You mean the novel responses back and forth? Yeah I'm not reading that.
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You're right that's probably to far back. Could have just as easily scrolled up 5 posts and read that.
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when a game is completed it says in the header of the thread. So no, it is not completed. You will know when it is completed because you will see in blue, the tag completed, beside the tags - VN/Renpy/Completed. It is so easy to know that you don't even need to deep dive, just look up the header of the game thread.
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On a real note, I would expect at least a month and a half, it could be longer it could be shorter, more likely the former though. All just speculation though. The major scenes are almost done, it seems like at least half of the scenes are written and most of the artwork is completed.
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I'm glad that we can at least agree on this. With the rest, still no progress, but it's fine. Your criteria for corruption is based on actions and attitude (coercion / manipulation) from a necessary third party. And mommysboi's criteria for some reason seems to include NTR that he views as a necessary part... My criteria is simply the difference from where the character starts and where they end, regardless of the intent to corrupt, the attitude or the actions taken or even a third party involved because I view corruption as a path that leads towards the outcome significantly different from where the character started due to various circumstances. For example, having a shameful repressed kink and then growing into accepting it simply from watching porn in my eyes constitutes as self-induced corruption. Like Ash being influenced by incest porn to seduce her father.
I've read multiple stories that featured different styles / ways of corruption. One stood out to me (and is my favorite) - where the good, moral protagonist tries to be a good supportive friend or lover, and then they end up triggering a corruption path for other characters perhaps even unwillingly or reluctantly, having the best intentions in mind, ultimately corrupting themselves as well in the process because their awareness of normality changes to previously unthinkable status quo. I call it "mutual corruption" because both characters end up influencing each other.
For example, let's imagine this situation (my last attempt to prove that there's more to corruption):
Lena opens up to Ian about being blackmailed by Seymour crying to him that she doesn't know what else to do and that she wants to break away but doesn't know how and considering the poor and unstable situation with her jobs, she can only find comfort that it gives her the opportunity to keep sending money to her parents. In this scenario Seymour is not so much a corruptive force but said unexpected circumstance for Ian and Lena to deal with. And Ian, being the supportive and understanding boyfriend that he wants to be, not seeing the immediate way out and feeling pretty useless, tries to do the only thing he can - comfort Lena and take her worries away to the best of his ability. He tells her that the situation is horrible and he wishes he knew what to do, and they'll try to figure it out as a team but in the moment he wants her to feel safe around him and he lets her know that she doesn't have to fear judgment from him, that no matter what she was coerced into, it wouldn't be her fault even if the animal part of her was deep down enjoying the experience. And if it helped her feel better, she could share what occured on her encounters, which he'd obviously keep secret, firstly to help her follow the non-disclosure agreement while having support system at home, and secondly to salvage her new crazy sexual experience to arouse each other. Fast forward to Lena accepting her situation, with Ian's help learning to let go and enjoy her sessions with Seymour because of how turned on being in a submissive role made her, Ian even telling her to act more seductive around Seymour to feel at least somewhat in control while they're together. And Lena would in time actually be happy with her situation, using easy money to spoil Ian and sort her financial difficulties, helping her parents, even buying fancy equipment to pursue her singing passion. And if Emma-ex-machina found a way to actually get rid of Seymour, she'd feel reluctant to disrupt her newfound happiness, and Ian could tell her that if she wanted to stop, he'd be happy to help to finally rescue her out of her trap, but if she actually loved her new lifestyle and didn't want to let go, then he'd be supportive of that as well, considering how much fun it brought to their relationship.
So, in this hypothetical scenario, who gets to actually corrupt Lena? Is it Seymour with his coercion lucky enough that Ian unknowingly is playing into his hand? Or is it actually Ian, with his misguided attempt to help Lena feel better about her blackmail, causes the change in Lena's mindset? Would you agree that the change in mindset is the key factor for corruption to happen? If not, then I guess let's agree to disagree and stop it at that
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but this dosent make sens if ian starts as a normal guy and than has his fitness jurney and than beaing more like axel i would not call that corruption at all it seems like for you as long as a cheracter change different from his starting point it is considert corruption. Which I would definitly not agree with.
ntr and corruption kinda go hand in hand I mean we are talking about a erotic game so we talking about sexual corruption about sexual lust and desire.
