VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[bonerland]

Who is to say Alison wasn't drugged and that she normally wouldn't participate in such sex? That Jeremy isn't "corrupting her" behind the scenes? There's more than one time where Ian notes that Alison acts surprisingly uninhibited and in a manner he'd never think her to act. And she also keeps escalating her wild behavior.

(this is of course just playing devil's advocate, but the point is, we have zero information in both cases. But in one we choose to jump to conclusions, and in other it doesn't even occur to make such conclusions to some people. One could very well say that's just more of those supposed double standards)


Right, precisely: it's ambiguous, if you want to be nice about it. Or a pure conjecture in terms of what we know, if one wants to be blunt.

Claiming that Holly got raped and that Ivy is a rapist "but she gets a pass" as if this is some sort of established fact instead of nothing but a wild fan theory, that's presumptuous, as best. It goes quite beyond calling it out as a potential rape.

edit: Also, it may be worth to remember this game doesn't have rape tag. I really doubt EK is developing a "Ivy is raping Holly" storyline here.

Besides the lack of any evidence to say otherwise? Ian also hadn't seen Alison in years and hadn't been in the bedroom with her on that particular path either, so that's hardly concrete. And it's not zero info, Ivy does have drugs and pushes them onto Lena twice, and Lena herself says Holly looked doped up in that particular picture. It's not double standards, it's just making connections. It may be conjecture at this point, but not wholly unfounded conjecture either.

Good Girl Gone Bad didn't have a rape tag either, and that definitely had less than consensual scenes in it.

 

[varpep]

I mean im defending Holly of all peoplethat never happened before.
Im still waiting for the Ivy essays btw you guys loved writing about Robert and his "evil" acts,where is the outrage for Ivy actions and her evil stench being felt all over game.
WHERE!?

I guess time will tell all. When it finally comes out that Ivy has been drugging Holly and manipulating Lena because of her deal with Axel, you can be the first to scream "I told ya so!" and rub it all in our faces...no Diddy

 

[Hungover00]

It's called dub-con in fanfiction which is borderline on non-con. It's popular and writers use it when they want to write dark content but are uncomfortable with the non-con as taboo theme.

Dub-con = dubious consent, I'm gathering?

And cool to find out the proper term. It's basically rule 34, I know there's a kink for that, even if I've never looked into it before.

 

[Eleanorduval]

The Holly Trinity is when you manage to get Ian, Lena, and Holly into a throuple relationship (not just a threesome). There's a few different paths, but essentially it's Ian&Lena, later add Holly, or Ian&Holly, later add Lena.

It's a pun on Holy Trinity, but Holly is kinda an honourary protagonist in ORS.

after holly trinity u can things with holly without considere it cheating?

 

[Hungover00]

after holly trinity u can things with holly without considere it cheating?

Yes, and so far it's pure threesomes.

 

[BlandChili]

after holly trinity u can things with holly without considere it cheating?

We don't really know yet, I think scenes that would have been solo Ian/Lena and Ian/Holly scenes all just become threesome scenes. It might actually be interesting to see how much Ian gets to fuck either girl by themselves or how much they'll have sex without him for trinity.

 

[SizeQueenShrine]

Food stamp survivor, welfare check connoisseur looking ass crack hoe.

Eva turns "Our Red String" into "Requiem for a Dream" finale. I'm going to be one in a crowd shouting: Ass to ass! Ass to ass!

 

[Hungover00]

I mean im defending Holly of all peoplethat never happened before.
Im still waiting for the Ivy essays btw you guys loved writing about Robert and his "evil" acts,where is the outrage for Ivy actions and her evil stench being felt all over game.
WHERE!?

Really, people think Robert is evil? I just thought he was generally shitty and not good enough, which the game seems to agree with.

As for Ivy, I think the problem is we get hints of her being a snake in the grass, but we haven't gotten the actual proof yet. She's a master of deflection and plausible deniability.

I guess time will tell all. When it finally comes out that Ivy has been drugging Holly and manipulating Lena because of her deal with Axel, you can be the first to scream "I told ya so!" and rub it all in our faces...no Diddy

Those do seem to be the two big offenses that are hinted at. Her not showing up at Axel's was a favour to Axel, not failing to do one for Lena. She's probably been fucking Axel the whole time, too, but just when convenient. She treats Holly as her personal sex slave and slut apprentice, and doesn't really think ethics or morality should apply to herself. But has she been love-bombing Holly and dominating her that way, or are her methods more malevolent? It's kind of the core of Ivy's character, trying to figure out if she is a sexually liberated hedonist with a different set of values, or a sociopath that loves manipulating everyone around her for her own amusement and benefit. Both arguments can be made, and there is no conclusive evidence for either side, just a lot for both.

 

[Hungover00]

We don't really know yet, I think scenes that would have been solo Ian/Lena and Ian/Holly scenes all just become threesome scenes. It might actually be interesting to see how much Ian gets to fuck either girl by themselves or how much they'll have sex without him for trinity.

