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Chapter 11 was probably the least popular of the past updates of ORS, atleast on this thread, mainly because of the minimal story progression. That being said something I think the game made a dramatic quality jump in terms of the drawings of faces during sex scenes.
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Yeah, Louise is the Robert of females :cautious::Kappa:
Louise may be annoying but Robert is someone I want to beat the shit out of. I couldn't come thur is route Lena is full Lesbian but freaking Jeremy in two. I swear she hooked on D mighty hard; I think she would care if Louise catch them.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Alice is Mike's GF and later Mike become a serious Love interest for Lena.
 

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After thinking about some it. Ian x Cindy is somewhat shit storm of a route for these reason alone.

1. You're screwing over your old friend who trusts you.

2.You're going the mostly lose Emma, Perry, Lena, Holly as friends because they would disgusted and disappointed of Ian.
Alison I think she's going to be mixed on it but will mad in a sense that Choose a taken girl over her when she's completely single. I say mixed because she was in unhappy relationship with someone understand moving on someone else but won't agree with the cheating.

3. He's no body than Axel and Gillian. Ian freaked on his friend's girl and lied about it constantly; honestly Ian is doing the same thing that Gillian boyfriend did and Cindy is Gillian and Wade is Ian in the situation.

Ian is going to make Wade felt the same way he did when Gillian cheated and left him.

I have feeling one of the friends is going to call him out on it and say the same thing. I bet you it's going to be Perry, Wade or Emma who says it. I will be shocked Gillian found outs about it and somewhat Judge Ian for being hypocrite.

I just know storyline won't end if he's also fooling around with other girl; it's scarier if you're freaking Alison, Cindy, and Emma they'll be angry with him even more.
 

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I have feeling one of the friends is going to call him out on it and say the same thing. I bet you it's going to be Perry, Wade or Emma who says it. I will be shocked Gillian found outs about it and somewhat Judge Ian for being hypocrite.
If Perry's counter is high(how well Ian can lie about Cindy to Perry) than Perry is unlikely. BUT MOST LIKELY one would be IVY(using Ian to sabotage Cindy for the position in Wildcats) or Jeremy if his relationship Ian is low and you called him a snake or some other counter regarding that. Also Axel is possibility too but if he found out about IanxCindy than he will surely use it to block Ian from Lena.

So yes, It is a Galveston hurricane which Ian is forwarding towards.:oops:
 

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After thinking about some it. Ian x Cindy is somewhat shit storm of a route for these reason alone.

1. You're screwing over your old friend who trusts you.

2.You're going the mostly lose Emma, Perry, Lena, Holly as friends because they would disgusted and disappointed of Ian.
Alison I think she's going to be mixed on it but will mad in a sense that Choose a taken girl over her when she's completely single. I say mixed because she was in unhappy relationship with someone understand moving on someone else but won't agree with the cheating.

3. He's no body than Axel and Gillian. Ian freaked on his friend's girl and lied about it constantly; honestly Ian is doing the same thing that Gillian boyfriend did and Cindy is Gillian and Wade is Ian in the situation.

Ian is going to make Wade felt the same way he did when Gillian cheated and left him.

I have feeling one of the friends is going to call him out on it and say the same thing. I bet you it's going to be Perry, Wade or Emma who says it. I will be shocked Gillian found outs about it and somewhat Judge Ian for being hypocrite.

I just know storyline won't end if he's also fooling around with other girl; it's scarier if you're freaking Alison, Cindy, and Emma they'll be angry with him even more.
All of these issues will be doubled if Ian is cheating on Lena with Cindy :whistle:
 
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If you subscribe to the theory that Ian doesn’t know who Gillian’s boyfriend is, could the Boyfriend be Jeremy?
Ian obviously doesn't know but it CAN'T be Jeremy. Gillian(chameleon) mentions that her boyfriend moved about 3 months ago to Belaurt Jeremy was way before with Ian.
 
