So to sum this conversation up. ORS is really just the Dark Knight. Ian and Lena are fighting for the soul of ORS, Holly, much like Batman and Joker were fighting for the soul of Gotham City, Harvey Dent.
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So, Lena is going to wind up in prison and Ian will ultimately bugger off with
Well in my playthrough the opposite is likely to happen, and Harvey Dent will also be buggering off with Catwoman.
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I mean you can shape lena and ofc if lena focus on her music/artist site and be a good girl I see no problem with good holly and lena interactions at all that they talk about ian relatioships,books...............
but if lena goes down the slutty/mean route ivy never like stuck up poeple so standart holly should seem pretty boring to her thats just ivys personality I mean sure ivy like holly if she can watch her (grow) and teach her things and corrupt her but for ivy to hang around standart holly I am sorry but that makes zero sens for me
and my guess is that lena can go down the slutty/mean path kick dogs,steal money .... and in the future my guess would be work for billy with ivy ,do more drugs , work in the club with ivy and many more things....I really see no reason how this typ of lena and ivy would love to have philosophical discussions with holly or talk about books or her boring relationship with ian were ivy would fall asleep I just dont see it
this is still one of the main reason why i think making holly always hang out with slutty lena and ivy and make her immune in a realationship to corruption is a mistake and will be weird if in the future on SOME paths if holly is always connected with lena which seems like it AT THE MOMENT I only think that corrupted holly would make sens to hang around slutty lena and ivy especially if they do more things in the future
and I think lena should choose between artist or corruption(stalkfap,strip at bar...) same with ian maa fighter or book author because it will be weird for lena/ian to have some split personalitie monologbecause it seems like both path will go in opposite direction so I dont understand why lena and ian dont have to choose between their career and do both??
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Since when is liking sex or doing drugs and liking philosophical discussions or fantasy books mutually exclusive? How many people do you know who are so shallow they are reduced to single trait or interest, like some cardboard cutout?
If you really can't imagine people being more rounded than that then... i'm sorry i guess. Try to maybe expand your horizons a little, and i mean it as a honest advice. You're doing yourself a disservice if this is how you approach relationships.
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the difference is we are talking about a VIDEOGAME and a dev that has limited time so shallow down path like good girl gone bad (I like ors overall better and I like the cheracters more in ors so dont get me wrong I LOVE holly,cindy,alison,gillian way more) but gggb did this thing better with different kind of path you had less split personaltie for example steal with lena,kick dog,cheat,make fun with ivy about minvera and all this mean girl stuff and play her more like a highschool bully and than have moral monologe/and i need to repsect ian and holly and cant corrupt her with that typ of lena meh dosent make sens to me
so in this in my OPINION gggb was better with shallow path it was more cliche YES but it made more sens and was probably more easy for eva to handel
you are right in real life people are more COMPLEX but this is still a videogame so I dont thing its a bad idea to have this different path and friendships that are tied to cliche personalties (good lena ,bully/slutty lena,....)
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ORS and GGGB are telling two completely different stories though. GGGB was basically as the title read, a good girl going bad, and cut out all of the fat to that end. ORS is the story of how all these people's lives are intertwined and how each and every one of them influences the other. Obviously Ian and Lena are our two protagonists, but it's not difficult for Ian to be influenced by the likes of Cindy or Jeremy, the two primary instigators for change in his life, and he in turn can influence them, which then causes a feedback loop and influences how they interact with Wade, Axel, Ivy, or Allison.
ORS by the very nature of it's story, needs to have more nuanced characters, than the much more archetypical characters from GGGB. And I feel like in both this thread and GGGB thread when I discuss these two games with you, I end up stressing that ORS is not a compete game. We don't know where the story is going, Holly could very well go down the path you're asking for, we don't know. But it isn't out of this world to think if Ian is being a good and loving boyfriend to Holly, than the more corruptive influences of Ivy and Lena would take longer to be reflected in Holly.
And if you like GGGB more that's fine, that's your opinion, you're allowed to have it. There are plenty of games that have exactly what GGGB does, that can be played. But again ORS is something completely different to GGGB, and cannot be fairly compared to each other, especially when one of them is still a work in progress.
