aykarin

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As I have mentioned before, the sex scenes in this update were very good in my opinion. But I perfectly undestand people who complain about the plot not moving forward very much. Let's list what events did we have that are meaningful storywise outside of specific routes:
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Overall, I think the above-listed plot points are not much for such a long awaited update. It's a bare minimum. Also, a very important storyline regarding the Wildcats saw absolutely no progress. Cindy doesn't tell Ian anything about it. Ivy also doesn't tell Lena anything even though it should have been a serious blow to her ambitions. This was my biggest disappointment when it comes to this update. And don't even get me started on how long we are hearing about Billy and his project without anything actually happening.

Also, at some parts the update feels quite empty. Most of Lena's days follow a routine: 1) Lena wakes up and thinks about what she will do today, 2) possible sex scene with Ian/Mike/Robert/Louise/etc. scheduled for that day, 3) end of the day. Even though Lena now has lots of money (unless she refused Seymour which I never do), we don't see many changes in her life. It would be nice if we were informed, for example, that she used some of that money to buy stuff for her room, or a new guitar, new phone, etc. It would make it much more realistic than just having Lena say "OMG, I have so much money now, I can relax in the morning, it's amazing".

My biggest hope for the beta and final versions of this update is not more sex scenes but more scenes relevant for the plot.
 
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SerHawkes

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As I have mentioned before, the sex scenes in this update were very good in my opinion. But I perfectly undestand people who complain about the plot not moving forward very much. Let's list what events did we have that are meaningful storywise outside of lspecific routes:
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Overall, I think the above-listed plot points are not much for such a long awaited update. It's a bare minimum. Also, a very important storyline regarding the Wildcats saw absolutely no progress. Cindy doesn't tell Ian anything about it. Ivy also doesn't tell Lena anything even though it should have been a serious blow to her ambitions. This was my biggest disappointment when it comes to this update.

Also, at some parts the update feels quite empty. Most of Lena's days follow a routine: 1) Lena wakes up and thinks about what she will do today, 2) possible sex scene with Ian/Mike/Robert/Louise/etc. scheduled for that day, 3) end of the day. Even though Lena now has lots of money (unless she refused Seymour which I never do), we don't see many changes in her life. It would be nice if we were informed, for example, that she used some of that money to buy stuff for her room, or a new guitar, new phone, etc. It would make it much more realistic than just having Lena say "OMG, I have so much money now, I can relax in the morning, it's amazing".

My biggest hope for the beta and final versions of this update is not more sex scenes but more scenes relevant for the plot.
Unlikely, given that at best the beta and final will likely only have a few things added to them, maybe a scene or two but not much.

At best, one could say that Chapter 11 was simply a filler episode with lewds and not much story. Which would be fitting. The disappointing thing is, other than my continue ranting of the lack of Ian-Ivy interaction and content, is that we've had the Tournament teased to us for what? 3-4 chapters now? And yet we STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT. Many of us have been eagerly waiting to face up against Jeremy and clean the guys clock. We want more depth and length to each chapter other than 3-4 days with each of Ian and Lena. How bout an actual WEEK or more? Sure, it's more writing and more work, but considering how Eva's been at Chapter 11 for 5 or so months now, and produced at the minimum a half an hour or so of story that doesn't even progress it even a little? To put it entirely bluntly... It's disappointing.
 

Xupuzulla

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Well, I guess there is an audience. There are tags for "Ugly Bastard" on different websites. I just personally have to PUKE when thinking about it.
Disgusting Seymour. Anyway, I just wish that that OLD guy would stop inviting me to dates after the upteenth time of telling him "No". Just die already!
I hope Emma sets his limousine on fire.
I feel like the appeal of Seymour is the corruption,about this old rich and powerful douche using his power and money to have Lena as a sex slave.
Im not a fan but i dont hate him either.
 

aykarin

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We want more depth and length to each chapter other than 3-4 days with each of Ian and Lena. How bout an actual WEEK or more? Sure, it's more writing and more work, but considering how Eva's been at Chapter 11 for 5 or so months now, and produced at the minimum a half an hour or so of story that doesn't even progress it even a little? To put it entirely bluntly... It's disappointing.
Yeah, I wouldn't even complain if the next update didn't have so many sex scenes. I just want the story to move forward at least a bit.
 

