VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[JoeSte91]

It's hardly the case. Holly can currently have a crush on an absolute piece of shit of a guy, to the point she invites him on a trip with him, lets him fuck her three ways to Sunday, then gets dumped the next morning without even as much as a thank you. It'd be a tall order to paint that as a good decision.

Holly can also be in exclusive relationship with a pretty great guy, and still lust after her friend to the point of getting romantic with her and confusing the hell out of herself over what it is that she really wants. Again, hardly good move making.

Well, I was talking about the route where Ian is good to her, and Lena is manipulative. What I'm trying to say is that in that path, it doesn't seem like Lena/the player is able to have any influence over her. That's why I included the latter line in the paragraph

Having a boyfriend shouldn't make her suddenly impervious to manipulation and corruption.

-Ian can be a dick to her, retroactively making her crush and decision to sleep with him a bad decision.
-Ian and Lena can be romantic to her, leading to the sharing path.
-Ian can also be solely romantic to her.
-Lena can be friendly to her without being romantic.

However, on a path of Ian being good to her, and Lena being slutty/manipulative, Holly seems to default to the Ian solo romantic path. If you follow that story with those decision factors, I think she ends up looking kind of faultless and it's a boring route to play, since Ivy and Lena's influence seems restricted, when having a insecure girl take bad advice from friends isn't a huge leap for the story to realistically take.

I get that it'd be more work but it seems like a natural fit for the game, given the dual perspectives, and factoring in the different player choices. It's just something I would have liked to see included in the story progression, but like I said, I accept that it's not happening.

 

[Doppelgang]

It could be looked at one of two ways either the choices a player makes reverberates both forward and backward in time for the character or all choice is an illusion and a particular past means that the character will always take a particular path forward. I'm pretty sure a deep philosophical discussion on the nature of free will is the point of the game so Eva should be happy.

This sounds like something either Ian will hallucinate about when doing drugs, or Seymour will have a pompous quasi-intellectual monologue about while he's trying to get Lena to orgasm using his collection of sex toys

 

[SerHawkes]

It's hardly the case. Holly can currently have a crush on an absolute piece of shit of a guy, to the point she invites him on a trip with her, lets him fuck her three ways to Sunday, then gets dumped the next morning without even as much as a thank you. It'd be a tall order to paint that as a good decision.

Holly can also be in exclusive relationship with a pretty great guy, and still lust after her friend to the point of getting romantic with her and confusing the hell out of herself over what it is that she really wants. Again, hardly good move making.

Nah nah nah... Holly is the mastermind in all this.

Holly kinda gets the vibe that Lena is into Ian right? And Ian is into both Holly herself and Lena. SO... She plays the innocent type, takes lessons from both Ivy and Lena with her going to pole dancing to shape herself up and her confidence, then makes the power move of making kissy faces with Lena while she is in a relationship with Ian, setting up Lena and Ian talking about Holly and ultimately the talk of talks, the trinity of trinities.

 

[Deleted member 6148663]

I need a Mike harem route.

 

[Deleted member 6148663]

SerHawkes Wanna fight about it?

 

[SerHawkes]

SerHawkes Wanna fight about it?

Considering how Mike doesn't add anything to the story other than a sex toy for Lena to possibly ride and force the guy to cheat on his girl, who will likely end up cutting off his dick and leaving him to die, resulting in Lena going into witness protection and leaving town to head into the States or the UK...

Pretty much a landslide if ya ask me.

 

[ffive]

However, on a path of Ian being good to her, and Lena being slutty/manipulative, Holly seems to default to the Ian solo romantic path. If you follow that story with those decision factors, I think she ends up looking kind of faultless and it's a boring route to play, since Ivy and Lena's influence seems restricted, when having a insecure girl take bad advice from friends isn't a huge leap for the story to realistically take.

Hmm ok i kind of get the complaint, but then on the other hand one could argue that Holly simply falling under influence of Lena/Ivy even if she's in relationship with Ian ignores the agency Ian (as the other MC) has in this setup. That she doesn't can be boring for some players, but on the other hand it can be source of satisfaction for another group of players, that they can actually have a vanilla relationship with a girl that doesn't end up with her getting "turned into a slut" and cheating on their male MC, despite her friends trying to mess things up.

You can say this is a boring route, but then having everything to follow the same trajectory can be viewed just as boring, too, and an exception from it shakes things up. Depending who you ask.

