VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[varpep]

My head canon for Lena and Ian is them in a committed relationship with full swinging allowed. A bit like the one John Boy and Elena have in another game

 

[Xupuzulla]

So... what do you guys consider to be the ultimate/canon playthrough? Ian and Lena 100% loyal to each other? Ian, Lena and Holly? Ian and Lena sleeping with max possible amount of characters? Setting up relationships and hookups between other characters as much as possible?

Ian with Lena,Holly with Stan,Alison with Louise,Cindy with Axel,Ivy with a jail sentence for life.

 

[robs1234]

My head canon for Lena and Ian is them in a committed relationship with full swinging allowed. A bit like the one John Boy and Elena have in another game

a man of culture i see.

 

[Nifferman]

Lena and Stan romantic love route
and "GigaChad" Ian fucks only his own right hand

Too many Mommyboiis in here nowadays

 

[AndreDA]

Thanks for the answers. It's true that the game heavily pushes Ian with Lena, reminds me of Mass Effect where you're practically strong-armed into dating Liara and every other LI has little content. It's especially frustrating because I find Cindy and Alison to be by far the hottest girls in the game, but if you prioritise their content it completely closes off even a friendship between Ian and Holly and you feel like you're missing out on something the writer intended to happen. Also while Ian has a bunch of interesting girls to choose from (even if some could use more content), I feel like Lena's potential LI's are all awful. I mean, think about it, is there a single "boyfriend material" in her route other than Ian? Just a bunch of douchebag fuckboys, "lesbians" (but not really, only for our special Lena), a simp and a sugar daddy. How depressing.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Thanks for the answers. It's true that the game heavily pushes Ian with Lena, reminds me of Mass Effect where you're practically strong-armed into dating Liara and every other LI has little content. It's especially frustrating because I find Cindy and Alison to be by far the hottest girls in the game, but if you prioritise their content it completely closes off even a friendship between Ian and Holly and you feel like you're missing out on something the writer intended to happen. Also while Ian has a bunch of interesting girls to choose from (even if some could use more content), I feel like Lena's potential LI's are all awful. I mean, think about it, is there a single "boyfriend material" in her route other than Ian? Just a bunch of douchebag fuckboys, "lesbians" (but not really, only for our special Lena), a simp and a sugar daddy. How depressing.

Based Alison enjoyer,in my headcanon shes the one who ends with Ian but lets be real,thats no happening in the actual canon ending

 

[BigOlP]

Also while Ian has a bunch of interesting girls to choose from (even if some could use more content), I feel like Lena's potential LI's are all awful. I mean, think about it, is there a single "boyfriend material" in her route other than Ian? Just a bunch of douchebag fuckboys, "lesbians" (but not really, only for our special Lena), a simp and a sugar daddy. How depressing.

This is a common complaint and I totally agree her list of available guys sucks. I think by the end she'll be able to use her Main Character magic to whip Stan or Jeremy into respectable boyfriends, but neither have really shown why they'd deserve that kind of work being put into them in the first place.

I do like her lesbian routes though, and I don't think it's a stretch that Holly (pre-established bisexual who admires "hot" girls like Lena/Ivy) or Louise (just wants someone to give her attention and dom her) would go for her.

 

[Nathaniol]

any ivy holly save?

 

[AndreDA]

The problem with lesbian routes is that they break my suspension of disbelief. Porn logic is fine in other games, but this one tries really hard to be more grounded so any deviation from that is very noticeable. So, they're all conventionally attracive and femme presenting, seem to come out of their shell specifically for also femme attractive Lena, and at the same time homosexual content is obviously not present in Ian's route.

Honestly the most realistic lesbian written by EvaKiss is that butch tranny from Good Girl Gone Bad, and that was a very porn character that got created because of some fan contest or something IIRC. I don't know, maybe she should've made Emma a lesbian or something.

But really, this only brings me back to the argument that characters in Ian's route are better written, while those in Lena's route are two-dimensional stereotypes. Baffling, because supposedly EvaKiss is a woman, yet she writes these slow burn complicated romances for Ian, while the scripts for Lena are basically "OMG, he's so hot, I bet he has a huge dick, I have to find out!" and "me and my BFF get drunk and start making out in the most male-gazey way imaginable". You'd think a woman would be able to write some more grounded and normal male romance options, and maybe an actual lesbian, not a porn version of one.

