VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

You make the wrong assumption that a popular character is also a well written character! Sometimes that is so, sometimes it is not! That Cindy is so popular hinges on exactly one and only one thing, she looks good! Her charcter is one of the worst in the whole game. Selfish, childish and starts nagging once not everything goes her way.

I have to disagree I think she is the most realistic written character along with Emma and maybe Holly. She is dissatisfied with her life and seeking out of a way but does not know how. Even the interaction with Lena in epilogue is perfect example of this, these people when they found out a way they will act cocky become gullible towards people who will positive about it and hostile against people who try to warn them. I saw them irl, I interacted with them. Their fall always be a huge one and it seems Cindy is no exception.
Along with all cast only she has depth actually. I understand why some people don't like her because that attitude is annoying even frustrating but still she is very well written character and interestingly she is even better written than MCs.
Though I agree that her fan base comes from she is smoking hot, not because she is written well. If my assumptions are right and dev follow that path for her, she will be the most hated character in this game and maybe become a candidate amongst all AVNs.

 

[Gicoo]

Chapter 1-9 Cindy was a solid character. Believable motives with relationship issues, chemistry with Ian, best progression overall. It helped that Wade shared her screen-time and didn't let it become one-sided. Currently Cindy is 100% in the wrong for cheating with either Ian or flirting with Axel while Wade quickly became dead weight withput having his own agency and pursuit of different options (imagine Lena or Ivy leading him on).
Chapter 10 and 11 is mostly just her and Ian fucking, very little progression. The epilogue Axel drama works especially if Cindy and Lena are interested in the same guy (either Axel or Ian), though its a detriment for pure Ian/Cindy (Cindy shouldn't fall for Axel else the entire route ends disappointingly).

 

[Nymphonomicon]

Would it be fair to assume there will be a scene/scenario similar to the pool party from GGGB at some point in this game?
By that, I mean a space for multiple members of the female cast to be surrounded by unrestrained debauchery and be encouraged to engage with it.

 

[Slick Bean]

Cindy might be going on a cruise to be ogled by Axxel's enemies ... so there is that.

Would it be fair

On the other hand, Seymour was quoted to have FORBIDDEN LENA TO ENGAGE IN EXHIBITIONISM.
All the ”dates” and ”hookups” thus far have ended into someone or another girl/guy appartment.
There is no incentive in this drama ridden game for ditching all the waven intricate drama avenues for some total nonsense.

 

[Turret]

If my assumptions are right and dev follow that path for her, she will be the most hated character in this game and maybe become a candidate amongst all AVNs.

I doubt that will happen! Just look at her fanbase in this thread, most of them don´t give a single Pfifferling what her character is, because hot and she must fuck around, then her fans are happy.

I have to disagree I think she is the most realistic written character along with Emma and maybe Holly. She is dissatisfied with her life and seeking out of a way but does not know how. Even the interaction with Lena in epilogue is perfect example of this, these people when they found out a way they will act cocky become gullible towards people who will positive about it and hostile against people who try to warn them. I saw them irl, I interacted with them.

We then have to agree to disagree here. I have also seen real life persons like Cindy, Emma (which is one reason I cannot stand her in the game at all), Alison or Holly, to name a few, but being realistically written is also not the same as well-written. It is part of it, but not all. Cindy stands very much for the Comedia del arte approach, some roles have to always be filled. And that she does, but not more, she is a typical character, like millions of her siblings in spirit.
To give an example of well-written, realistic characters, even if they stand for many others like them, are the characters of "Der Stechlin" from Theodor Fontane. He was a great observer of his contemporaries and even the average characters are wellwritten, they have the bit "extra" even if they are the stand-ins for millions of normal persons.

 

[Tierra_Azul]

Again, why is everyone complaining about Lena slutting it up in the club, when previous club scenes have consistently had Lena slut it up. Is it because Marcel's black?

More that he’s a useless character to add at this time when EK complains about trying to keep everything tied up and wanting to wrap things up, he’s a waste of space character that takes time away from established characters. He didn’t even get an original scene, only a reuse of Jeremy’s. Nah, she should have spent that time on something meaningful instead of pandering to fans.

 

[BlandChili]

Nope. If lena_fty_bbc is false the entire Marcel sequence won't trigger.

I'm annoyed this is the case. You don't have to be specifically into BBC to be into Marcel.

Anyways... How about you guys put down the pitchforks and talk about the new girl... I think it would be really interesting if you could play puritan Ian (rejects all girls) and then meet this new girl for wife material. Just a simple girl with a simple job looking for a simple guy. Yay or nay?

Eli? Nay. Ian has plenty of options, I want another girl option for only Lena. I'm selfish.

 

[Xupuzulla]

though its a detriment for pure Ian/Cindy (Cindy shouldn't fall for Axel else the entire route ends disappointingly).

What if the Cindy route inst supposed to be pure?
You are stealing her from one of your best friends,the whole Ian-Cindy route is toxic from the beggining...

 

[Slick Bean]

Oh, but on the dev stand point, you absolutely have to, or else that scene is a totaly disgusting scene.
On the one hand, each and every one of the males is acting moronically and throwing himself at Lena,
from Seymour the social idiot to Stan the social depraved - they absolutely all thrown themselves onto Lena all the time.

