monk_56

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Lets see: A set of antagonists that aren't all that thrilling and bland. You have Seymour, who wants to control Lena and make her a sex slave. How is that interesting? You have Axel, who is also obsessed with Lena and can't take a fucking hint and is apparently involved every fucking where. Do we really need Axel to be at a gay bar next? Jeremy is just a BBC kink and has no depth to him at all whatsoeer. Stan is... Stan. And yet the revolving drama each chapter is: Will Lena be able to afford anything while slutting it up or not? Will Ian not get cucked and become the writer he wants to be? Will Stan die in a fiery crash and be replaced?

And sure, I'm bitter and jaded as fuck about Ivy-Ian, yet the writer in me screams 'Eva could do better'. Less kink/fetish crap, more character building. Make Jeremy a decent guy instead of being the Tyrone-lite and wanna be player. Add some depth and delve into characters and their relationships such as Jeremy and Louise and have Lena try to mediate that rathr than gloss over it and reward Jeremy over and over again without little to no punishment. Not to mention Lena more or less being able to fuck around while still being into Ian and have no punishment to speak of but if Ian does it's grounds for murder. Expand on Perry's or Emma's or Cherry's or whoevers passions and interests.

So for me, yeah the story is below average and isn't interesting and lack creative 'villains'.
ORS has objectively good writing compared to its contemporaries in the genre, and middling writing compared to writing in the gaming industry writ large. So it is doing well by that POV.

Where it loses me a lot is that it is ostensibly just a Soap Opera with a primary theme of corruption. The relationship dynamics of these very boring villains are only interesting if you like corruption narrative- if you don't they just buzz around like flies on shit in the game and there isn't really any interesting drama. "Young woman struggles to make money, but can easily do it if she becomes a whore" is about as basic as it gets in a corruption porn game- cookie cutter AF. Same thing with "weak-average dude struggles vs megachad NTR antagonists and the world to make himself better"- also hyper common. The intersection of those two common tropes I suppose are where the interest is supposed to be generated by this game...but I personally don't like Ian x Lena as a couple b/c I don't care for Lena. The personal growth / self worth elements to both sides of the narrative are very cursory and extremely slow burn compared to all the waffling about relationship minutiae and who cheated on who (yawn). From a kink POV- Lena's side is mostly corruption and shitty partners; and with the exception of if you want him to be a lil' cuck boy :rolleyes: , most of Ian's side is so painfully vanilla it might as well be an extract.

I get why some people are very obsessed with the game- when I first played I was quite optimistic it would end up being cool- but as I played more I realized unless you like a few very specific things it is pretty damned boring.
 

Oliver Wendell Homely

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I get why some people are very obsessed with the game- when I first played I was quite optimistic it would end up being cool- but as I played more I realized unless you like a few very specific things it is pretty damned boring.
Fortunately for you, there are literally hundreds of other games out there to check out and play.
 

ffive

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Just pointing out that's literally one of the defining behaviors associated with sociopathy. Growing to not care about other people's feelings is a natural progression from repeatedly making decisions that hurt said feelings.
You're right of course, am just reluctant to slap that label because imo it warrants much more prevalent behavior, and applying it so loosely devalues the term.

Either way, this is not to say that Jeremy's behavior is unreasonable, it makes complete sense for the type of character that he is, but it is still imoral.
I agree about the immoral aspect; i was simply arguing that because it makes complete sense for the kind of character he is, i don't think this was any sort of a lesson for him. For that matter, i don't think he actually means it when he says he knows that he handled things wrong. It's likely this is just empty concession to get Lena off his back and/or look better in her eyes.
 

Oliver Wendell Homely

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Just pointing out that's literally one of the defining behaviors associated with sociopathy. Growing to not care about other people's feelings is a natural progression from repeatedly making decisions that hurt said feelings.

But as to the rest, the point of breaking up with Louise (or having a discussion that would very likely lead to a break-up) is not for Jeremy to avoid drama, but to respect Louise's autonomy and right to decide what kind of relationship she wants to have. Louise feeling upset at a break-up is her prerogative as much as not wanting to be in an exclusive relationship is Jeremy's, deceiving her by omission and cheating is not.