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I had the most eerie feeling that time. That smile Seymour gave clearly indicated that He is going to use Ian for some "beneficial deal" like he did with Lena. Bringing Lena will be outrageous for Ian if Seymour asks right away or before announcing the final of Book contest. Ian clearly needed Plan B if book contest fails, there is Victor too also he can go tournament route too so, Hope is not lost for Ian:sneaky:
One of the interesting things I noticed is that, if Ian is going the "softer" route with Minerva, she really does open up to him emotionally, admits she likes having him around, talks about how lonely she is and how much her husband is basically checked out entirely from their marriage and family. And Minerva is also on the book contest committee. And Minerva isn't part of Seymour's inner circle or anything, but clearly is a trusted employee of his. So I wonder if an Ian who rejects whatever Seymour's offer is, can end up being helped in the contest or in some other way by Minerva. That would certainly be a reversal of Minerva's personality so far, but if you're on the "softer" sex route...?
 

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Incidentally, those of you who say Louise serves no purpose but be Lena's and Ian's fucktoy, you just aren't thinking far enough.

The real purpose of Louise is giving Lena ability to mention this threesome to Ivy, so Ivy goes all "Wait, you had a threesome with that pathetic bitch? Now let me show you what a proper threesome is like." :sneaky:
 

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I'd agree with camube that the voluntary working with Seymour is quite "believable" -- if Lena forms a positive first impression of him (which is easy enough, she kind of expresses it by default) i can vey well see her getting swept up by Seymour's charisma and rhetoric, combined with the "high class" treatment she receives (particularly if it's high poshLena who is more responsive to displays of wealth etc).

The player might roll their eyes at Nietzche being touted as the top dog of philosophy, but Lena, while potentially intelligent, is still a fairly regular person, one who can easily buy into this mindset (similar how many people come to believe Machiavelli was a political genius because he's such edgelord about it) and the idea she's interacting with top-class intellectual, and strive to match/impress him rather than laugh straight in his face.
I strongly disagree. Lena's supposedly read enough philosophy that she's familiar with Nietszche's three metamorphoses even before Seymore can tell her of the Child. So she, even more than most, should recognize what a ginormous red flag it is when Seymore opines that he prefers to think of "the Child" as "The Master." It not only completely invalidates the whole point of the original metaphor (rather than being reborn into a whole new world, he explicitly chains the supposed metamorph to the old world's hierarchy) but it makes it abundantly clear that he considers himself utterly beyond any sense of morality or rules.

Even beyond that the narration of that whole dinner is littered with Lena being unnerved by Seyemore's various turns of phrase or general predator vibe, to say nothing of his establishing character moment harassing the local homeless man. Or the tense music. The scene was clearly meant to drive home that Seymore is going to be the villain of the game, not paper over his faults in a way that might plausibly leave Lena unaware how Faustian Seymore's offer is. I agree Lena's supposed to be desperate enough to consider his offer even so, but that's just to fuel the corruption/exploitation kinks Seymore is supposed to embody.

If she'd actually had a decent working relationship with Seymore before the interview/dinner I might be willing to accept Lena turning a blind eye to some of those red flags. But she didn't, she'd barely spent 10 minutes with him. So I don't buy the argument she'd be surprised Seymore would be willing to blackmail her. If you want to play Lena as desperate enough to take the chance anyway (or just plain stupid enough not to see the obvious) that's fine, but I reject the idea that this was some masterclass in subtly, allowing the victim to hide in plain sight. It was - by design - the opposite.
 

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I strongly disagree. Lena's supposedly read enough philosophy that she's familiar with Nietszche's three metamorphoses even before Seymore can tell her of the Child.
Keep on mind this knowledge is cursory, at best:
Python:
        mr "Do you know about Nietzsche's Three Metamorphoses?"
        l "I recall learning about it in high school..."
I suspect Lena is familiar with it in the same way people are "familiar" with Machiavelli i mentioned earlier. She's taught some basics in high school and retained some fraction of that knowledge since then, but it's nowhere near determining Seymour is full of shit. Lena's approach to this subject in Ch.11 (and the options she can take) is driven entirely by her attitude towards Seymour, instead of her intelligence score.

