VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[dolfe67]

Does anyone feels like Lena's side of the story is turning into late Ashley 2.0 ?

Despite what she said, it was always where it was leading. Just a bit more fleshed out characters and a bit more grounded (no drug gang). That's also fans' expectations

One more thing, do you guys think we will ever get more cosmetic changes? I get that tattoos, a beard or another hair style/color involves a lot of work. But Lena could at least get some additional piercing: nose, tongue, nipples, VCH, etc. It will be way easier to manage as they don't need to appear in every scene

This is unlikely, she already explained how it was a pain in the ass to do tattoos for Lena, especially in the lewd CG. She considered it for Ian (as we can see in the code) but she said she was very unsure she'd do it

 

[CreativeCritic2]

You mean like writing a fanfic? Oh yeah, it's perfect for those who have ideas and can write but are not good with the development. I mean that's how you start learning. By writing a fanfiction you improve your writing and use the least complex program. If you have the money, you can hire someone to code/draw meanwhile you write.

Most professional female authors working in SF, Fantasy, and Romance will have cut their teeth writing for sites like An Archive Of Our Own.

From the outside, Fan-Fiction can seem like people just writing bad additional material for existing film and TV series but part of that process is also exploring the sexual possibilities of different characters and that side of things can get pretty debauched... the famous example is always Kirk and Spock but I saw a fic the other day about Always Sunny in Philadelphia in which Dennis basically gets off on giving Mac a series of eating disorders. Then there's the fic about the BBC Sherlock series where Benedict Cumberbatch's character is a 12 year old boy and Dr Watson is a stern head-master.

I'd love for there to be ORS fan-fiction... don't moan on the internet about how Eva is ignoring your head-canon, write a story about how Seymour gets bored of Lena and decides to focus his energies on Perry instead!

 

[_Zebra_]

This is unlikely, she already explained how it was a pain in the ass to do tattoos for Lena, especially in the lewd CG. She considered it for Ian (as we can see in the code) but she said she was very unsure she'd do it

This is why I was thinking that piercings could be a good idea. They are mostly hidden and when they are not, it's a simple layer which can be turned around and put in place with ease.
Ivy is a good example, though not the best one because she barely has any scenes, but we've seen her tongue piercing once.

 

[Gicoo]

I think a lot of people need to discover the joys of writing fic...

How can you be inspired to write about certain characters in a specific setting when we don't have enough inside in the characters and the conclusion of their arcs, because the game isn't completed and drags on for 5 years with little indication when, if and how it ends? And how can you write a fanfic about the characters when its not elaborated on how and why the act? I have no idea how you would write a proper Stan/Lena fanfic, because we get no explanation why Lena is interested in him.

You only get fanfics if the original product is good enough. ORS isn't complete and a good chunk of characters are a mess in terms of relevance (most males are just fuckboys with bare agency and dreams) and consistency (many females go from prudish to slut at a whim).

 

[Xupuzulla]

How can you be inspired to write about certain characters in a specific setting when we don't have enough inside in the characters and the conclusion of their arcs, because the game isn't completed and drags on for 5 years with little indication when, if and how it ends? And how can you write a fanfic about the characters when its not elaborated on how and why the act? I have no idea how you would write a proper Stan/Lena fanfic, because we get no explanation why Lena is interested in him.

You only get fanfics if the original product is good enough. ORS isn't complete and a good chunk of characters are a mess in terms of relevance (most males are just fuckboys with bare agency and dreams) and consistency (many females go from prudish to slut at a whim).

Hilarious post coming from the headcanon master

 

[EscapeEvade]

I think a lot of people need to discover the joys of writing fic...

I am a Minerva/Ian femdom fan and very much like the idea of Cindy fliting with Ian at Jiu-Jitsu and Ian walking straight past her at some party in order to lavish attention on the older woman that Cindy decided to dunk on in the pole-dancing class at the beginning of the game while Cindy is still selling feet pictures over the internet and humming-and-hawing over maybe going on a date with the black guy who has been fucked and summarily discarded by Lena, Alison, and Louise.

