seymour when she admitted that she has zero proof that Seymour is doing something sinister, but insisted she was right and would have done so anyway!
I have the dubious pleasure to know some activists of this kind. Smug, blinkered know-it-all-better, who are always "right", no matter how much proof and evidence you have that they are anything but right! And think they can get away with anything, because of their "superior" morals. I loath these self-censored!
And Emma has shown herself to be that kind of activist. Therefore, even not being the biggest fan of Seymour, I sincerely hope we get a path where we can give Emma a bit of her own medicine and the kick in the a.. she deserves. And like another player said, it would be a really nice twist when in the end it comes out that Seymour really has no sinister plans, but is just a rich guy looking for a new hobby or Lena´s secret dad.
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Alright, I found it.
I guess one of the many versions that came after the Alpha changed the clause for threesome being that Ian and Lena are not a couple (Ian and Lena Couple = False) which explains the lack of Lena reaction to the fact that she is cheating on Ian with Jeremy.
I don't think that's it, because I just changed all the ian_lena variables to false and holly still interrupts when luise wants to pop the question.
It's v10_jeremy_3some, but something involving holly is preventing that I think.
It's v10_jeremy_3some, but something involving holly is preventing that I think.
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Holly always interrupts Lena and Louis because that's how the game is programed. Louis comes BACK to Lena after the concert to finish her question (the invite for 3some). For this, you need to have "Ian and Lena Couple = False" and "Lena BBC" or "Lena and Louis Sex"
It's not easy to obtain actual proof of criminal activity. If it was, then there wouldn't be tons of literal gangsters operating with impunity, even though it's widely known these people are criminals.
Yeah Seymour is such a nice dude who only blackmails Lena if she says no to his pervy business venture and makes it so she loses her jobs to put more pressure on her. I'm sure it's all a misunderstanding.
He's the main antagonist of the story and Emma's gonna be proven right, give it time.
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Oh yeah, because make Lena lose her job on the restaurant, make her get no new photograph jobs anymore, threat block her bank accounts, take Ed and Molly's café just to force her accept his "offer" making her financially dependent on him plus threat ruin Ian's future is not sinister at all. It just, as you say, "a rich guy looking for a new hobby".
Emma was, in fact, still kind with him in that scene.
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Nice bait
What you don´t get or don´t want to get about Emma, is not if Seymour is an antagonist in ORS or not, but the way she operates in general! She has no proof, just a feeling or idea. But this feeling, which could be fully wrong, convinces her she is completely right and simply follows this, obstructing and attacking someone only going by this feeling!
This is not about Seymour, who might be or might be not in murky business, this is about what she would do to anyone! If she would get the idea that Lena or Ian or Joe Doe or Jane Doe are into something she does not like, she would do to them what she does to Seymour, no matter if she has evidence or not!
That is my point here, Seymour being a maybe antagonist of the game, just glosses over this behaviour. I know people in real life thinking like that, you do not wanr them to be your friends! Because for them, only their opinion counts, no matter if right or wrong.
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How truly delusioned do you have to be with everything that screams Antagonist with Geymour with everything he does to screw over Lena out of jobs and making money, threatens to screw over Ian possibly with his book, for you to 'Seymour is a "maybe" antagonist....
Truly amazes me with how naive and delusioned people can be at denying the obivious and clear as day shit of a character. Then again, most want to see what they want to see and have things fit their own narrative without acknowleging reality of a character like Geymour.
But maybe what you don't want to or don't get is that perhaps it's not how Emma operates "in general", but just your own prejudice towards certain sort of personality causing you to attribute it to her?
Maybe she simply does have valid reasons to think of Seymour as a criminal, the kind of behavior of his that other people listed and you even quoted... and that's what is causing her to act specifically towards Seymour the way she does?
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But we know that she is right about him, since we are the readers who know things that characters doesn't know and we are see the things Seymour is capable to do. So, sorry if we don't sympathize with the rich guy the we know deserved what happened to him.