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If you base your take of their friendship strictly on Ivy's lifestyle, then by your logic, shouldn't she find not-slutty Lena who is in love with Ian boring as well? Why does she keep asking her out to hang out and stuff if she knows that this type of Lena will never agree with her on her attempts to manipulate people or fuck without concern for anybody? Maybe because Ivy feels lonely and simply likes Lena's company, regardless of whether Lena does her bidding or not? She likes being friends with Lena period, she doesn't make condition for their friendship. She doesn't get mad at Lena for anything, not for refusing to see Axel, not for protecting Holly, not for dating Ian, not even for lezzing out with Louise. Relationship drops are always minimal and don't really affect their day-to-day interactions.
If she can hang out with "boring" Lena, then she can tolerate "boring" Holly's company, too, simply because she's Lena's friend. She even tolerated Louise when she was brought over, and she hates Louise.
If you can't understand why slutty Lena would keep hanging out with "boring" Holly, then she doesn't drop her hobbies simply because of her love for sex and kinks. She's still a songwriter, she's still a book reader, canonically, on any path, regardless of your influence. Because it has always been her passion, but one she denied herself for more accessible endeavors (easy to work as a model, hard to make a career as a singer). So, no matter what you do, she'll always have things in common with Holly, even if they're very different. Besides, they still share Ian as their mutual friend. Even if they broke up, they don't just stop talking to each other. Ivy is not the only person in Lena's life.
I can give you this, that there are, in fact, inconsistencies with Lena's personality. It has to do with the lack of morality tracking. There are no Good / Bad points. In GGGB, the whole game was built on that mechanic so she couldn't choose to do bad things without having some bad karma or vice versa, if she fell too deep, some of the selfless / caring / moralizing actions were inaccessible to her. However, it still wasn't perfect, because some good / bad bonuses were arbitrary, there wasn't room for grey actions. However, even in GGGB the game only locked you into 4 separate paths very late in the game (Good/ Slut / Thug / Bimbo). Until then, you could do pretty much whatever you wanted, sleep with whomever you wanted, date whoever you wanted, pick any career (work in office while modeling and camming at the same time) etc.
But in my opinion, it's not that GGGB was done better, it's just some of Lena's parts have bad writing for the old time's sake. Sometimes, Eva includes bad choices like kicking a dog for nothing else but shits and giggles. That doesn't do anything for Lena's character (no way to track the morality of that action), it only drops her friendship with Emma a bit. And that kind of approach just doesn't fit a more serious and more complex narrative of ORS. I imagine that Agenda points were introduced into the game as a replacement for Good / Bad points; They should control whether Ian or Lena can do shitty / noble actions with other characters based on whether they were good friends or bad friends. But this system ended up being too complicated, so in the later chapters it feels more like an after-thought. And on top of it, sometimes you can do shitty things without NPC knowing about it, so their relationship level can't be used to reliably filter Ian or Lena's available actions. Instead, _disposition variables were introduced which really function the same way as Agenda should.
That said, I don't think locking Ian / Lena into distinct paths (whether career based or stat based) is a way to go. Personally, I would just expand on ian_chad / lena_posh variables and introduce maybe ian_bad and lena_bad to track especially bad actions that Ian or Lena can do. Like, treating characters like shit, betraying friends, cheating, breaking the law and other obviously bad actions should contribute to that score, and then some actions could be locked behind this _bad variable or the dialogue could simply differ based on their current morality, just like with Good / Bad Jess. Without it, there are going to be double standards and hypocritical actions / dialogues.
This is for sure an option one could take, but i'd have to disagree whether this would be a good choice -- simply because porn games with cliched and stock personalities (or lack thereof) are already dime a dozen. So imo it'd benefit ORS to push the envelope here, if just a bit; similar to how it does so with both art and the narrative.
When i play videogames, it's so i can be entertained. And having a dumbed down cast that makes me hold my hands more often against my face than the mouse isn't really entertaining to me. It's annoying.
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I agree with you on the bottom text about consistency with personalities depending what decissions you make but I have no idea what happened in the past with ivy and lena it seems like they are friends for a LONG time and indeed it would not make sens for someone like ivy to be friends with good/nerdy/artist...... lena but if lena protected her in the past from something or maybe ivy has a terrible past with her parents(alceholic father.....) and lena was there for her in the right moment this would explain why a cheracter like ivy would be friends with lena even if normaly she would look down on that kind of lena but holly dosent have something like that with ivy ivy is only interested in holly because she likes to teach/corrupt her
I just cant imagin a ivy that listening to hollys problems or talking about books or how amazing ian is and how much in love she is with ian ............