I don't see it as some sort of failure that Eva failed to provide this for me... she can't provide images to every degenerate piece of head-canon... the fact that she produced a game that inspired me to come up with the above scenario is a gift. Most games don't make me wonder what it would be like if various NPCs hooked up.

Speaking of which, is Minerva content effectively done now other than maybe text messages?

 

[bonerland]

Speaking of which, is Minerva content effectively done now other than maybe text messages?

Good lord no. An Ian that is falling for Minerva still has yet to give her that gift he can buy her.

 

[EscapeEvade]

Good lord no. An Ian that is falling for Minerva still has yet to give her that gift he can buy her.

Okay, I forget from the Chapter 12 content; I thought there was an implication it was done.

 

[ffive]

Lena can still get in a relationship with Ian in chapter 12 even if she fucked with Jeremy before, provided both Lena and Ian have selected all love options previously and I guess Lena not actively fucking with Axel, Idk about Ian's side of things though.

Does she, now? From what i remember in the game's script, if Lena has actually fucked Jeremy this makes Jeremy confess about it to Ian, which triggers ian_lena_crisis and prevents late-game relationship from forming because it's then not considered "pure", which is a pre-requirement at that stage.

 

[ffive]

Maybe this is a bug. PilotLara - In chapter 11 - Ian can have a point in ian_cuck, which will let him tell Lena about his dream. Immediately after that there is a footjob scene, in which an athletic Ian could reset his cuckold status to 0. If that happens, the above scene doesn't make to much sense. Ian is no longer on the cuck path.

It's not a bug.

    elif v11_tell_dream:
        "Lena looked at me and smirked before delivering her statement."
        l "Never have I ever had a dream about my ex cheating on me and found it arousing."

Lena tells about the dream if Ian told her about the dream. It's not determined by the cuck flag status, but by whether this actually has happened in the play through. Which is perfectly logical: Ian "stopping" to be the cuck doesn't erase the fact he's had such dream from existence, and Lena who knows about it can give him shit about it just fine.

 

[dolfe67]

It's not a bug.

    elif v11_tell_dream:
        "Lena looked at me and smirked before delivering her statement."
        l "Never have I ever had a dream about my ex cheating on me and found it arousing."

Lena tells about the dream if Ian told her about the dream. It's not determined by the cuck flag status, but by whether this actually has happened in the play through. Which is perfectly logical: Ian "stopping" to be the cuck doesn't erase the fact he's had such dream from existence, and Lena who knows about it can give him shit about it just fine.

Only if they are still a couple then. In my PT Ian broke up with Lena because of Cindy, and he's told her about that dream. But she didn't mentionned it in the "never have I ever" game

 

[ffive]

Only if they are still a couple then. In my PT Ian broke up with Lena because of Cindy, and he's told her about that dream. But she didn't mentionned it in the "never have I ever" game

Maybe it's a change in the game script, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Lena will bring it up no matter the relationship status on her turn, with one exception: if the Holly Trinity is about to happen then she will prioritize talking about skinny-dipping instead. (but i doubt that would trigger in the play through where Ian broke up with Lena for Cindy)

 

[dolfe67]

Maybe it's a change in the game script, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Lena will bring it up no matter the relationship status on her turn, with one exception: if the Holly Trinity is about to happen then she will prioritize talking about skinny-dipping instead. (but i doubt that would trigger in the play through where Ian broke up with Lena for Cindy)

It was a recent change then

 

[varpep]

Does she, now? From what i remember in the game's script, if Lena has actually fucked Jeremy this makes Jeremy confess about it to Ian, which triggers ian_lena_crisis and prevents late-game relationship from forming because it's then not considered "pure", which is a pre-requirement at that stage.