So ofc if a cheracter gets corrupted and change their sexual desire and lust its very likely that they start cheating if they need more and more to satisfire their lust and greed or even develop a cheating kink that they like the rush of getting caught up in the act.
Wouldn't Ashley from GGGB disprove that though? She can break up with Eric long before she starts having sex with Jess, Jack, Wilson, Jasmin, or anyone else. Before she finds out that she can enjoy choking, cum play, gang bangs, anal or other "taboo" sex.
That right there shows that there are a lot of ways to "corrupt" someone without NTR. Corruption depends entirely on the starting perspective of the character, and how the perspective twists and folds as the story progresses.
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I would not say that without ntr there is no corruption ofc a single women or men can be corrupted but ntr plays a big part with corruption especially if ian or lena are in a relationship which can be the case or cheracters like holly,cindy,alsion that can probably have corruption too in the future and they can also be in a relationship.
I think its very unlikly if a cheracters that is sexually corrupted and is very lustful and keeps seeking more and more and more sexual kicks that they stay loyal at all because their lust and desires already took over them this is why its called corruption because there primal instinct for pleasure completly took control over their Brain ,logical thinking, decision making and love feelings thats why I said corruption and ntr kinda goes hand in hand if in a realationship.
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Seymour 100% lol.I'm glad that we can at least agree on this. With the rest, still no progress, but it's fine. Your criteria for corruption is based on actions and attitude (coercion / manipulation) from a necessary third party. And mommysboi's criteria for some reason seems to include NTR that he views as a necessary part... My criteria is simply the difference from where the character starts and where they end, regardless of the intent to corrupt, the attitude or the actions taken or even a third party involved because I view corruption as a path that leads towards the outcome significantly different from where the character started due to various circumstances. For example, having a shameful repressed kink and then growing into accepting it simply from watching porn in my eyes constitutes as self-induced corruption. Like Ash being influenced by incest porn to seduce her father.
I've read multiple stories that featured different styles / ways of corruption. One stood out to me (and is my favorite) - where the good, moral protagonist tries to be a good supportive friend or lover, and then they end up triggering a corruption path for other characters perhaps even unwillingly or reluctantly, having the best intentions in mind, ultimately corrupting themselves as well in the process because their awareness of normality changes to previously unthinkable status quo. I call it "mutual corruption" because both characters end up influencing each other.
For example, let's imagine this situation (my last attempt to prove that there's more to corruption):
Lena opens up to Ian about being blackmailed by Seymour crying to him that she doesn't know what else to do and that she wants to break away but doesn't know how and considering the poor and unstable situation with her jobs, she can only find comfort that it gives her the opportunity to keep sending money to her parents. In this scenario Seymour is not so much a corruptive force but said unexpected circumstance for Ian and Lena to deal with. And Ian, being the supportive and understanding boyfriend that he wants to be, not seeing the immediate way out and feeling pretty useless, tries to do the only thing he can - comfort Lena and take her worries away to the best of his ability. He tells her that the situation is horrible and he wishes he knew what to do, and they'll try to figure it out as a team but in the moment he wants her to feel safe around him and he lets her know that she doesn't have to fear judgment from him, that no matter what she was coerced into, it wouldn't be her fault even if the animal part of her was deep down enjoying the experience. And if it helped her feel better, she could share what occured on her encounters, which he'd obviously keep secret, firstly to help her follow the non-disclosure agreement while having support system at home, and secondly to salvage her new crazy sexual experience to arouse each other. Fast forward to Lena accepting her situation, with Ian's help learning to let go and enjoy her sessions with Seymour because of how turned on being in a submissive role made her, Ian even telling her to act more seductive around Seymour to feel at least somewhat in control while they're together. And Lena would in time actually be happy with her situation, using easy money to spoil Ian and sort her financial difficulties, helping her parents, even buying fancy equipment to pursue her singing passion. And if Emma-ex-machina found a way to actually get rid of Seymour, she'd feel reluctant to disrupt her newfound happiness, and Ian could tell her that if she wanted to stop, he'd be happy to help to finally rescue her out of her trap, but if she actually loved her new lifestyle and didn't want to let go, then he'd be supportive of that as well, considering how much fun it brought to their relationship.
