Gicoo

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Does anyone know a way to cheat Ian with Axel and Jack? Whenever I get to the club part I can't go with Jack but I can with Axel
Axel has a higher priority than Jack. So to fuck Jack, either don't let Lena get involved with Axel or interrupt their route:
Have Axel fuck Lena in chapter 9, but afterwards in chapter 10 and 11, use the worst options on him and don't have Lena relax or masturbate to relapse (let her play music). At the club, she can avoid fucking Axel and either be loyal to Ian or cheat on him with Jack (requires high lust). In chapter 12, chose the best options towards Axel and he and Lena will resume fucking.
 

CaiWez

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Axel has a higher priority than Jack. So to fuck Jack, either don't let Lena get involved with Axel or interrupt their route:
Have Axel fuck Lena in chapter 9, but afterwards in chapter 10 and 11, use the worst options on him and don't have Lena relax or masturbate to relapse (let her play music). At the club, she can avoid fucking Axel and either be loyal to Ian or cheat on him with Jack (requires high lust). In chapter 12, chose the best options towards Axel and he and Lena will resume fucking.
Can you though? In my playthrough even when Lena chose those options in chapter 10 and 11, she doesn't get to fuck Jack because Axel shows up at the club anyways. She can reject Axel at the club but can't accept Jack offer to cheat.
 
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Would be interesting to see Emma get influenced by Lena on Ian Cuck route and trying to get something similar with Perry. They could both then share tips & tricks on how to keep their providers hooked. There would even be room for Holly to join them with Stan as provider. I need new proper update before I get too lost in this depravity...... :oops:
 

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There are paths where the blacklisting has zero impact, does not come up at all or does not happen. In these game universes Seymour is nicer than in others.
Blacklisting is canon and it happens regardless of Lena's stance towards Seymour, the phone call she makes to the gallery and Danny before visiting Emma for the practice. There is zero impact if she signs the contract. It's the blackmailing part that does not come up if she willingly signs. So yes, Seymour is sneaky if Lena signs the contract and on the other hand he is upfront about it if she refuses.
 
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CaiWez

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Can you though? In my playthrough even when Lena chose those options in chapter 10 and 11, she doesn't get to fuck Jack because Axel shows up at the club anyways. She can reject Axel at the club but can't accept Jack offer to cheat.
Can someone confirm this?
 

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There are paths where the blacklisting has zero impact, does not come up at all or does not happen. In these game universes Seymour is nicer than in others.
Lena losing access to her modeling gigs due to Seymour's interference always happens, always comes up and it certainly has impact on her ability to make a living. Seymour is the same scheming dipshit in all game universes, sorry. I'm not sure why you're so keen to bat for him here to the point where you'd basically ignore even the author's description of that character.
 

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I'm not sure why you're so keen to bat for him here to the point where you're basically ignore even the author's description of that character.
Because this is someone who is convinced that Sophia in PC is the perfect intellectual equal to PC's Edwin and that their romance will be one for the ages.

Otherwise...utterly deluded and obviously plays very different VN's to the rest of us.
 
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ffive

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Because this is someone who is convinced that Sophia in PC is the perfect intellectual equal to PC's Edwin and that their romance will be one for the ages.
I mean, at the end of the day i could understand getting blinded by Sophia's, ahem, assets. But Seymour. :hidethepain:

Like, there was someone a few months back here who was claiming that Robert was actually pretty good romantic option for Lena and seemed ready to die on that hill. This feels like a rerun or smth.
 

Gicoo

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Can you though? In my playthrough even when Lena chose those options in chapter 10 and 11, she doesn't get to fuck Jack because Axel shows up at the club anyways. She can reject Axel at the club but can't accept Jack offer to cheat.
Okay, if you want Lena to cheat on Ian with Axel and Jack in the same playthrough with both of them, thats probably out. Axels event pushes Jacks event away. Would clash too much plotwise to have Lena accept two alphas.
 
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Lena losing access to her modeling gigs due to Seymour's interference always happens, always comes up and it certainly has impact on her ability to make a living. Seymour is the same scheming dipshit in all game universes, sorry. I'm not sure why you're so keen to bat for him here to the point where you'd basically ignore even the author's description of that character.
It never made much sense to me that Seymour blacklists Lena no matter her response and attitude. I'm guessing it was to reduce early branching and to clearly establish Seymour as an asshole a nemesis/corruptive influence. And it clearly worked for most of us, even if Seymour's latest update is weird.
 

ffive

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It never made much sense to me that Seymour blacklists Lena no matter her response and attitude. I'm guessing it was to reduce early branching and to clearly establish Seymour as an asshole a nemesis/corruptive influence.
Probably, although i think this also established Seymour as a character who works methodically and (unless put on the spot) also subtly, preparing the ground in advance for people he wants to ensnare, rather than leave that all up to chance and that pesky "free will" of undeserving peasants.
 

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Probably, although i think this also established Seymour as a character who works methodically and (unless put on the spot) also subtly, preparing the ground in advance for people he wants to ensnare, rather than leave that all up to chance and that pesky "free will" of undeserving peasants.
There's no subtlety in using the stick with a willing peasant, preparation is good but only idiots throw their power around without restraint, the true magnificent bastards only use their power sparingly when it's absolutely necessary.
 

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It never made much sense to me that Seymour blacklists Lena no matter her response and attitude. I'm guessing it was to reduce early branching and to clearly establish Seymour as an asshole a nemesis/corruptive influence. And it clearly worked for most of us, even if Seymour's latest update is weird.
It makes perfect sense because the likes of him are POS. He made sure she wouldn't be tempted by anything else even though she was showing interest in working with him.
 
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It never made much sense to me that Seymour blacklists Lena no matter her response and attitude. I'm guessing it was to reduce early branching and to clearly establish Seymour as an asshole a nemesis/corruptive influence. And it clearly worked for most of us, even if Seymour's latest update is weird.
The only explanation that I've come up with Seymour meddling in her modeling while Lena is enthusiastic to work with him is that it's revealed that he's trying to set up a higher end modeling campaign with the likes of Agnes and he wants to vet who she works with and prevent overexposure.
 
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