I mean, even the douchebag characters in Ian's route are realistically so. Cindy is a passive aggresive cheating bitch, but she seems like a human being and you can see where she's coming from. Alison and Cherry are similarly humanized. Only Minerva seems like a porn character. Well, and Jeremy of course. Actually the "immoral slutty friend" might be the only instance where the Lena equivalent (Ivy) is better written that Ian's (Jeremy).

 

[Blackreaper]

If you play all possible routes open at the same time you see that Ian is only beating Robert and not even him always. Is beyond pathetic for a dual protagonist. When Lena is sending all her guys lewd pictures Ian gets the same thing she posts on her Only Fans/sends to the guy paying money, while everyone else gets unique poses, lol.

Can you please tell me which game the middle girl is from ?

 

[NebulousShooter]

Can you please tell me which game the middle girl is from ?

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Based Alison enjoyer,in my headcanon shes the one who ends with Ian but lets be real,thats no happening in the actual canon ending

Thats her fault for bleaching her hair

 

[crabboid]

My head canon for Lena and Ian is them in a committed relationship with full swinging allowed. A bit like the one John Boy and Elena have in another game

Mine is for Ian to think that he's in a committed relationship, while Lena bangs Jeremy and Jack behind his back, and then play as Lena having to navigate all that without Ian finding out. Unfortunately, the game doesn't seem inclined to let me do that. The cheating is what gives it that bit of taboo spice, Ian being ok with it just kind of takes the fun out of it for me.

Kind of a weird aside, but it's like those crappy Sharknado movies that they make crappy on purpose so that they're "in on the joke", but it just comes off as more lame than if they'd actually put in the effort, tried to make a good movie, and accidentally made a crappy move in spite of that.

 

[Birdnman993]

So... what do you guys consider to be the ultimate/canon playthrough? Ian and Lena 100% loyal to each other? Ian, Lena and Holly? Ian and Lena sleeping with max possible amount of characters? Setting up relationships and hookups between other characters as much as possible?

Lena/Holly without a doubt, is the cutest and most sincere couple in the whole game, and apart from Ian, lena has no other decent LI.

With Ian it's the opposite, he has so many good LI that it's hard to choose, I can't decide between Ian/cherry or Ian/Emma.

 

[Hungover00]

I'm going to ask... is sending pictures of your dick and your sexual conquests to your friends normal for straight guys now?There's literally a scene where Jeremy sends Ian a picture of his dick and Alison with her face covered in cum.

I'm bi and I don't do that shit...

Not for normal guys, but maybe it is for fuck bois/players. The ones that don't see woman as people, but extensions of their own sex lives.

At least that's my take.

 

[Hungover00]

Well I don't see any as canon, but in my mind the ultimate playthrough would be the pure trinity run. It results in the two protagonists and Holly, the unofficial third protagonist all being happy with each other. In other playthroughs where Holly doesn't date a protagonist, she either ends up living an unfulfilling lifestyle as Slut Holly or she is rejected plain Jane with no progress.

Out of curiosity, can you reach the Holly Trinity by going Lena/Holly, then adding Ian in at some point? I've heard of the Ian/Holly + Lena, and done the Ian/Lena + Holly paths.

 

[Hungover00]

Lena/Holly without a doubt, is the cutest and most sincere couple in the whole game, and apart from Ian, lena has no other decent LI.

With Ian it's the opposite, he has so many good LI that it's hard to choose, I can't decide between Ian/cherry or Ian/Emma.

I don't know if it's possible with the game branches, but an Ian/Lena/Holly/Emma would be a divine ending. One where they sidestepped all the potential rich guy manipulations, and showed off a good life not centred on money.

Maybe Perry gets Cherry? Or Wade and him commit to the e-sports? Wade and Cindy seemed doomed, it's just how bad the breakup goes (unless I missed something). Axel is scum. Stan and Louise wouldn't know a healthy relationship if it sat on their faces (so maybe they can have some weird fucked up relationship? Where Louise falls back to fucking Jeremy every so often?) Allison deserves better than Jeremy, but also doesn't seem to have the best way to approach getting into a healthy relationship. Ivy doesn't look like she has any internal growth on the horizon.

Edit: Maybe Wade and Allison? After he bounces out of his slow decline, and she sees through Jeremy being as deep as a puddle. Wade seems like there was a decent guy in there, that got lost along the way.

 

[Mr_Ainz]

So maybe I just need to play some more to check if I missed anything but the Ian/Lena/Holly resolution feels lacking in the new update. The beach scene is amazing but they don't really talk about it the following day (I can understand they may want to enjoy the last day and have the talk later). Now the next day is Saturday, Lena is still on vacation, what the fuck are you doing for 3 days? Then they meet to talk about it and have sex and that's it? Then next day is just Lena and Ian having sex like okay? Guess they can communicate through sex like two warriors who understand each other through their fists.