So, in this hypothetical scenario, who gets to actually corrupt Lena? Is it Seymour with his coercion lucky enough that Ian unknowingly is playing into his hand? Or is it actually Ian, with his misguided attempt to help Lena feel better about her blackmail, causes the change in Lena's mindset? Would you agree that the change in mindset is the key factor for corruption to happen? If not, then I guess let's agree to disagree and stop it at that
Again the key difference to me is that Ian and Lena could get into cuckholdry and submissive plays without a nasty old man actually blackmailing Lena into it as the catalyst of their change. Change in itself is not corruption to me, and almost all change is impossible without external influences, so exerting some influence that results in change alone is not the same as "corrupting someone". The point where "change" and "influence" crosses the line into "corruption" is when it becomes pressure intentionally applied against the best interests of self-determination of a person.
I have never denied that change isn't a prerequisite of corruption, I have only argued that not all change (and so not all influence) is corruption. I think the core of our disagreement is that I attribute to the act of "corrupting" a degree of malice, or at the very least recklessness, it is not something someone can "innocently" be the culprit of. You on the other hand argue the opposite, that corruption is merely any influence that results in change, and so whoever has the most influence is always the "most guilty" of corrupting a person.
It is the argument of "culpability" vs "responsability", is someone that is unwittingly an accessory for a crime just as guilty as the actual criminal just because they were an essential part of the execution of said crime?
Could also relate this to the paradox of tolerance, an influential person that wishes to not "corrupt" another would be careful to not "weaponize" their influence into a form of pressure, but if their goal is to protect the integrity of a person who already has many other agents seeking to corrupt them in one way, the best they could actually do is not to remain neutral with their influence, but rather turn it into pressure on the opposite direction as a balancing factor. That's why, for instance, many models and athletes are often invited to make PSAs regarding body positivity and self-esteem to counteract the bullying that often borrows from their image and influence to affect the victims.
So, to me, in your example, Ian's ideal course of action to help Lena may have been to push her in the opposite direction to balance out Seymour's corruption. His failure to do that may turn him into a "useful idiot" that through his soft support may accidentally lend his significative influence over Lena to assist Seymour's corruption. Does that make him responsible for the changes Lena goes through? Somewhat. Does it make him guilty of corrupting her? In my opinion it does not.
But this might just be a difference of opinion that we have, and I'm okay to agree to disagree, it was still a very interesting discussion to me
.Two points here: One, Cindy was selected over Ivy for Wildcats because they specifically wanted a new face, something an established model like Ivy simply isn't. It doesn't mean Cindy is above Ivy's league, merely that there's one point where she has advantage (but the reverse side of this is, she's at disadvantage if the situation was reversed)
And two, if Cindy's attraction is supposed to prove anything, then it maybe shows that Wade was in Ivy's league. Considering Cindy has currently very serious doubts whether she wants to have anything to do with him anymore.
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Not just different but has a more relaxed view on morality: feeling neutral or positive about promiscuity / obsessed with a certain fetish / cheating (but not necessarily) / willing to betray his ideals for temptation. Basically willing to do something that he would either criticize other people for or at least be worried for them at the start of the game. For example, he can joke about Perry being a voyeur (when he says he's okay just looking at Cherry without making a move on her), meaning that he thinks that voyeurism is a bit weird and probably shameful if it's with a girl you like. And yet, when Jeremy sends him photos of Alison being naughty, his lust overcomes him and he himself becomes a voyeur. That is the obvious example of corruption because Ian feels guilty pleasure about Jeremy sending pics of Alison without her permission.