Funny thing that both Ian and Lena can disagree with Emma's views right on her face and no, she doesn't do something like that to them.
I don't know man Emma is pretty chill in general, for her to act like that she must be pretty sure he's doing some nasty shit and with how he's behaving with Lena it's not hard to believe he did some nasty shit to others who started talking about him and Emma heard the stories. Anyway this is a moot conversation because we already know Emma's right and Seymour is a piece of shit.
You really do not want to get it, right? It does not matter here if Seymour is the main antagonist or not, Emma herself states that she goes by her gut feeling, which may be right or may be wrong and acts on this!
If Emma would get the feeling that Mr. or Mrs. Average are up to thing like Seymour, she would do the same to them, going by simple feeling.
As I said, I have the dubious pleasure to know some people, who like Emma think they are always "right" with their opinion, no matter if that is true or not.
And here is once again the crux of this discussion: Emma might be right in Seymours case, BUT and this is my main point(!) she would act the same even if she were wrong about him!! She goes only by her own opinion. She might be right with Seymour, but she will never be always right with her gut feeling!
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Seymour Ward: blackmailer, wealthy oligarch, psychopath. With the help of the corrupt city's goverment, he ruins and buys up all business, monopolizes the city's economy, which allows him to break any prices. Seymour deprives a huge number of people of work and housing. A follower of Nietzschean philosophy from the 19th century "survival of the fittest." He lacks empathy for those around him. He pursues the girl, deprives her of her job and weaves a web in such a way that she gets into his net at a difficult moment for her. The embodiment of all the worst that can be in people.
Seymour fans: No no, you misunderstood him. He is respected and not such a bad person, you can negotiate with him and make a good deal! He gives jobs to people!
Emma: Poured beer on Seymour.
Seymour fans: YOU SCUM!! HANDS OFF BUSINESSMAN, FUCKING ACTIVIST! MOB! WORST CHARACTER! 10 LIFE TERMS IN PRISON!
Seymour fans: No no, you misunderstood him. He is respected and not such a bad person, you can negotiate with him and make a good deal! He gives jobs to people!
Emma: Poured beer on Seymour.
Seymour fans: YOU SCUM!! HANDS OFF BUSINESSMAN, FUCKING ACTIVIST! MOB! WORST CHARACTER! 10 LIFE TERMS IN PRISON!
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And this is one of the woes of these times: Too many people going only by who says something, not what is said!!
I am NOT even fan of Seymour, as REPEATEDLY said, Seymour is not the point here, it could be anybody! Emma goes and acts by by simple opinion and gutfeeling, not evidence or so! In Seymour´s case she might right, but put just for a moment Mr and Mrs. Average in Seymour´s slot in the game. Who have done nothing like him! Emma would STILL treat them like she does Seymour, because she goes by gut feeling and the believe to always be right only!
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My post was written in a joking ironic style. You taked it too serious.
Your post is just demagogy and speculation. You don't have any facts or evidence that Emma's actions are based on opinion and not on knowledge of the real facts about Seymour's cases.
The fact that Seymour is a mob elitist is as simple as adding two plus two, and anyone familiar with the political and economic situation in Baluart will understand this.
You don't have any proof that Emma would be prejudiced against any people.
On the contrary, as we can see from her behavior, she is as friendly as possible with everyone else in the game, sociable, easy-going. I didn't see Emma being hostile or judgmental towards anyone.
Where do you get the information that Emma will treat people the way you think? It doesn't look like a real assessment of the character, more like a bait provocative post.
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Fixed it for you.
What, you seriesouly expect her to go running around pouring beer on the average person? Just cause she has a feeling on a person? How much of an idiot can you be with that assumation with zero proof to back up your claim on that? If that was the case, Ivy and Jeremy, under your logic, would deserve a beer all over their clothes. Guess what, doesn't happen.
Not sorry to pop that little bubble of yours.