I think there should have been a bigger scene where they talk about it. It can be done in a simple way where Eva doesn't have to take into account that many variables. Just say how they don't care about what brought them together, that they just want to continue whatever they have right now. Sex scene was good tho.

 

[ffive]

Then next day is just Lena and Ian having sex

That's just a bug, the game should skip the Lena/Ian on trinity route.

Unfortunately it doesn't really make it any better, because it just means the next event in the timeline is Lena leaving on the trip with Ivy.

 

[AndreDA]

I don't know if it's possible with the game branches, but an Ian/Lena/Holly/Emma would be a divine ending. One where they sidestepped all the potential rich guy manipulations, and showed off a good life not centred on money.

Maybe Perry gets Cherry? Or Wade and him commit to the e-sports? Wade and Cindy seemed doomed, it's just how bad the breakup goes (unless I missed something). Axel is scum. Stan and Louise wouldn't know a healthy relationship if it sat on their faces (so maybe they can have some weird fucked up relationship? Where Louise falls back to fucking Jeremy every so often?) Allison deserves better than Jeremy, but also doesn't seem to have the best way to approach getting into a healthy relationship. Ivy doesn't look like she has any internal growth on the horizon.

Edit: Maybe Wade and Allison? After he bounces out of his slow decline, and she sees through Jeremy being as deep as a puddle. Wade seems like there was a decent guy in there, that got lost along the way.

Well, come to think of it there is a general lack of good relationship options for supporting characters. Perry and Emma is the only pairing that makes sense currently. Big part of the problem is that almost the entire support cast is either massively dysfunctional or downright bad people. In Good Girl Gone Bad there were more supporting characters that started as decent, normal people, and you could keep them that way. Also, in GGGB you could not only corrupt good characters, but also fix bad ones like Jessica. Here 90% of the support cast is not ready for a healthy relationship, and you can only corrupt them (like Holly, Cindy, Minerva) while not being able to fix the bad ones like Ivy, Jeremy or Axel. In GGGB you could engineer a pretty good ending where a bunch of characters end up healthy and happy. So far, I don't see that possibility for this game. I think it was a mistake to make every supporting male character either a loser or a fuckboy. There is no one to pair up the girls with now. Alison is a perfect example, her love path shows that she can be a relationship material with the right guy, but if Ian doesn't go for her then she just ends up as Jeremy's cumrag.

 

[Hungover00]

Well, come to think of it there is a general lack of good relationship options for supporting characters. Perry and Emma is the only pairing that makes sense currently. Big part of the problem is that almost the entire support cast is either massively dysfunctional or downright bad people. In Good Girl Gone Bad there were more supporting characters that started as decent, normal people, and you could keep them that way. Also, in GGGB you could not only corrupt good characters, but also fix bad ones like Jessica. Here 90% of the support cast is not ready for a healthy relationship, and you can only corrupt them (like Holly, Cindy, Minerva) while not being able to fix the bad ones like Ivy, Jeremy or Axel. In GGGB you could engineer a pretty good ending where a bunch of characters end up healthy and happy. So far, I don't see that possibility for this game. I think it was a mistake to make every supporting male character either a loser or a fuckboy. There is no one to pair up the girls with now. Alison is a perfect example, her love path shows that she can be a relationship material with the right guy, but if Ian doesn't go for her then she just ends up as Jeremy's cumrag.

Alison and Ian is a solid B+ relationship (to me). A good amount of compatibility, some natural passion, no major conflicts or worldview disparities (unless you choose/make them). But the spark that Ian and Lena have is missing. And as you point out, non-asshole Ian is the only decent male option in the game. Perry could be, for someone with the right puzzle piece match, and Wade might be again, if he rebuilds himself. Everyone else is deeply flawed in ways that make them bad people, or at least bad people to date.

I do wonder if it's a failing on the writers part, for not being able to create compelling male love interests, or if the bar is so low for what makes an acceptable male romance option that they think these are good enough. Because it doesn't really feel like it's just an issue with this game or EK, but across media types. Romance, from what I understand, is broad enough to have decent and compelling options as well as the fucked up dysfunctional male love interests, but elsewhere it seems like 90% crap vs. 10% a healthy and interesting person you would recommend to a friend to date.

Also, Jeremy is just the worse, but then Axel exists, so not the absolute worst.