 

[Deleted member 6148663]

Considering how Mike doesn't add anything to the story other than a sex toy for Lena to possibly ride and force the guy to cheat on his girl, who will likely end up cutting off his dick and leaving him to die, resulting in Lena going into witness protection and leaving town to head into the States or the UK...

Pretty much a landslide if ya ask me.

He’s a branch in the story. It’s a life sim and fuck buddies exist irl. Also, it’s a sex game, and sexual flavours to the story is kind of the main point of playing this.

 

[Deleted member 6148663]

Also, by “Mike harem route” I meant his girlfriend being included lol. Not excluded in all of this.

 

[SerHawkes]

Here is the question that needs answering:

When doe Ian join OFs and collabs with Lena, Ivy, and other gals? Bro would rack in so much dough.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Here is the question that needs answering:

When doe Ian join OFs and collabs with Lena, Ivy, and other gals? Bro would rack in so much dough.

Never, I don't think internet can handle the chadness of my Ian.

 

[SerHawkes]

Never, I don't think internet cannot handle the chadness of my Ian.

Possibly. Then again, Lena might get a little jealous, even if they agreed to an open relationship or are simply fuck buddies.

 

[Kingpin420]

Chapter 11 Android version please

 

[BloodyMares]

Go outside, throw a rock into a crowd, and you'll probably find any number of people who's insecurities are stronger than their love for their partner. You'll probably also hit any number of people who have also reasoned themselves into doing the dumbest things possible. A lot of relationships end from self-sabotage, whether intentional or unintentional, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time that someone inexperienced and insecure fell into the wrong crowd, took the wrong advice and ended up making a mistake.

Because sure, it could push her towards the sharing route, but that's not the only reaction that an insecure person could possibly have. And to be clear, I didn't suggest that this was something she should come up with on her own, but something that should be influenced by corrupting Holly through a slutty Lena and Ivy. Like I said above, wrong crowd, bad advice. No matter how many books she's read, she doesn't have the real life experience to back it up and Ivy and Lena clearly have a lot of experience. It's not hard to fall into the mind trap of thinking they might know more about this than she does, even if they're corrupting her for their own enjoyment, rather than thinking of her or Ian's well-being.

If Holly is going to be this mary sue character who can do no wrong, who always makes good decisions, even if she's surrounded herself with people making bad decisions and trying to influence her, that's boring and not realistic either. Having a boyfriend shouldn't make her suddenly impervious to manipulation and corruption.

What kind of valuable relationship experience do Ivy and Lena have that Holly doesn't? Ivy despises relationships outright and she can't give a rat's ass about mentoring Holly how to be a better girlfriend, only a better sexual partner (and only by being a slut). And Lena, if she's not dating Ian, is in the same boat and her boyfriend cheated on her so she doesn't know how to build a successful relationship either. Their advice regarding relationships means nothing to Holly. They can only help her feel confident and attractive if that's what Holly needs above anything. But for now that's not Holly's priority if she's with Ian. She simply wants Ian to love her and consider her as a serious romantic partner. She doesn't even have problems satisfying him in bed anymore.

I'm not saying that Holly is impervious to corruption. But her satisfaction with her current situation is what determines her resistance or vulnerability to it. That's how all people's minds work. We can't be bothered to do something without incentive (or strong intrinsic motivation). She might want to change if Ian acts cold towards her or doesn't reciprocate her feelings fully (which includes him fucking other chicks) or if Holly simply falls in love with Lena. That doesn't make Holly Mary Sue, it simply means that she prioritises some things over others. She's a people pleaser. Even her corruption is explained by her desire to impress Lena or Ivy. Lena and Ivy can corrupt Holly if Ian rejected her advances, making her feel inadequate. If he shuts her off while they're together, she might start feeling like this again and be more open to Lena's or Ivy's influence.

Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances. This way she already is open to having multiple sex partners and can prioritize Ivy's advice above anything else, even if she becomes Ian's girlfriend in the future. Same outcome, no?

But I've already made my peace with the fact that it was a glitch and it's not a path that Eva seems to want to explore. It's disappointing because it's an interesting way to add corruption and have the decisions of the player on both Ian and Lena's paths come together to have an effect, but it is what it is, and there's plenty of other paths in the game that I'll enjoy with or without it.

