VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Geralt From Rivia]

Fixed it for you.



What, you seriesouly expect her to go running around pouring beer on the average person? Just cause she has a feeling on a person? How much of an idiot can you be with that assumation with zero proof to back up your claim on that? If that was the case, Ivy and Jeremy, under your logic, would deserve a beer all over their clothes. Guess what, doesn't happen.

Not sorry to pop that little bubble of yours.

Already all the characters in the game who had contact with Emma had to take things to the dry cleaners. because "EMMA IS READY TO SPLASH BEER ON EVERYONE" Strange that still didn't happen.

 

[bauman]

The dev confirmed years ago that Seymour is the main bad guy in ORS. So far, we haven't seen too much of him doing wicked shit, especially if Lena is on good terms with him, but this will change once the story picks up. I expect the player will get an option to pick a side in the conflict between him and Emma.

 

[Turret]

Fixed it for you.



What, you seriesouly expect her to go running around pouring beer on the average person? Just cause she has a feeling on a person? How much of an idiot can you be with that assumation with zero proof to back up your claim on that? If that was the case, Ivy and Jeremy, under your logic, would deserve a beer all over their clothes. Guess what, doesn't happen.

Not sorry to pop that little bubble of yours.

Once more into the breach for the kiddies:
Emma treats Seymour like she does, because of her opinion and gutfeeling, not evidence or proof! She opposes ,antagonises and attacks him because of her opinion only. She even states she has no proof. Now in Seymour´s Emma is/might be/might be not right.

Now put for one moment Mr. and Mrs. Average, who are nothing like and have done nothing like Seymour did, into Seymour´s slot. Emma get´s the gutfeeling that the Averages are a rich criminals, skimming the city for their own gain (which they are not, as we know). Emma would treat them like she does Seymour, because she goes by her opinion and gutfeeling alone, as we have seen. She believes them to be what Seymour is. Now Emma´s behaviour is not so cool anymore, hmm? It is easy to cheer her on when you know that a major antagonist is in her crosshairs, but when it´s just some poor sod who got in Emma´s sights by pure chance, then you see what her behaviour really is!

Already all the characters in the game who had contact with Emma had to take things to the dry cleaners. because "EMMA IS READY TO SPLASH BEER ON EVERYONE" Strange that still didn't happen.

Apples and oranges, Chummer apples and oranges! Emma does not care about that Jeremy sleeps himslef through half the beds in the city, but if Jeremy would be in a similar position as Seymour is(no matter if it is true or not), she would throw beer on him in a heartbeat.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

It is easy to cheer her on when you know that a major antagonist is in her crosshairs, but when it´s just some poor sod who got in Emma´s sights by pure chance, then you see what her behaviour really is!

Apples and oranges, Chummer apples and oranges! Emma does not care about that Jeremy sleeps himslef through half the beds in the city, but if Jeremy would be in a similar position as Seymour is(no matter if it is true or not), she would throw beer on him in a heartbeat.

And why should she care about Jeremy's personal life and who does he sleep with?
That is, if Jeremy was the main elitist oligarch in the city destroying people's destinies, then she would do the same, because Jeremy would be an elitist oligarch who destroys people's destinies. This is quite logical.
Again, you provided no evidence that Emma's position is based on guesswork, not facts. Weak line. You need to come up with something better.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

What you don´t get or don´t want to get about Emma, is not if Seymour is an antagonist in ORS or not, but the way she operates in general! She has no proof, just a feeling or idea. But this feeling, which could be fully wrong, convinces her she is completely right and simply follows this, obstructing and attacking someone only going by this feeling!
This is not about Seymour, who might be or might be not in murky business, this is about what she would do to anyone! If she would get the idea that Lena or Ian or Joe Doe or Jane Doe are into something she does not like, she would do to them what she does to Seymour, no matter if she has evidence or not!
That is my point here, Seymour being a maybe antagonist of the game, just glosses over this behaviour. I know people in real life thinking like that, you do not wanr them to be your friends! Because for them, only their opinion counts, no matter if right or wrong.

Average Elon Musk fan

 

[Turret]

And why should she care about Jeremy's personal life and who does he sleep with?
That is, if Jeremy was the main elitist oligarch in the city destroying people's destinies, then she would do the same, because Jeremy would be an elitist oligarch who destroys people's destinies. This is quite logical.
Again, you provided no evidence that Emma's position is based on guesswork, not facts. Weak line. You need to come up with something better.

Emma provides in-game evidence that she goes by guesswork and gutfeeling herself, play more than just the "I wanna fuck Emma´s butt" path! For instance, when Lena talks with Emma about her attack on Seymour and later on when going to the disco, it is openly stated that she has no proof but her feeling that Seymour is a baddie. Reinforced if Lena asks Emma if she is sure to be right about Seymour and Emma shows that she is not really 100% sure about it. Still, she treats him like she does, opposing, antagonising and attacking, just because of her opinion.
As I said, it is easy to cheer Emma on if you know the guy in her sights is a baddie, but Emma will not always be right going by just gutfeeling.