You are right. It does trigger the crisis. If Ian chooses the broken heart option. The one that Ian says he can't see Lena as just a friend. And Lena chooses that she still wants to be with Ian. They do agree to become a couple at the end of the chapter. Ian does act jealous the whole chapter though. And there is some flavour text. He also shares he is not thrilled about Lena seeing Jeremy behind his back. In chapter 13 if Ivy told Lena about Cindy she asks Ian about it and he flat out lies if he was still seeing Cindy before the beach house events. Lena can even bring up Jeremy as a candidate for the MMF threesome.

 

[SerHawkes]

I think you guys are WAAY too hard on Eva.

Nah, we are being tame in our judgement here, specially me.

Some of us here have been here since the very first iteration of this game. Hell, some of us even supported this game finacially, self included. Many hoped that this game would turn out to be something other than a fancied up iteration of GGGB. Myself? I had two things in mind: Naturally Ian and Ivy, but also I was curious on how EK would grow going from GGGB into this one.

For the first year and a half or so, things looked promising. Story did have some bumps but there was some measure of ground work laid that could have been built on. At the same time: There wasn't a months apart meeting from Lena ala the Prologue, Ian and Axel could be semi buddy with each other, and Ivy and Ian had some measure of a flirty exchange in the first iteration.
Similiarly when asked about Ian and Ivy, EK said and claimed that they were on the back burner and she was trying to figure how to incorperate them. This was in year two. Sure, that makes some sense, being around Chapter 6 or so.

Then came the first rework. Wade. Now, originally, Wade had a job yet was not putting in enough effort in the relationship with Cinders. Also, Ian and Ivy's flirty moment was changed to her giving him a peck on the cheek. Outside of that nothing changed. Story remained the same yet there was more of a different tone of things. Not longer were we getting more story being progressed and we saw more and more panderment to kinks. More sex, less story. Sure, some could say thats a good thing. Others would argue differently. Me, I see it as a problem. At the time there were some kinks here and there, scattered among the chapters, which is well and fine. But since Chapter 6 there has been more and more showings of more and more kinks and fetishs. Not really a great sign, esspecially when EK herself said she didn't want to ORS to turn into another GGGB. Also... and here is a kicker: She said that she WASN'T GOING TO ADD ANYMORE CHARACTERS TO THE STORY SINCE THE CAST WAS ALREADY BOLSTEROUS AS IS.

What do we get? Cameo Jack for a one off scene and possible romance with Lena, Shopclerk Gal likely going to hook up with Lena at some time, Mark, Marcel, fucking Arthur from GGGB, among others, ALL FOR LENA. Ian though? Path pending scene with Bad Girl Jess and a one time meet and greet with Natalie.

And of course we can't forget the illustrious STAN UPDATE in year three. An update that not only didn't change or add anything to Stan's character, but also changed the prologue to a pointless months away remeet and greet with Lena and made Ian think he was a creepy stalker, as well as change the possible buddy ship with Axel to spending more time with your dumbass friend Jeremy and removed the peck on the cheek with Ivy into a normal, boring encounter. And instead of advancing on from the story side on both, its been a slog of Lena being able to fuck anyone without any consequence and Ian getting possibly punished if he does anything, while slamming in more kink and fetish content because EK lives in a constant echo chamber filled of sycophants that want their kinks catered too over and over again.

I stopped my support of this game just after Wade's update because I had a feeling this was how it was going to be and of course I was right. To have such hopes for this game only to be met with disregard and a sharp change of direction, all because of the risk of "losing" her supports in not catering to their very kink it to be quite frank, disappointing and very frustrating. I'm not alone in this venture, though I am certainly the most vocal in my disappointment. The thing with being critical of developers is that some tend surround themselves with yescunts and live in their safe little space of an echo chamber, thinking they can cater and appease everyone but end up failing to such ventures, all because they listen too much to the supporters and their requests over and over again for certain content which is already overly pandered to. As a result, their own game suffers, despite their best efforts to try and "balance" things. And as a result, here we are.

Now, if you will excuse me...
Leave me alone to die...

 

[Geigi]

Nah, we are being tame in our judgement here, specially me.