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For the love of fuck.. There are Periods and Commas.,
Second, who gives a fuck about the rationalization of Ivy and Holly being friends? You have people in the real world with friendships that are entirely unexpected and work just fine.
This circle jerk of your claim that Ivy is only interested in Holly to corrupt her and only sees her as such is a fucking joke. There is more to her, let alone other character than what is on the surface. Then again, it's pointless arguing with certain people who have blinders on and refuse to see anything but what they only see.
She likes Holly, because Holly is Lena's friend, and Holly has shown a willingness and courage to try something new and to change who she is. What so many people keep calling corruption is really just Ivy encouraging Holly to keep changing and trying new things. Ivy is just doing it in her own way, and in the way Ivy knows best and will take cues from Lena on how to interact with Holly. If Lena is encouraging the more slutty behavior, then Ivy will go with that; if Lena is more protective of Holly the Ivy backs off.
Also of note, Ivy seems to have a genuine soft spot for more quiet and subdued characters. Look at how she interacts with Perry on their first meeting, she showed an immediate fondness for him the second she learned he had a speech impediment. So why is it so hard to believe that she wouldn't like a more artistically inclined Lena?
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Truer words never thought to be spoken.
I think it's hard for certain someones to believe simply because they have their heads buried where the sun doesn't shine, where 2+2=8, and any true common sense is out the window. They see what they want to see and refuse to see anything other than the certain narrative that they themselves put forth.
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Good call. I hadn't considered this. If this is a real tendency of Ivy's, meaning it's part of Eva's conception of her personality, it adds some interesting nuance to her character.
Can somebody tell me how I can get Lena and Ian in an open relationship? And how I can get a threesome with Ivy for Lena?
On the other note:
mommysboiii doesn't have a case here. Ivy can be genuine with Lena and Holly, there is nothing out of the ordinary there. Friendships like this do happen and I know some unlikely friends like that myself. I think mommysboiii just wants his theories to be true because it could grant him what he truly wishes: cucked from the every angle Ian. But I'm afraid games, which aren't only for cuck connoisseurs, aren't made that way.
On the other note:
mommysboiii doesn't have a case here. Ivy can be genuine with Lena and Holly, there is nothing out of the ordinary there. Friendships like this do happen and I know some unlikely friends like that myself. I think mommysboiii just wants his theories to be true because it could grant him what he truly wishes: cucked from the every angle Ian. But I'm afraid games, which aren't only for cuck connoisseurs, aren't made that way.
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Disclaimer: For now open relationship requirement only bypasses the Lust check for Lena to accept the threesome. You can't keep sleeping with other people on your own. Well, you can cheat, but it has nothing to do with an open relationship.
With that out of the way, to access it you need in Chapter 9 during "the talk":
1) Lena who is sleeping with either Louise, Robert, or Mike. The key word IS sleeping, not banged a couple of times and kicked to the curb.
2) Ian who is either dating Alison/Cherry OR banged Emma/Minerva OR kissed Cindy OR with 5 Lust.
Then, the option to go for an open relationship will come up.
To get the threesome with Ivy and Holly in the showers, Lena should have sex with Ivy in Chapter 10, and then either Holly should be in sexual relationship with Ivy (after Chapter 8) or Lena should have a sexual relationship with Holly. For the latter, neither Holly nor Lena can date Ian.
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Holly and Ivy are good friends because both are pushed down our throats by Evakiss.
Notice how Holly is back at the pole dancing even if you told her to fuck off,the geek has to be on Lena ass always like a dog.
Notice how Holly is back at the pole dancing even if you told her to fuck off,the geek has to be on Lena ass always like a dog.
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You're harsh but yeah Holly coming to pole dancing after having said it's not for her is a bit jarring and screams "combine branching to trim paths"
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Holly comes to the pole dancing class again because Lena is there, and that's a way for Holly to interact with her more, even if she isn't too fond of the activity itself.