SerHawkes

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Yeah, I wouldn't even complain if the next update didn't have so many sex scenes. I just want the story to move forward at least a bit.
I simply want two things: Ian-Ivy to hook the fuck up and naturally, fight Jeremy in the Tourney and beat his ass. On Lenas part, the Wildcat/Billy's Agency project should be a key development but hasn't even got the light of day.
 
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Chery also appears to be wife material, but only if you ignore her past with Axel.
I can ignore her past but it's not her past, it is her present. As much as she said she moved on, a single word from Axel will be enough for her to give up everything. So she is FB material not a wife one.

Cindy in that scene can inquire about Lena and/or Alison. I'd speculate this is because these two are Ian's relationships she's potentially aware of, rather than anything Axel related.
I thought she was aware of Cherry also, because they were talking about Ian's conquests before. Also she was rather cool about Alison, but she demanded a break up with Lena. Though after reading other posts, what I think was off could be just a plot convenience because a proper breakup with Wade and dating Ian is an ending material. :unsure:
 

mommysboiii

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This is probably the VN I played the most and I can tell you one thing: not even Holly can be trusted after chapter 11...
The only girl faithful to Ian since the beginning is Alison but that requires you to prioritize her whenever the choices appear, otherwise she will be fucked by Jeremy/Billy.

Chery also appears to be wife material, but only if you ignore her past with Axel.
I mean you need to make spesific choices that this happens right?? if people activly corrupting holly with ivy and lena what do people espect is happening?? just dont corrupt her than and protect her

every girl can be loyal if you play a certain way so dont take away my corrupting holly with ian dating , or potential axel cindy with ian dating REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 

Nifferman

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How do I enter the NTR route with Minerva and Emma?
this isnt an ntr game bro thou there is a route or maybe a few route that has ntr or sharing but its not the primary theme of the game
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dude play as beta get beta result and play as an alpha/chad get chad results, jermy barely did it cuz of louise
 
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Nifferman

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As much i liked Stan at first, i hate the fact he is so pathetic and doesn't even try to improve it, he sucks big time. Also it's super weird an average dude like Ian to have so many good choices with top shelf girls and a model like Lena to have less and most of them mediocre options... I mean in real life a guy like Ian would have tops 2-3 mediocre or decent options and Lena would be full of unlimited choices of all tiers of men. Your feedback is valid imo.
you are like those material gals, who I see on youtube or tiktoks saying a man has to be making 2 mil an yr atleast to be with her LOL
 

Nifferman

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To me this was the biggest surprise this chapter, Lena is WILD !
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did the story change too much after the rewrite or is just a plothole or a lie maybe?? cuz havnt Alex and Lena been dating for 5 yrs prior the events of ors (so she has to be 18 at the time since she is 23 now) and if she hook up with the prof. during when she was 19 should that mean she cheated on Alex as well. could someone pls clear this for me .
 

Deathzazor

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Ok so I need to this, I need to rant about Stan. Idk if Eva will see this, but she needs to hear this criticism.

STAN IS TRASH! It’s not because he’s a disgusting loser fatty who creeps on Lena. It’s that he knows he’s a loser but can’t develop a relationship with Lena unless she fucking babies him. Thats the problem with his route. All options with Stan that address his creepiness or his terrible lifestyle reduce relationship points. The idea that Stan is self aware about his problems but can’t handle anyone but himself saying anything to him about how he shouldn’t be so self-pitying is fucking asinine. His character right now serves as fetish fulfillment, because all of Lena’s ideas about him are literally just about manipulating him (sexually). You can’t advance their relationship without it being insincere from Lena. Lena understands this guy is a total loser so she literally cannot become his girlfriend no matter what options you choose, but she still is ok with making out with him.

