VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Socrambus]

You can save your sarcasm for someone else. Re-using art from previous sex-scenes for future sex-scenes is certainly not the play unless you enjoy looking at the same thing over and over again.

It just means she's working less on new art, recycling old stuff. For me personally, this was the first time I noticed it and I hope this isn't gonna be the new norm as it would make things rather boring. You can't seriously act like looking at the same art for several sex-scenes is fine.

I have bad news for you, there are multiple instances of recycled art in the game as well as several scenes where only the "character skin" changes, but it's basically the same scene for different paths (like Ian and Mike, for example). So more of this in future updates, I'd say it's a pretty good bet.

In my opinion, it's a bad thing but also an understandable compromise for a one man/woman game. Ideally, there would be more resources working in the game, some outsourcing for the less creative and more tedious tasks. But IRL it's not always easy finding reliable people you can trust to deliver your vision while also keeping the game profitable. Of course it would be great to get more content and faster updates.

 

[palmtrees89]

I have bad news for you, there are multiple instances of recycled art in the game as well as several scenes where only the "character skin" changes, but it's basically the same scene for different paths (like Ian and Mike, for example). So more of this in future updates, I'd say it's a pretty good bet.

In my opinion, it's a bad thing but also an understandable compromise for a one man/woman game. Ideally, there would be more resources working in the game, some outsourcing for the less creative and more tedious tasks. But IRL it's not always easy finding reliable people you can trust to deliver your vision while also keeping the game profitable. Of course it would be great to get more content and faster updates.

Well, she does have help from what I understand. A colorist and someone she's commissioned art from for scene(s) I think?

Dunno if that's still the case, but if it is, I mean... Let's just say it was a bit of a bummer. Like I said, it's the first time I've noticed it myself so not like the world's gonna end. Still, considering how long each episode takes these days it was rather unexpected.

 

[fatpussy123]

You can save your sarcasm for someone else. Re-using art from previous sex-scenes for future sex-scenes is certainly not the play unless you enjoy looking at the same thing over and over again.

It just means she's working less on new art, recycling old stuff. For me personally, this was the first time I noticed it and I hope this isn't gonna be the new norm as it would make things rather boring. You can't seriously act like looking at the same art for several sex-scenes is fine.

Art reuse in ORS has been a thing way longer than just the last few chapters. Here are a few examples:

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There are way more examples, especially with how much Eva Kiss shares scenes between Ian, Mike, Robert, and Mark. The point is not that these are bad. Context is important and most of the time there is not a need for new artwork in lesser important scenes. In the new release, same thing, yes there are reused scenes, but they are not found in the very important scenes or they will be in the lead up, we do not really need 10 different versions of Ian kissing Lena before having sex, the same way we don't need 10 different versions of POV blowjob shots.

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Again, the important scene will occasionally have recycled art, but they are used transitionally and are not the main attraction. Sometimes scenes might also be reused if the original did not happen on your save. An example would be Holly's recent scene being near identical to last update's scene on the trinity path. For those on the solo path they did not get that scene and thus a very similiar scene was played this update.

 

[palmtrees89]

Art reuse in ORS has been a thing way longer than just the last few chapters. Here are a few examples:

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There are way more examples, especially with how much Eva Kiss shares scenes between Ian, Mike, Robert, and Mark. The point is not that these are bad. Context is important and most of the time there is not a need for new artwork in lesser important scenes. In the new release, same thing, yes there are reused scenes, but they are not found in the very important scenes or they will be in the lead up, we do not really need 10 different versions of Ian kissing Lena before having sex, the same way we don't need 10 different versions of POV blowjob shots.

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Again, the important scene will occasionally have recycled art, but they are used transitionally and are not the main attraction. Sometimes scenes might also be reused if the original did not happen on your save. An example would be Holly's recent scene being near identical to last update's scene on the trinity path. For those on the solo path they did not get that scene and thus a very similiar scene was played this update.

First time I've noticed it myself. Think I said it like 3 or 4 times by now. Probably because I don't play 10 different routes. Seeing recycled art on the same route is just a bummer, period.

Crazy how a tiny bit of criticism is making people jump out of their chairs to catch bullets for Eva. lol

I like the game, by the way. Hope that helps.

 

[fatpussy123]

First time I've noticed it myself. Think I said it like 3 or 4 times by now. Probably because I don't play 10 different routes. Seeing recycled art on the same route is just a bummer, period.