Some of us here have been here since the very first iteration of this game. Hell, some of us even supported this game finacially, self included. Many hoped that this game would turn out to be something other than a fancied up iteration of GGGB. Myself? I had two things in mind: Naturally Ian and Ivy, but also I was curious on how EK would grow going from GGGB into this one.

For the first year and a half or so, things looked promising. Story did have some bumps but there was some measure of ground work laid that could have been built on. At the same time: There wasn't a months apart meeting from Lena ala the Prologue, Ian and Axel could be semi buddy with each other, and Ivy and Ian had some measure of a flirty exchange in the first iteration.
Similiarly when asked about Ian and Ivy, EK said and claimed that they were on the back burner and she was trying to figure how to incorperate them. This was in year two. Sure, that makes some sense, being around Chapter 6 or so.

Then came the first rework. Wade. Now, originally, Wade had a job yet was not putting in enough effort in the relationship with Cinders. Also, Ian and Ivy's flirty moment was changed to her giving him a peck on the cheek. Outside of that nothing changed. Story remained the same yet there was more of a different tone of things. Not longer were we getting more story being progressed and we saw more and more panderment to kinks. More sex, less story. Sure, some could say thats a good thing. Others would argue differently. Me, I see it as a problem. At the time there were some kinks here and there, scattered among the chapters, which is well and fine. But since Chapter 6 there has been more and more showings of more and more kinks and fetishs. Not really a great sign, esspecially when EK herself said she didn't want to ORS to turn into another GGGB. Also... and here is a kicker: She said that she WASN'T GOING TO ADD ANYMORE CHARACTERS TO THE STORY SINCE THE CAST WAS ALREADY BOLSTEROUS AS IS.

What do we get? Cameo Jack for a one off scene and possible romance with Lena, Shopclerk Gal likely going to hook up with Lena at some time, Mark, Marcel, fucking Arthur from GGGB, among others, ALL FOR LENA. Ian though? Path pending scene with Bad Girl Jess and a one time meet and greet with Natalie.

And of course we can't forget the illustrious STAN UPDATE in year three. An update that not only didn't change or add anything to Stan's character, but also changed the prologue to a pointless months away remeet and greet with Lena and made Ian think he was a creepy stalker, as well as change the possible buddy ship with Axel to spending more time with your dumbass friend Jeremy and removed the peck on the cheek with Ivy into a normal, boring encounter. And instead of advancing on from the story side on both, its been a slog of Lena being able to fuck anyone without any consequence and Ian getting possibly punished if he does anything, while slamming in more kink and fetish content because EK lives in a constant echo chamber filled of sycophants that want their kinks catered too over and over again.

I stopped my support of this game just after Wade's update because I had a feeling this was how it was going to be and of course I was right. To have such hopes for this game only to be met with disregard and a sharp change of direction, all because of the risk of "losing" her supports in not catering to their very kink it to be quite frank, disappointing and very frustrating. I'm not alone in this venture, though I am certainly the most vocal in my disappointment. The thing with being critical of developers is that some tend surround themselves with yescunts and live in their safe little space of an echo chamber, thinking they can cater and appease everyone but end up failing to such ventures, all because they listen too much to the supporters and their requests over and over again for certain content which is already overly pandered to. As a result, their own game suffers, despite their best efforts to try and "balance" things. And as a result, here we are.

Now, if you will excuse me... View attachment 4485085
Leave me alone to die...

On one side there are those who wanted tamer game, on the other there are those who wanted more hardcore game than GGGB was. I'm talking about DW shit.

 

[SerHawkes]

On one side there are those who wanted tamer game, on the other there are those who wanted more hardcore game than GGGB was. I'm talking about DW shit.

Not a surprise, given her start with GGGB. It's safe to say she wanted this game to be somewhat tamer yet still have kinks here and there. Which up until Chapter 6, she was doing well on that. But since then, we all see the result.