And yes, if Ian starts acting like a selfish asshole (and he considers Axel to be a selfish asshole), then it's corruption of Ian. Now, if he simply becomes a player but is open and respectful about it, accepting rejections and not pushing anybody, and not acting jealous towards girls he sleeps with, then I wouldn't call it corruption because while he'd be a player, yes, he'd be a morally responsible player who doesn't hurt anybody with his actions (including his friends who might have a crush on said girls, like Emma). It's just evolution of Ian who wants to be more confident and doesn't want to hurt himself with Gillian 2.0.
A corrupted person in a relationship might want to corrupt their partner, too, so they can both enjoy mindless sex and various debaucheries, be it via swinging or open relationship or a cuckold lifestyle. A corrupted individual doesn't mean 100% selfish individual without any integrity. They can still love their partner, but want sexual freedom, too. And if their partner doesn't share their view and acts jealous, they can break up (or take a break like Cindy did with Wade).
Okay, I hear where you're coming from. Obviously the actual criminals are guilty while others can share responsibility but not the blame, it's not even a discussion. I guess our difference lies in who we see as the criminal in this analogy. You think it's the person doing the corruption, but I see the person being corrupted as a future criminal on their villain arc (IF they end up doing bad / irresponsible things according to their own starting morality). And because the person is on their villain arc I just don't see much point in finding the person guilty for making them a criminal (aka "We live in a society"), criminals aren't always pressured or coerced to do the crime, they choose to act based on external influence and their internal justification but they can only blame themselves for making that choice to go through with the crime.
One last thing (it's too engaging
). If you think of a person doing the corrupting as a criminal it paints the person getting corrupted as an innocent victim which robs them of agency. They're a human being with their own agency and they're making a choice when they do bad or irresponsible things. Lena can't blame Seymour for making her cheat on Ian (the moral action here is either to break up with Ian or just be honest with him and explain her problem if he promises to keep it a secret) or blame Jeremy's dick for making her treat Louise like trash and gaslight her into becoming a cuckquean. Just like Jeremy can't blame Lena for making him a bad friend to Ian or poor boyfriend to Louise if he can't man up to reject her and do the right thing. Just like Ian can't blame Cindy for being sexy or Wade for being a bad boyfriend or Axel for making his moves on her if he ends up banging Cindy and betraying Wade. Well, they can but it just wouldn't be mature or convincing.
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Ivy and Lena aren't established models. They're amateur insta-models (Peoplegram models), they don't work for any agency and very few people know about them. Cindy was selected because her modeling is more sensual and artistic, plus her beauty is all natural (Ivy has fake tits, piercings and lots of tattoos and basically sells porn on her Stalkfap). Wildcats simply view Ivy as trashy based on her portfolio and I imagine Lena's entry was too late so they already made up her mind about Cindy when Axel presented them Lena's portfolio (IF he really did that and didn't simply lie to Lena to make her pose for him some more).
It was a mistake on Lara's part, Billy doesn't have a scene in the club, Ivy always snatches him away if Lena tries to dance with him.
However old you are, you will reach the age of retirement before this game is completed.
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I wasn't talking about games, just (interactive) stories, purely text-based. If you don't mind that, then I can recommend "Our Hero" by Arthur Saxon (Link:
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). You can't really change the narrative there (except for the very last choices that give 4 different endings), different options are there for the "Groundhog day" narrative where the day repeats itself until you make the correct decision to progress. The author posted a walkthrough but part of the charm is going in slow pace and playing at least one day after you progress the story to explore previous options and see the difference in interactions (result of the corruption). Warning, it contains "creepy crawly" fetish element towards the end of the story (meaning finding sexual pleasure from bugs crawling on the body) and one ending featuring bestiality for no reason (the endings to me were the weakest part about the story).