Crazy how a tiny bit of criticism is making people jump out of their chairs to catch bullets for Eva. lol

I like the game, by the way. Hope that helps.

Which route did you notice recycled art on? Was it actually a sex scene or was it two frames of oral before the sex?

 

[Flowing Thought]

So many western VN seem to fall into the trap of wanting to do tons of branches and paths and a bunch of LI which leads to each update taking longer and longer and feeling shorter and shorter even if there is still a lot of unique content if you follow every path, but the whole thing feels unsatisfying for everyone. Having both Ian and Lena to follow already creates a lot of branching by itself, but giving them so many options and different types of relationships to have with each other and with others creates a mountain of work that you can't possibly do in any reasonable timeframe. You end up spending years waiting for the story to advance much and could spend literally 1 or 2 maybe even 3 entire years waiting for meaningful content with your chosen LI. Authors really need to reign in the scope. Evakiss tried to make so many people happy, but I think more and more it leaves no one happy.

 

[spartaan]

Just got the trinity scene, wasn't expecting it to happen tbh. Chad Ian, nerdy Holly, non-slut Lena who fell for Holly while dating Ian.

I'm pretty sure Ian fucked every girl he could this run and still pulled it off. Every one except Holly before the threesome, anyway.

 

[Dr.Sloth]

So many western VN seem to fall into the trap of wanting to do tons of branches and paths and a bunch of LI which leads to each update taking longer and longer and feeling shorter and shorter even if there is still a lot of unique content if you follow every path, but the whole thing feels unsatisfying for everyone. Having both Ian and Lena to follow already creates a lot of branching by itself, but giving them so many options and different types of relationships to have with each other and with others creates a mountain of work that you can't possibly do in any reasonable timeframe. You end up spending years waiting for the story to advance much and could spend literally 1 or 2 maybe even 3 entire years waiting for meaningful content with your chosen LI. Authors really need to reign in the scope. Evakiss tried to make so many people happy, but I think more and more it leaves no one happy.

While I won't rebuke anything you said because, well, it's all true, it's also what give the completed work it's quality, depth and replayability. Having to wait so long is annoying sure, but it should end up being beneficial (if Eva doesn't disappear with the cash lol).
On the part of "no one happy" tho keep in mind the only complaints that matters are the patrons' and they seem pretty pleased with the game so far. So while you'll see a lot of grumble here, don't mistake it for the general opinion around the game: Eva has 7 times more patrons paying for her game monthly that there are people who bothered to leave a review for free.

 

[grahegri]

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[Tiago Patrício]

When will the final version of this update be released?

 

[Ray_D]

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As a professional Cuckologist let me tell you that cuckold fantasies are based more on Emotional Sadomasochism similar to and including physical Sadomasochism(AKA. BDSM). Some people like inflicting physical pain and some like receiving it. In humiliation based cuckolding, it is that but more on emotional level than physical (more mind games, more tease and denial and many creative ways). The less Hardcore cuckolding is based on selfless love, where one partner loves the other so much they are ready to allow whatever their partner does sexually (if the other partner (the one cheating) is not too dominant it can become an open relationship too).

Now, is it healthy? Maybe not. Can it ever be practiced in a healthy way? Probably. (there are plenty of reasons people might develop this kink).

So I would say the cuck path is well written from Ian and Lena's point of view at least and the games they play and emotions they show (so I don't think this is just about pleasing fans). There are plenty of ways to present this kink more interestingly, too.

-Dr.FuckLenaCuckIan

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

View attachment 3889786
As a professional Cuckologist let me tell you that cuckold fantasies are based more on Emotional Sadomasochism similar to and including physical Sadomasochism(AKA. BDSM). Some people like inflicting physical pain and some like receiving it. In humiliation based cuckolding, it is that but more on emotional level than physical (more mind games, more tease and denial and many creative ways). The less Hardcore cuckolding is based on selfless love, where one partner loves the other so much they are ready to allow whatever their partner does sexually (if the other partner (the one cheating) is not too dominant it can become an open relationship too).

Now, is it healthy? Maybe not. Can it ever be practiced in a healthy way? Probably. (there are plenty of reasons people might develop this kink).