You don't have to be specifically

There is no rhyme to have some random character this late do exactly like all other 25 characters before,
unless it is to spite Jeremy - flare his insecurity and actually steal his thunder in his own club - BAM!

 

[Socrambus]

What if the Cindy route inst supposed to be pure?
You are stealing her from one of your best friends,the whole Ian-Cindy route is toxic from the beggining...

You have a point, but if Cindy's story is going to be the same no matter what you choose (love, lust, try to help her relationship with Wade or just ignore the whole situation), then your choices are kind of meaningless, don't you think?. They would only affect how your Ian feels about her story. Plenty of games around where your choices don't really matter but it would feel weird in this game.

I'm not saying there has to be a happy ending to her path, it's not pure and has many difficulties to overcome starting with the treasonous beginning and continuing with all the hiding from your group of friends, her starting career as a model or Ian's relationships with the other love interests. But Cindy's actions should be affected by Ian's decisions IMO.

 

[Gicoo]

Yes. There are currently around 4 Cindy paths and the issue with the epilogue is that it hurts the first two:

1. Ian helps Cindy and Wade: Cindy flirts wih Axel anyways, helping Wade seems to be pointless.
2. Ian romances Cindy: Cindy flirts with Axel anyways, all the romantical build-up and the passion of Ian and Cindy during chapter 1-9 becomes moot, since Cindy may just fuck around anyways.

3. Ian fucks Cindy: Cindy flirts with Axel, this is "fair", since Ian doesn't commit to her and possibly also dates Lena/Alison, so Cindy isn't as loyal to Ian.
4. Ian doesn't help Wade and ignores Cindy: Cindy flirts with Axel, this is also logical and the expected result of that plotline.

 

[BlandChili]

Oh, but on the dev stand point, you absolutely have to, or else that scene is a totaly disgusting scene.
On the one hand, each and every one of the males is acting moronically and throwing himself at Lena,
from Seymour the social idiot to Stan the social depraved - they absolutely all thrown themselves onto Lena all the time.


There is no rhyme to have some random character this late do exactly like all other 25 characters before,
unless it is to spite Jeremy - flare his insecurity and actually steal his thunder in his own club - BAM!

I just find it needlessly restrictive to route Marcel to BBC specifically this late in the game.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

Definitely against the grain, but I played 4 times and honestly I didn't understand why so much fuss was made for a game of average enjoyment, the character I hate most is Lena, followed by Ivy, but being friends, the result couldn't have been different, 2 false personalities and manipulators, Lena a fake saint, and Ivy a profiteer. Few characters are saved, the first of all is Ian, the real cornerstone, luckily for me, in the game I have always managed not to create a relationship with Lena, and make Ian a top and Lena the slut he deserves.

 

[mangosok]

This game has soul. I started playing a porn game and ended up watching a dramedy all night. 10/10.
But I can't understand why Ian doesn't consider Holly his girlfriend if they've had sex several times already and he's said more than once that he's crazy about her. Did I do something wrong?

 

[Gicoo]

This game has soul. I started playing a porn game and ended up watching a dramedy all night. 10/10.
But I can't understand why Ian doesn't consider Holly his girlfriend if they've had sex several times already and he's said more than once that he's crazy about her. Did I do something wrong?

Probably not. Its weird how Ian can't commit to anyone except Lena and kind of Cindy. I suppose this the spanish dating culture in which you can fuck someone constantly without it meaning its a relationship.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Yes. There are currently around 4 Cindy paths and the issue with the epilogue is that it hurts the first two:

1. Ian helps Cindy and Wade: Cindy flirts wih Axel anyways, helping Wade seems to be pointless.
2. Ian romances Cindy: Cindy flirts with Axel anyways, all the romantical build-up and the passion of Ian and Cindy during chapter 1-9 becomes moot, since Cindy may just fuck around anyways.

3. Ian fucks Cindy: Cindy flirts with Axel, this is "fair", since Ian doesn't commit to her and possibly also dates Lena/Alison, so Cindy isn't as loyal to Ian.
4. Ian doesn't help Wade and ignores Cindy: Cindy flirts with Axel, this is also logical and the expected result of that plotline.

I'll laugh when Ian catches Cindy jumping on Axel's dick when he chose the "romantic" route with her. What else do we expect: play stupid games (betraying your friend by stealing his girlfriend) - win stupid prizes. If Cindy cheated on Wade, there's nothing stopping her from cheating on Ian. Once a hoe, always a hoe.

 

[mangosok]

Probably not. Its weird how Ian can't commit to anyone except Lena and kind of Cindy. I suppose this the spanish dating culture in which you can fuck someone constantly without it meaning its a relationship.

Why spanish?

 

[Gicoo]

Why spanish?

Developer is spanish so presumable they draw upon what they experienced in their culture.

 

[mangosok]

Developer is spanish so presumable they draw upon what they experienced in their culture.

I didn't know, thanks.

 

[atrebor68]

it's a destiny for every female MC, but yea, game encourage you all the time to do that

True. I’ m trying a new route from beginning enveloping a story with Ian and a (enough) good Lena. At the first error she turn into a slut.