 

[SerHawkes]

As I said, it is easy to cheer Emma on if you know the guy in her sights is a baddie, but Emma will not always be right going by just gutfeeling.

And if that is the preverbal case, and if she fucks up, she can always own it and apologize. She seems like the person to own up her mistakes, unlike some of the characters in the game, let alone people in real life.

Again, baseless assumptions without any evidence that she would treat anyone like Geymour based on her feelings.

But do go on preaching to the choir... We're enraptured.

 

[ffive]

Emma provides in-game evidence that she goes by guesswork and gutfeeling herself, play more than just the "I wanna fuck Emma´s butt" path! For instance, when Lena talks with Emma about her attack on Seymour and later on when going to the disco, it is openly stated that she has no proof but her feeling that Seymour is a baddie. Reinforced if Lena asks Emma if she is sure to be right about Seymour and Emma shows that she is not really 100% sure about it.

Could you provide some transcript or screenshot for that? Because i can't find in the game script any talk between Lena and Emma to such effect. Instead, there is this discussion between Emma, Ian and rest of the gang, in Chapter 8:

    i "So, Emma... About what happened yesterday..."
    i "Are you positive Seymour Ward is responsible for all those things you accused him of?"
    e "Yeah. Some of his shady dealings have come to light recently. Everyone knows in my circles."

This definitely doesn't sound like Emma stating she doesn't know what she's talking about and is just guessing, to me.

For Lena and Emma there's this, in Chapter 10:

                l "Actually, he's not so bad..."
                e "What do you mean, he's not so bad?"
                e "Do you know who you're working with?"
                "Emma would never understand. She was blinded by her prejudices."
                l "I think I know him better than you do... Maybe you should try speaking to him before casting your judgment."
                e "I..."
                e "I doubt anything he could say would make me change my mind. I know what he's involved in and what kind of man he is."
                e "But I didn't want to upset you. It's just..."
                l "Let's best drop the subject, alright? I need to focus on the concert..."
                e "Sure."

Again, there's nothing from Emma that suggests she's just guessing things and isn't 100% sure. It's Lena who thinks that, if Lena's disposition towards Seymour is positive.

 

[Doppelgang]

It’s interesting that someone can hate activist so much that it clouds their judgement of a completely obvious part of the plot in a porn game. Someone should invent a word for that.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Emma provides in-game evidence that she goes by guesswork and gutfeeling herself, play more than just the "I wanna fuck Emma´s butt" path! For instance, when Lena talks with Emma about her attack on Seymour and later on when going to the disco, it is openly stated that she has no proof but her feeling that Seymour is a baddie. Reinforced if Lena asks Emma if she is sure to be right about Seymour and Emma shows that she is not really 100% sure about it. Still, she treats him like she does, opposing, antagonising and attacking, just because of her opinion.
As I said, it is easy to cheer Emma on if you know the guy in her sights is a baddie, but Emma will not always be right going by just gutfeeling.

Thanks to ffive I see that you are spreading fake news. She is aware of his shady business dealings in Baruart and how he keeps people on the streets.

Even if you were right that Emma doesn't have any direct evidence of Seymour's guilt, she would be right in the end - because her speculation and opinion would hit the mark because we learn that Seymour is the main antagonist and he is a corrupt oligarch. Plus, he's creepy. It would only speak of Emma's high intelligence and that she would never harm an innocent person.

Your blame line is based on your playthroughs where Lena gets caught up in Seymour's net and becomes his plaything, meaning you play as the ultimate "bad Lena". Apparently you have not tried other runs where the situation unfolds in a completely different way, so your opinion is biased and definitely not a fact. It is based on Emma's blind accusation without evidence, on rumors, and most likely you would accuse any person like that without having reliable information about him, without knowing the whole situation.

 

[mommysboiii]

Alright, I found it.

I guess one of the many versions that came after the Alpha changed the clause for threesome being that Ian and Lena are not a couple (Ian and Lena Couple = False) which explains the lack of Lena reaction to the fact that she is cheating on Ian with Jeremy.

that sucks i really dont like this relationship restrictions whoever does this eva or her mods that help her its so annoying I just want to play my cheracters they way I want cant be that difficult if I wanna cheat with ian I want to be able too , If I want to play a ian that cant get over his ex I want to play this way , if I want to play a ian that get cucked by axel with cindy,holly, or alison in a relationship I want to be able to play loser ian ,chad ian, normal ian and so on.... but I cant if everything is restricted because of crybabys in the internet.

 

[Flowing Thought]

You need to have some limit on possible scenarios to keep development from spreading too widely. If you start allowing more and more conditionals it will become a huge mess.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

that sucks i really dont like this relationship restrictions whoever does this eva or her mods that help her its so annoying I just want to play my cheracters they way I want cant be that difficult if I wanna cheat with ian I want to be able too , If I want to play a ian that cant get over his ex I want to play this way , if I want to play a ian that get cucked by axel with cindy,holly, or alison in a relationship I want to be able to play loser ian ,chad ian, normal ian and so on.... but I cant if everything is restricted because of crybabys in the internet.