Either way, this is not to say that Jeremy's behavior is unreasonable, it makes complete sense for the type of character that he is, but it is still imoral. I would just add that my read on him is that he is not imoral by malice (in the way the bigger villains like Seymour and Axel are), but just by immaturity. He wants to be a "player" but he is also not really ready to be a villain, he still seeks rationalizations that say he "isn't hurting anyone" or "it was a misunderstanding, not really his fault". Him being able to admit he was wrong in how he handled things with Louise is a little step, even if he is not ready to reform his ways.
I completely agree, but from my own and others experiences, sex seems to be where a lot of otherwise decent, moral people fail completely. Especially given that Lena essentially offers herself up to Jeremy, if you make those choices for her in the game, I think it would take a man of absolute iron will to say no. And Jeremy is not a man of absolute iron will. Even if he were genuinely committed to Louise, I think the temptation would be nigh impossible to resist.
 

fatpussy123

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She just shouldn't call it "weekly update" anymore, just "dev update". A weekly report is not necessary anyway, at least once a month for patrons who pay monthly.
Nah it's better for devs to be more consistent and transparent. Eva Kiss had a good thing going with the weekly updates for this chapter, only the last 4 weeks have been inconvenient, but in general it's good for keeping the public informed and for maintaining hype for the next release. She didn't even have to show any teasers just telling her audience where things are at. I'd rather her weekly updates than one of the hundreds of devs that just disappear for 3 months only to tell the audience that they are still 'working hard'
 

JohnnyKiss

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2 Weeks of no "weekly update" second time in a row; I'm starting to think my joke about "the second funeral" might be true. Anyway, I think we should accept that the game is on a downward spiral. The last 4 updates took over 5 months each. If I remember correctly it was:

  1. Chapter 9: 5 months
  2. Chapter 9 Remastered: 5 months
  3. Chapter 10: 7 months
  4. Chapter 11: 6 months and still counting
One of those updates being a "pointless" rework. So it took over 2 years just for 3 Chapters. For both this update and the last, we had the author communicating less and less with the supporters with the updates being less frequent. Not looking good. Best case scenario, this game is finished in 5 years. Worst case scenario, I see it abandoned in 2-3 Chapters.
 

Geralt From Rivia

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2 Weeks of no "weekly update" second time in a row; I'm starting to think my joke about "the second funeral" might be true. Anyway, I think we should accept that the game is on a downward spiral. The last 4 updates took over 5 months each. If I remember correctly it was:

  1. Chapter 9: 5 months
  2. Chapter 9 Remastered: 5 months
  3. Chapter 10: 7 months
  4. Chapter 11: 6 months and still counting
One of those updates being a "pointless" rework. So it took over 2 years just for 3 Chapters. For both this update and the last, we had the author communicating less and less with the supporters with the updates being less frequent. Not looking good. Best case scenario, this game is finished in 5 years. Worst case scenario, I see it abandoned in 2-3 Chapters.
Chapter 10 - 8 months, if a remember.
The Part 10 alpha came out in early December, so we've only been a little over 5 months.
 

JohnnyKiss

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Right at the end of November to be exact, with the final release coming at the end of December. If we factor in the holidays plus the prologue, I don't think its been that long working on Chapter 11, so the dev gets a pass
Chapter 10 came out the last day of November so that is when I started counting for the Chapter 11. I didn't take the epilogue into the account since I count that as Chapter 11. It's either Chapter 10 took 8 months and Chapter 11 is 5 months and counting or Chapter 10 took 7 months and Chapter 10 is 5 months and counting. You pick which one you prefer.
 
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fatpussy123

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Personally I don't care too much how long it takes between updates. Whether it takes 4 months or 6 is no skin off my back. As long as there are consistent updates on the Patreon. Other devs would take the time between updates to post useless wallpapers and special renders. I prefer updates that track progress, which is why I'm getting a bit concerned over the last few weeks. The updates haven't been weekly, right when it seemed like the update was entering it's final stages. Obviously I'm not a paying customer so I'm not bothered at all, but still right before the finish line Eva seems to not be consistent. I just hope twice the weekly updates were missed is a fluke and the game gets updated soon.
 

JohnnyKiss

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Personally I don't care too much how long it takes between updates. Whether it takes 4 months or 6 is no skin off my back. As long as there are consistent updates on the Patreon. Other devs would take the time between updates to post useless wallpapers and special renders. I prefer updates that track progress, which is why I'm getting a bit concerned over the last few weeks. The updates haven't been weekly, right when it seemed like the update was entering it's final stages. Obviously I'm not a paying customer so I'm not bothered at all, but still right before the finish line Eva seems to not be consistent. I just hope twice the weekly updates were missed is a fluke and the game gets updated soon.
It's not a fluke. The past 2 years the updates have consistently taken over 5 months to come out and the dev is slacking in the weekly updates. This is a new norm, so you should get used to it.
 
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