You're saying about the decisions as BOTH Ian and Lena. If so, why should Lena's agency be prioritized over Ian's exactly? Why should she have the power to constantly undo or sabotage Ian's decisions, but not vice versa? They're both main characters and should have equal agency. If you want to NTR Ian, don't make him act like the best boyfriend on the planet. Holly is very easy to impress and keep satisfied.

And just because she can't cheat while in a happy relationship with Ian doesn't mean she won't be corrupted. She can already pose for nude photo shoots for Lena, maybe she can be persuaded to start a Stalkfap to combat her shyness, and Ian, if he's a voyeur, could support this idea and encourage Holly to work on her confidence even if it ends up biting him in the ass (making Holly too excited and eager to try new things). I say just be more patient and wait for the story to be developed further so that we could have more opportunities to not only sabotage the current relationships but also make them more exciting.

 

[vgbestly]

Chapter 11 Android version please

My man, wait for the "final" chapter 11 version. I bet you when you get this beta version, you'll be screaming for a final the second it gets release. Just wait. I too want to jerk off mobile-ly but only when its finish. You don't wanna download/install/uninstall/repeat EVERY apk for every little version.

 

[mommysboiii]

Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances. This way she already is open to having multiple sex partners and can prioritize Ivy's advice above anything else, even if she becomes Ian's girlfriend in the future. Same outcome, no?

and how dose it look like is their already a path for this?? do I have to sleep with holly at the hotel and say its only a one time thing because he is still in love with his ex gillian?? and than holly still sees ian?? or how do I get on this path that ian falls in love with holly if its already to late and ivy got too much under her skin and is on her way to be gillian to in her mind this would be what ian want right?? holly tries exactly to be like ian ex would fit her personalitie

And just because she can't cheat while in a happy relationship with Ian doesn't mean she won't be corrupted. She can already pose for nude photo shoots for Lena, maybe she can be persuaded to start a Stalkfap to combat her shyness, and Ian, if he's a voyeur, could support this idea and encourage Holly to work on her confidence even if it ends up biting him in the ass (making Holly too excited and eager to try new things). I say just be more patient and wait for the story to be developed further so that we could have more opportunities to not only sabotage the current relationships but also make them more exciting.

yeah but the thing that scares me is that holly goes like lena and ivy does nude shots ,stalkfap and becomes more (corrupt),deepthroat is a sexgod like she sleeped with 50 guys without having any experince at all but than still is the super marry sue girlfriend which would also make zero sens

and I am really interested to see future interactions on the corruption path with holly ,lena(slutty/mean) ivy I see zero problems if they go on partys ,drugs billy .....

but if lena and ivy are slutty/mean and lena takes holly with them but she is marry sue how will this work in the future because holly and lena path seem always connected which eachother.

do they cut holly off at some point in the future if holly is too (good)

 

[BloodyMares]

and I am really interested to see future interactions on the corruption path with holly ,lena(slutty/mean) ivy I see zero problems if they go on partys ,drugs billy ..... do they cut holly off at some point in the future if holly is too (good)

Why would they cut Holly off just because she doesn't want to participate in their promiscuous activities? There are close female friends where some might be in a relationship and loyal, some might do Onlyfans, some might be sleeping around with multiple guys and they can all respect each other's life choices. It doesn't mean they don't have other common interests suddenly and can't be friends. And Holly is never judgmental like Louise, she lets Lena and Ivy do whatever they want, even if she herself doesn't necessarily want to follow their example.

You seem to have a weird idea about how friendships work. It's never just about their views on sex. Lena, regardless of her slut status, likes Holly's company and enjoys having her around when she writes a song. Or when they talk about Holly's books or mutual hobbies. Or Lena's personal struggles with family, etc. Even Ivy is not focused on ONLY sex, she also has modeling aspirations and generally likes money, is a training coach (can give Holly advice on diet and help her exercise better). People are more complex than you think. Even Bad Jess (the sluttiest of them all) has a heart of gold and artistic sensibilities and doesn't mind some friendly interactions with Ian.

 

[Deleted member 6148663]

Like I told mommysboi, the sure way to corrupt Holly while she's dating Ian is to corrupt her first, and THEN make Ian reciprocate her advances.

Not necessarily? People can get corrupted after entering a relationship with people who love them very much, and they love very much. You don’t need to be corrupted beforehand

Youre right about the incentives though. But incentives can be emotional. It could be something as simple as Holly getting turned on from a porno or video she watched of Ivy or Lena fucking. It could be curiosity that gets triggered due to a lack of experience.