 

[Penumbral Evanescence]

who wanted more hardcore game than GGGB was

Ofc you'd be into hardcore

 

[russelld]

Stop it guys. The game is amazing and her work is a masterpiece. With all the different paths and angles and how each and every choice effects the story, there is no VN out there that can match ORS. You can virtually write your own story each time you play. How many VN's can boast this? None.

 

[StormHowl]

Nah, we are being tame in our judgement here, specially me.

Some of us here have been here since the very first iteration of this game. Hell, some of us even supported this game finacially, self included. Many hoped that this game would turn out to be something other than a fancied up iteration of GGGB. Myself? I had two things in mind: Naturally Ian and Ivy, but also I was curious on how EK would grow going from GGGB into this one.

For the first year and a half or so, things looked promising. Story did have some bumps but there was some measure of ground work laid that could have been built on. At the same time: There wasn't a months apart meeting from Lena ala the Prologue, Ian and Axel could be semi buddy with each other, and Ivy and Ian had some measure of a flirty exchange in the first iteration.
Similiarly when asked about Ian and Ivy, EK said and claimed that they were on the back burner and she was trying to figure how to incorperate them. This was in year two. Sure, that makes some sense, being around Chapter 6 or so.

Then came the first rework. Wade. Now, originally, Wade had a job yet was not putting in enough effort in the relationship with Cinders. Also, Ian and Ivy's flirty moment was changed to her giving him a peck on the cheek. Outside of that nothing changed. Story remained the same yet there was more of a different tone of things. Not longer were we getting more story being progressed and we saw more and more panderment to kinks. More sex, less story. Sure, some could say thats a good thing. Others would argue differently. Me, I see it as a problem. At the time there were some kinks here and there, scattered among the chapters, which is well and fine. But since Chapter 6 there has been more and more showings of more and more kinks and fetishs. Not really a great sign, esspecially when EK herself said she didn't want to ORS to turn into another GGGB. Also... and here is a kicker: She said that she WASN'T GOING TO ADD ANYMORE CHARACTERS TO THE STORY SINCE THE CAST WAS ALREADY BOLSTEROUS AS IS.

What do we get? Cameo Jack for a one off scene and possible romance with Lena, Shopclerk Gal likely going to hook up with Lena at some time, Mark, Marcel, fucking Arthur from GGGB, among others, ALL FOR LENA. Ian though? Path pending scene with Bad Girl Jess and a one time meet and greet with Natalie.

And of course we can't forget the illustrious STAN UPDATE in year three. An update that not only didn't change or add anything to Stan's character, but also changed the prologue to a pointless months away remeet and greet with Lena and made Ian think he was a creepy stalker, as well as change the possible buddy ship with Axel to spending more time with your dumbass friend Jeremy and removed the peck on the cheek with Ivy into a normal, boring encounter. And instead of advancing on from the story side on both, its been a slog of Lena being able to fuck anyone without any consequence and Ian getting possibly punished if he does anything, while slamming in more kink and fetish content because EK lives in a constant echo chamber filled of sycophants that want their kinks catered too over and over again.

I stopped my support of this game just after Wade's update because I had a feeling this was how it was going to be and of course I was right. To have such hopes for this game only to be met with disregard and a sharp change of direction, all because of the risk of "losing" her supports in not catering to their very kink it to be quite frank, disappointing and very frustrating. I'm not alone in this venture, though I am certainly the most vocal in my disappointment. The thing with being critical of developers is that some tend surround themselves with yescunts and live in their safe little space of an echo chamber, thinking they can cater and appease everyone but end up failing to such ventures, all because they listen too much to the supporters and their requests over and over again for certain content which is already overly pandered to. As a result, their own game suffers, despite their best efforts to try and "balance" things. And as a result, here we are.

Now, if you will excuse me... View attachment 4485085
Leave me alone to die...

I noticed that too. A lot many adult authors these days caters to kinks more than the story these days, which makes the novel slowly flop down the line. GGGB was equally balanced in story and kinks but same cannot said for ORS which is having less of a story after chapter 6 and more kink related content.