Even beyond that the narration of that whole dinner is littered with Lena being unnerved by Seyemore's various turns of phrase or general predator vibe, to say nothing of his establishing character moment harassing the local homeless man.
This hinges entirely on Lena's disposition towards Seymour, specifically her relationship score with him she's built so far. Lena with positive attitude towards Seymour isn't unnerved but impressed by his behavior. Her reaction to the homeless dude event also depends on how Lena has reacted to him earlier herself. E.g.:
Python:
    if help_bum == 2:
        l "He wasn't bothering me..."
    elif help_bum == 1:
        "Thankfully Mr. Ward knew how to put an end to this awkward situation."
    else:
        "I let out a sigh of relief. My savior!"
 
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Chapter 11 was probably the least popular of the past updates of ORS, atleast on this thread, mainly because of the minimal story progression. That being said something I think the game made a dramatic quality jump in terms of the drawings of faces during sex scenes.
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Good that Eva's finally found some more artistic help she's comfortable with. From a previous post, it sounds like she's still drawing all the faces, so with line-drawing help, she now has more time to focus on them.
 

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I strongly disagree. Lena's supposedly read enough philosophy that she's familiar with Nietszche's three metamorphoses even before Seymore can tell her of the Child. So she, even more than most, should recognize what a ginormous red flag it is when Seymore opines that he prefers to think of "the Child" as "The Master." It not only completely invalidates the whole point of the original metaphor (rather than being reborn into a whole new world, he explicitly chains the supposed metamorph to the old world's hierarchy) but it makes it abundantly clear that he considers himself utterly beyond any sense of morality or rules.

Even beyond that the narration of that whole dinner is littered with Lena being unnerved by Seyemore's various turns of phrase or general predator vibe, to say nothing of his establishing character moment harassing the local homeless man. Or the tense music. The scene was clearly meant to drive home that Seymore is going to be the villain of the game, not paper over his faults in a way that might plausibly leave Lena unaware how Faustian Seymore's offer is. I agree Lena's supposed to be desperate enough to consider his offer even so, but that's just to fuel the corruption/exploitation kinks Seymore is supposed to embody.

If she'd actually had a decent working relationship with Seymore before the interview/dinner I might be willing to accept Lena turning a blind eye to some of those red flags. But she didn't, she'd barely spent 10 minutes with him. So I don't buy the argument she'd be surprised Seymore would be willing to blackmail her. If you want to play Lena as desperate enough to take the chance anyway (or just plain stupid enough not to see the obvious) that's fine, but I reject the idea that this was some masterclass in subtly, allowing the victim to hide in plain sight. It was - by design - the opposite.
Outside player's control, very early on Lena already expresses hesitation towards Seymour's initial advance.
My first ORS blind playthrough as a player is to reject Seymour's dinner audition in the first place.
That's me "playing as myself" as a "controller".

Lena as a character though, her intelligence is determined by how we play her. She could be smart enough or not smart enough to be familiar with The Child.
She could also be a person who sends money to her parents or not.
She could be a person that likes Shine more or like Fortress more.

In a world where Lena is a dutiful daughter sending money to her parents and running out of options, Seymour is cordial if Lena's attitude towards him is neutral. He doesn't outwardly blackmail Lena.

I didn't mean Seymour is hiding in plain sight or even that Seymour is subtle. It's not that.

I was talking about how that story path allows the player to see a struggling person with relatively little option decidedly/willingly make a deal with someone that she already feels isn't a virtuous person.

A neutral-attitude-towards-Seymour Lena isn't duped or enchanted by Seymour.
She has little option early chapters and Seymour's offer is a job offer.
The variant of Lena that is dutifully sending money to her parents are responsible for the wellbeing of not only her own life but also that of her parents.

That Lena has less optionality to pick and choose what jobs to do early on.
That particular story path then offers Lena an exit at the end of Ch 11.
Ch 11 is also a point where that Lena has more option than early chapter Lena.
That Lena now has more optionality to draw the line in the sand and reject Seymour.
For my playthrough, there's the music thing with Emma, and Perry being Ian's friend.

In life it's hard for some people to say "no" due to their circumstances.
And the nuance of how Eva write that possible situation to the point that it's believable for her to accept Seymour's initial job offer is why I said it's good writing.
 
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