So I would say the cuck path is well written from Ian and Lena's point of view at least and the games they play and emotions they show (so I don't think this is just about pleasing fans). There are plenty of ways to present this kink more interestingly, too.

-Dr.FuckLenaCuckIan

I wouldn't be surprised if that's a department at Evergreen State.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

While I won't rebuke anything you said because, well, it's all true, it's also what give the completed work it's quality, depth and replayability. Having to wait so long is annoying sure, but it should end up being beneficial (if Eva doesn't disappear with the cash lol).
On the part of "no one happy" tho keep in mind the only complaints that matters are the patrons' and they seem pretty pleased with the game so far. So while you'll see a lot of grumble here, don't mistake it for the general opinion around the game: Eva has 7 times more patrons paying for her game monthly that there are people who bothered to leave a review for free.

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

Current situation does strike me like George RR Martin if he made fap games. "Goddammit, George. I've been waiting on this nut for 13 years."

 

[camube]

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

how would eva wrap things up in 3 chapters i wonder. Seymour hasn't clashed with Emma or Perry's dad or with Ian. Ian is still in the first round of mma tournament. Billy stuff with Ivy hasn't started at all. I don't think 3 chapters is enough to cover all this. 4 chapters would be rushed. I think at least 5-6 chapters are needed if everything goes quickly from next update.

But i also thought things would escalate in chapter 12 and instead it turns out it's just "holiday and chilling" chapter so far. I really don't think ORS will finished at chapter 16 unless things are really rushed or EK decided to end it abruptly for some reason.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

how would eva wrap things up in 3 chapters i wonder. Seymour hasn't clashed with Emma or Perry's dad or with Ian. Ian is still in the first round of mma tournament. Billy stuff with Ivy hasn't started at all. I don't think 3 chapters is enough to cover all this. 4 chapters would be rushed. I think at least 5-6 chapters are needed if everything goes quickly from next update.

But i also thought things would escalate in chapter 12 and instead it turns out it's just "holiday and chilling" chapter so far. I really don't think ORS will finished at chapter 16 unless things are really rushed or EK decided to end it abruptly for some reason.

That's why I said four or five chapters. See the quote of your previous post. I could see the chapters being a bit longer to accomplish this + Eva's going to have to make a decision here where the rest of chapters are simply to resolve the current threads and plotpoints. The time for adding new points & introducing new characters is gone, unless those characters are simply vehicles necessary to conclude the current threads. 4-5 additional chapters alone and we're already looking at "final release" (ba dum tiss) in 2028. Which is pretty crazy for a porn game that started development in 2020.

 

[ffive]

But i also thought things would escalate in chapter 12 and instead it turns out it's just "holiday and chilling" chapter so far.

Lena/Ian relationship can blow up in like three possible ways, Ian/Holly gets its resolution one way or another, and Lena/Ian/Holly can become an actual thing. I wonder what's your idea of escalation if these are "holiday and chilling" in your eyes..?

 

[Chartog]

No female goes to the beach without painted toenails. Why doesn't one of them have painted toes? Come on Evakiss

 

[timoleont]

Please post some saves at least before chapter 12. The game is good, but I'm really too lazy to go through it all over again.

 

[lucadiadis]

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

Current situation does strike me like George RR Martin if he made fap games. "Goddammit, George. I've been waiting on this nut for 13 years."

I'm not an heroic fantasy lad, I'm more into classic literature, BUT each of Martin's update is like a hundred billion times more substantial than EK's updates, all paths included and that's a conservative estimation.

 

[lucadiadis]

Please post some saves at least before chapter 12. The game is good, but I'm really too lazy to go through it all over again.

The main pleasure of this game is PRECISELY to go through it over and over again. Cannot see how it could be a chore while it is its main interest.
If the only interest was the updates, this game would have been forgotten long ago, as since twelve chapters ago, kids have gone from school to college, some of us were children when it started and have discovered fapping in their teens with chapter 10 and have lost their virginity as freshers this year, some of us got married, some of us got children, some of us have changed jobs twice, some of us retired, and some of us like myself had the time to change countries five times and continents thrice since this game started.
Only reason it is worth coming back to in spite of EK being the laziest oax out there: the depth of the story and characters combined with the complexity of the branches makes you discover something new each time you start the game all over again. And EK is the only developer in the industry capable of accomplishing this. Too bad she cannot work more than five minutes a day.