I've shared this sentiment when Chapter 9 came out and you couldn't get into a relationship with Ian if Lena fucked Jeremy which made no sense as it was the only clause preventing them from getting together despite the two not being in a committed relationship when it happened. And judging by events of Chapter 10, this would have no major impact on the story that would complicate it too much.

Luckily, where Chapter 10 ends, it looks like the next update might have that development albeit in a way that I am not a fan off.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

You need to have some limit on possible scenarios to keep development from spreading too widely. If you start allowing more and more conditionals it will become a huge mess.

This would make sense if not for the fact that we already had Chapter 10 come out and nothing in it would complicate the story at all. Lena interacts with Jeremy twice, one in the Blazer Club where she literally can cheat on Ian with 2 different guys and another when she has threesome with him and Allison. I don't see how this would complicate stuff too much.

I'd personally make the clauses to be "Lena and Louis Relationship > 5" and "Jeremy and Ian Relationship <5" for it to happen. That way, if Jeremy and Ian aren't the best of friends, Jeremy could go for his Girlfriend and If Louis and Lena are good enough friends then she would feel comfortable to ask her about it. Of course, this is assuming Lena already cheated on Ian with Axel and Mike and has BBC obsession.

 

[ffive]

This would make sense if not for the fact that we already had Chapter 10 come out and nothing in it would complicate the story at all. Lena interacts with Jeremy twice, one in the Blazer Club where she literally can cheat on Ian with 2 different guys and another when she has threesome with him and Allison. I don't see how this would complicate stuff too much.

I'd imagine Eva has planned for Jeremy to be a full relationship option for Lena, or at least so much of (bbc) infatuation that once she samples it she's no longer interested in serious relationship with anyone else, Ian included. If that's the case we'll probably see some developments in next chapter(s).

 

[JohnnyKiss]

I'd imagine Eva has planned for Jeremy to be a full relationship option for Lena, or at least so much of (bbc) infatuation that once she samples it she's no longer interested in serious relationship with anyone else, Ian included. If that's the case we'll probably see some developments in next chapter(s).

Oh yeah, absolutely. I trust Eva knows better than me the things she has planned for Lena and Jeremy. It's just frustrated not to have those options yet.

As for what I think she has planned for the two, I doubt a full relationship between Lena and Jeremy will be a thing in a near future. It most likely will be but in the distant future.

As for the next Chapter, I'm pretty sure Eva is going for the "Bull Route" for Jeremy. So far, his every interaction with Ian revolves around the women he fucks and sending Ian pictures and videos of him doing so while Ian jerks of to, not to mention Lena can also jerk off Ian while talking about other "Dicks" she had. And we now know there is a planned "Cuck Route" for Ian that should have a big play in Chapter 11, according to one of the weekly updates.

 

[mommysboiii]

This would make sense if not for the fact that we already had Chapter 10 come out and nothing in it would complicate the story at all. Lena interacts with Jeremy twice, one in the Blazer Club where she literally can cheat on Ian with 2 different guys and another when she has threesome with him and Allison. I don't see how this would complicate stuff too much.

I'd personally make the clauses to be "Lena and Louis Relationship > 5" and "Jeremy and Ian Relationship <5" for it to happen. That way, if Jeremy and Ian aren't the best of friends, Jeremy could go for his Girlfriend and If Louis and Lena are good enough friends then she would feel comfortable to ask her about it. Of course, this is assuming Lena already cheated on Ian with Axel and Mike and has BBC obsession.

especilly that most things are already in game for example holly corruption , holly dress different ivy pseudos holly and gives marks number , holly gives a blowjob to mark , holly talking about stranger fantasy and so on...already in game why we cant do this if in a relationship with ian if I wanna do a loser ian run??? I mean its already in game and cant be that complcated to make it OPTIONAL for people like me without hurting our strong ALPHA GUY playerbase I really hope that at least the alison underperfromance has slow burn corruption progression and consequences in the future on ians mind and alison hornyness and change

 

[ffive]

As for the next Chapter, I'm pretty sure Eva is going for the "Bull Route" for Jeremy. So far, his every interaction with Ian revolves around the women he fucks and sending Ian pictures and videos of him doing so while Ian jerks of to, not to mention Lena can also jerk off Ian while talking about other "Dicks" she had. And we now know there is a planned "Cuck Route" for Ian that should have a big play in Chapter 11, according to one of the weekly updates.

Hmm my Ian and Jeremy just have friendly talks about relationship stuff happening in their respective lives, without sharing any pictures. So that's be something of a waste for me, since i'd likely see none of it. But for these on "cuck route" it makes sense as an addition, yeah.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

Hmm my Ian and Jeremy just have friendly talks about relationship stuff happening in their respective lives, without sharing any pictures.

In other words, they have nothing.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

The Emma/Seymour debate seems to have moved beyond game discussion and into ad hominem attacks. Let's move to other topics please. Thank you.