So Stan is supposed to be an alternative to Ian? So Lena can have a) her shitty ex-boyfriend b) a guy cheating on his girl c) a limp noodle with no personality (Robert) or d) a complete fucking hikikomori shut-in loser. I guess she has Seymour too but their relationship is unbalanced cause of the power dynamic. At least in GGGB Ashley could choose between three semi-interesting guys. Lena has Ian and everyone else is a loser or dickwad. If Stan is supposed to be the second true vanilla option, something has got to change about his route. He a) cannot only be open to changing himself in chapter fucking 11. This is much too late and basically means you have to be hyper committed to Stan if you want a route with him. If he’s the secondary straight option then he should already be romanceable by the halfway mark of the game, it only takes until chapter 8 for Ian to romance Cindy/Holly. b) has to be at least 20% less of a loser (he either has to be slightly more confident, have some kind of social life or less of a slob/more attractive). If you don’t want the core of his character to change, that’s fine, but he has to offer something in a relationship with Lena. Maybe he plays D&D with a group of nerd friends and invites Lena to join. His role in her life can not simply be the cameraman. c) Lena should be allowed to be honest with Stan without Stan getting mad. Stan’s room is a mess, he’s anti-social, he spies on his crush during sex, he’s a slob and he’s fat, he doesn’t have social skills or awareness, he’s hostile to other men, and he has no friends. Worst of all he’s content. Lena being honest with him should bring them closer, not push them apart. Stan cannot go from being this type of person, never receive a wake up call, and be a viable romance option in like 2 or 3 chapters. It simply doesn’t work. Unless Eva wants to say that if you’re a fat recluse just wait for a slutty girl to move in with you and eventually she’ll fall in love with you despite you doing nothing to improve. Like fucking Perry is a loser but by now he’s already started to change. He’s working a job, dating girls and getting outside of his comfort zone. That’s fucking rad.

Ian got options bruh. All the girls he can date are at least 9s. He got a chick who straight wants his babies, a chick sick of her boring life so she’s working at a career change, a chick who makes bomb art, a chick who be doing activism and shit, a milf cheating on her husband with him, and an author extraordinaire chick. Like the women in this game are varied and have at least a little to offer.

I hope Eva doesn’t have to spend time doing yet another remaster where she goes and re-writes Stan, but she will if she doesn’t start fixing him fast. Otherwise Stan cannot be the second vanilla romance option. You don’t even need to create some new dude, introduce Lena to Wen or Yuri. Heck if she wants to date a loser she can date Perry. But can we please improve Lena’s straight options? Like it baffles me that Eva was aware of this issue a year and a half ago and her solution was to make Stan a bigger loser. Insanity.
As someone who ran the game like a sitcom, I gotta agree with this sentiment. I mainly keep two routes at this point for Ian (w/ Lena and Holly) and honestly, when Ian is with Holly, I could hardly pair Lena with anyone else... without feeling uncomfortable. I even tried Louise in my first run for Lena and the relationship was just full of red flags. I personally feel like only Lena - Ivy could vaguely makes sense for a relationship, given their history and the fact it reminded me a bit of Ash-Jess from GGGB. But until the end arrives, I won't know how it will turn out though...
 

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I thought she was aware of Cherry also, because they were talking about Ian's conquests before. Also she was rather cool about Alison, but she demanded a break up with Lena. Though after reading other posts, what I think was off could be just a plot convenience because a proper breakup with Wade and dating Ian is an ending material. :unsure:
Cindy's reaction depends on what sort of relationship she has with Ian -- she only makes a request if she and Ian have a deeper relationship. If it's just an affair, then she's equally chill about Ian hooking up with Lena:
Python:
        else:
            i "Well, yeah... But I already told you it's nothing serious."
            if ian_cindy_love:
                c "Yet you say you're serious about me..."
                i "And I am."
                c "Then you should stop seeing her, don't you think?"
                call friend_xp ('cindy',-1) from _call_friend_xp_970
                i "You're right about that. I'll talk to her..."
                c "Yeah, you should."
            else:
                c "I see. Same as this, then..."
Overall, i think Cindy views Lena as much more dangerous "competition" than Alison, hence a more determined reaction -- if she's invested in her relationship with Ian, which makes it unlikely this is some sort of Axel's doing.
 
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