Lena and Holly do/can start before Ian gets there for the first post-start threesome. I imagine that there will be solo scenes of every variety, well, unless that becomes more work for EK than they want. But there's at least some Lena/Holly scenes that wouldn't have been seen on that playthrough that could be recycled. And some for Ian/Holly or Ian/Lena depending on how you got there, but that does leave a bit of a gap. Though that could be explained by spending a bit more time on the new partner, and the gap would be the scenes that would already be written for committed paths.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Really, people think Robert is evil? I just thought he was generally shitty and not good enough, which the game seems to agree with.

As for Ivy, I think the problem is we get hints of her being a snake in the grass, but we haven't gotten the actual proof yet. She's a master of deflection and plausible deniability.

Bro people in this thread acted like Stan was the worst person ever for fapping to the Lena pics
But somehow Ivy gets a pass for destroying a beloved character,a fan favourite,the patreons and F95 darling and queen.
REALLY MAKES ONE THINK AND WONDER!

 

[Hungover00]

Eva turns "Our Red String" into "Requiem for a Dream" finale. I'm going to be one in a crowd shouting: Ass to ass! Ass to ass!

Well, she bought that toy she'd seen in that movie, so...yeah.

 

[Hungover00]

Bro people in this thread acted like Stan was the worst person ever for fapping to the Lena pics
But somehow Ivy gets a pass for destroying a beloved character,a fan favourite,the patreons and F95 darling and queen.
REALLY MAKES ONE THINK AND WONDER!

Some people play the cuck path, and think Axel is a good partner. There's no accounting for taste.

And it's kind of on the players if they let Holly be defiled/sluttified. There's plenty of chances to not let that happen (though once it starts, it doesn't look likely to stop).

 

[Eleanorduval]

if ivy-axel are team,for me it is betrayal against lena.I love the sluttly side of ivy but no more

 

[BlandChili]

if ivy-axel are team,for me it is betrayal against lena.I love the sluttly side of ivy but no more

What slutty side? We have yet to see her having sex with anyone besides Lena, Holly and sucking off Jeremy once. Mike is off-screen and only a claim too!

We all know Ivy is secretly chaste and waiting for the right guy or gal.

 

[Eleanorduval]

What slutty side? We have yet to see her having sex with anyone besides Lena, Holly and sucking off Jeremy once. Mike is off-screen and only a claim too!

We all know Ivy is secretly chaste and waiting for the right guy or gal.

sluty doesnt necessary mean sex!

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

Eva turns "Our Red String" into "Requiem for a Dream" finale. I'm going to be one in a crowd shouting: Ass to ass! Ass to ass!

How Seymour's trip should've gone.

 

[BlandChili]

sluty doesnt necessary mean sex!

With a game full of hot women in skimpy clothing it does

 

[ffive]

Her proactive behaviour when she seeks out Jeremy/Ian on her own. Unlike Holly, who is pushed to every men she should fuck.

That's not what i asked about. Who is to say that Jeremy isn't offering Alison drugs, and that Alison isn't taking them because she feels pressurized to keep Jeremy's interest? Maybe Ian's remarks are also supposed to highlight that her behavior is not "normal" for her?

Bleaching your hair and nipple piercings are a significantly milder form of corruption and manipulation (if at all) than doing a glory hole.

The game literally refers to Alison who goes this route as a bimbo. This is, if anything, the extreme form of "corruption" in these games, that goes beyond basic "slutty" behavior of sucking a few cocks.

Besides the lack of any evidence to say otherwise?

The lack of any evidence, and how it undermines these theories when they concern Ivy instead of another character is precisely the point.

Ian also hadn't seen Alison in years and hadn't been in the bedroom with her on that particular path either, so that's hardly concrete.

Lena potentially never seen Holly fuck, period, and yet her remark is taken as a gospel. As if she is suddenly an expert on both Holly's sex life *and* drugs, when she has potentially never ever taken any herself.

And it's not zero info, Ivy does have drugs and pushes them onto Lena twice

To be exact, she offers drugs to Lena once. If Lena turns down the offer Ivy herself concludes the next time Lena doesn't want any, and you have to make an active choice there to get drugs from her.

Given this, the presumption that Ivy is drugging Holly against Holly's consent is not just far-reaching but actively ignoring/contradicting what the game actually shows us, regarding Ivy and drugs.

 

[Eleanorduval]

With a game full of hot women in skimpy clothing it does

whatever it is just a little details.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Some people play the cuck path, and think Axel is a good partner. There's no accounting for taste.

And it's kind of on the players if they let Holly be defiled/sluttified. There's plenty of chances to not let that happen (though once it starts, it doesn't look likely to stop).

You are missing the point of my post,people in this thread never cared about different paths while talking SHIT about Jeremy,Stan,Robert,Seymour,etc(basically all the male characters not named Ian).
But somehow Ivy gets a pass.
Somehow Ivy gets the benefit of doubt.
Somehow Ivy gets no heat for her crimes.
Thats the point of my posts.