By your logic, you should expect practically every conservative virgin woman to be loyal for the rest of their life.

That’s simply not how things are. Contrary to popular belief, I do think it’s very much possible for even a “pure virgin” to cheat. The likelihood isn’t 0%.

 

[fatpussy123]

Not necessarily? People can get corrupted after entering a relationship with people who love them very much, and they love very much. You don’t need to be corrupted beforehand

Youre right about the incentives though. But incentives can be emotional. It could be something as simple as Holly getting turned on from a porno or video she watched of Ivy or Lena fucking. It could be curiosity that gets triggered due to a lack of experience.

By your logic, you should expect practically every conservative virgin woman to be loyal for the rest of their life.

That’s simply not how things are. Contrary to popular belief, I do think it’s very much possible for even a “pure virgin” to cheat. The likelihood isn’t 0%.

It's just about what's practical to make for the game. Yes in real life people can cheat after previously being faithful, even someone like Holly. But for the character of Holly, I imagine most don't want her to cheat on Ian in their playthroughs and making a subdivision of her relationship where she cheats, but it doesn't feel out of nowhere and players who don't want that kind of content don't see it is very complicated. Why would Eva waste time on writing this complex scenario, where most players don't want to see it and most would see the route as character assassination. The much simpler solution would be for the relationship to be rocky already because it started late while Holly was already corrupted. This way most players who don't want to see that stuff wouldn't because they'd be on the early Holly relationship path and writing and already corrupted Holly cheating would be easier. All that would be needed then is to further strain the relationship, rather than have a story that does a complete 180

 

[BloodyMares]

Not necessarily? People can get corrupted after entering a relationship with people who love them very much, and they love very much. You don’t need to be corrupted beforehand

Youre right about the incentives though. But incentives can be emotional. It could be something as simple as Holly getting turned on from a porno or video she watched of Ivy or Lena fucking. It could be curiosity that gets triggered due to a lack of experience.

By your logic, you should expect practically every conservative virgin woman to be loyal for the rest of their life.

That’s simply not how things are. Contrary to popular belief, I do think it’s very much possible for even a “pure virgin” to cheat. The likelihood isn’t 0%.

Of course, nothing is confirmed and things can develop unpredictably (Lena making Holly join her and Ivy in the showers was one such surprise). The key word is "sure way", not the "only way". The sure way because it's already in the cards and is hinted at: Holly gets corrupted first, and then if Ian is single and she didn't fall in love with Lena, she openly flirts with Ian, promising the things to come if he doesn't reject her in the future chapters.

Another confirmed development is Holly getting cold feet if Ian brushed her off and she developed feelings for Lena. That branch could lead to the trinity, but it can also lead to Lena stealing Holly away from Ian if he doesn't prevent that or it can just be a casual sexual relationship where Holly is free to play around with other guys / girls as well as Ian and Lena. To me that reads as corruption potential, but maybe not to others since they're not a couple in this branch, only friends with benefits.

Anything else is speculation at this point and wishful thinking. Ian acting cold with Holly might have consequences and open an opportunity for Lena to convince Holly to cheat, but for now it's unlikely because she did tell Ian that she'll wait until he's ready to open up. That COULD be a set up for drama where Lena-Ivy use that opportunity to prey on Holly's insecurity and lead her astray, but we shouldn't expect it from the game, else we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.

But expecting that Ian will get cucked in a good relationship with Holly just because Lena might try to sabotage their relationship is just unreasonable because it will destroy Ian's own agency and will make him a secondary character to Lena. That's just not a good look for a dual-protagonist game. Now, if it was GGGB 2 with occasionally playable Ian then anything would be possible because Lena's agency would take priority with a guaranteed outcome. IIRC Eva wanted to include the sections where the player could play as Eric while in Somalia but couldn't find a way to implement it into the game. But in ORS Ian and Lena have equal agency because they're both main playable characters. If they don't have equal agency, then something is wrong.

And as fatpussy mentioned, there is a practical factor to consider which is ever-increasing amount of plot-points which are harder to follow. Eva wants to make things easier for herself, not harder. Holly already has more branches than any other character, with Alison coming close second. So I would expect several big paths with huge differences but not many "intermediate" paths. For example, the late Holly path I imagine wouldn't be as developed as the currently available Holly path, if late Louise or late Ian-Lena are anything to go by.