VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Jplays512]

This game is so unfair from a male perspective... Lena can have sex with her roommate Luisa and break up with Ian because he had sex with Holly... Then she can have sex & relations with both Luisa and Holly...

She can buy so much stuff in a sex shop while Ian can't buy any exclusive or even the same stuff...

Any progress in Lena and Indian relations can be made only while you playing as Lena (if you don't use cheats on stats...)

Eva has a weird idea that being Bi and sleeping with the same sex (for women) does not equal cheating.

That said Lena does mentally comment about it saying it isn’t really fair she is breaking up with him over it. I think the game tries to frame it that she is doing it more for Holly’s sake than against Ian if she was sleeping with Louise.

I think Eva really pushes the money issue way harder with Lena. It is Lena’s main driving point in the game. She really needs money to help support her terrible mother/ live in the city, and then you as the player have to decide if she would still be able to buy stuff for herself (like toys or tattoos).

Ian has money issues but he is not given nearly enough opportunity to actually spend his money besides a few outfits and a gift for his LI. He also does not have the same opportunities to make money that Lena does.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Boom! collection complete

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John being there made me laugh,bro appeared out of nowhere and hes going to have threesomes too

 

[CreativeCritic2]

Eva has a weird idea that being Bi and sleeping with the same sex (for women) does not equal cheating.

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

 

[Blurpee69]

Mark's response to "Are you sure you can handle us" is way better than Robert's

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A) We knew that Mark has had threesomes with two women, or MMF, from GGGB. Ash and Eva can join him and Jacob, or him and Jacob can fuck Eva together if Ash refuses. So his response isn't too surprising.

B) I think Robert's response is much better, because it highlights how bitchy Lena is being with this question. Which I really want Holly to emulate as another step of her transformation.

 

[Blurpee69]

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

In her defense. EK never really wanted to touch Jasmine as they weren't comfortable doing a trans character in the first place. It was a capitulation to their patrons, and I would have to imagine that most of those TERF tropes came from them and not necessarily EK. EK has said they won't be doing trans characters again.

 

[jollyjoker27]

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

True in that sense. It´s a good example that Eva Kiss, while overall a top notch writer -compared to their peers- is completely clueless (or naive / oblivious) in certain aspects; scenarios; type of characters. It shows, drastically at times, though more so in GGGB than ORS tbf. That whole drug dealing mamacita route was cringe as fuck, too imo. I don´t remember the details, only played GGGB well after it was completed but there was talk, this Jasmine character got added in late. A high tier patron basically throwing money at Eva to do it? If true it might explain that one, to a degree at least.

Then again, Jasmine is also a very good example for Eva´s genius in terms of branching, or creating replayability. Like the current discussion re: Mark threesome. In the sense that there´s those paths you´d totally miss 99% of the time unless you use a guide or replay the game literally a 100 times. I had no clue until about a month ago, that there´s actually also a good/love AshxJasmine-ending. Get one choice -that might not even be obvious- "wrong" and you´ll never see it.

 

[Lavinotinto]

But wouldn't that mean Cindy's canon path is the sluttiness one that Axel draws her down? Since Ian would be currently occupied and unable to be the loving rebound to keep her off that path?

Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.

 

[GokutheG]

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

The sad part is that by slightly modifying her introduction Eva had a real winner with Jasmine.

Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.

Since getting with Cindy blocks Alison's love route my "canon" save is Ian trying to help Wade with the relationship while supporting Cindy. Gotta keep her away from that pos Axel.

 

[JKING92]

IDK about y'all, but I find it amusing that only Ian calls Lena out about her infidelity, trust breaking etc., and not the other way around! Especially when both my MCs are fucking everything that moves in FWB path.

Like I get that wee can see Ian's inner thoughts about the matter, with him acknowledging to be no angel either. Therefore, there has to be repercussions that go both ways. Otherwise it feels like a double standard to me.

Does it make any sense to y'all?

 

[PilotLara]

PilotLara At the moment there is still no opportunity for cuck Ian to give the necklace he bought to Lena. Do you know if this is intended? Or if he will give it to her at a later date. It's kinda a missed opportunity Lena can't fuck other men while wearing Ian's necklace!

I'll put it on the list

 

[ffive]

So ffive I'm curious, you say that this combination wasn't achievable with Lena and Holly having had sex before. I presume this means, I can't recall what you pointed out in pages back, that this blocks off the point where Lena can tell her to give Mark a chance, correct? I always start Holly/Lena at its earliers opportunity, but do you know if it can be initated later? I'm curious if one could perhaps get Lena and Holly involved after this point, but I would presume that any such options, for example taking pics of her in Lena's room, requires them to already be involved.

Re-checking the script, i think it may actually be possible to still follow the initial outline, just with some small tweak: instead of interrupting Holly and Mark when they talk, pick "Leave them to it". This will advance holly_change by 1, but leave holly_guy at 1. If the resulting change is less than 5, you can still "Let Holly decide" in the follow-up discussion and she won't yet feel ready to hook up with Mark. You can then proceed with the blowjob etc as normal.

 

[Socrambus]

Probably, but it's subjective. In my opinion, the ideal thing is for Ian (if you're into Holly Trinity) to help Wade not give up on Cindy, and for that to influence their relationship in future episodes.

I think the good path is getting Wade to accept the relationship is over and break up with Cindy. Maybe that could end with a reconciliation in late game after Cindy gets her modeling career fucked over. Or Wade will end up as a pro player with some egirl.

Regarding this, about a week ago I encountered something that I'm not sure if it's a bug or it's intended but I just forgot to put it here till now:

if holly_trinity == 2 or lena_holly_dating or (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) or (ian_lena_couple and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"):
    jump v13emmadateend

So that confirms what you said that if relationship Lena/Holly or trinity, sex with Emma doesn't happen. Also if Lena and Ian are in a serious relationship and didn't already have a threesome with Louise, sex doesn't happen either, which makes sense. The part that I'm not sure if it's a bug is that if you have an open relationship since the beginning (ian_lena_open = True), sex doesn't happen. You need to have the relationship opened during the beach trip crisis.

Further testing this, I think there's another issue with that check. If Ian and Lena are in the pure path and have had the threesome with Louise, the (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) condition for not having sex with Emma is false but as the check is an OR, you don't get sex with Emma because the last condition would be true as ian_lena_couple is true and they are not in an open relationship.

I would suggest removing the ian_lena_couple in the last check as it's redundant because ian_lena_open can't have any other value other than false if Ian and Lena are not a couple:

if holly_trinity == 2 or lena_holly_dating or (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) or ( ian_lena_open and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"):
    jump v13emmadateend

Maybe even separating each condition with several "else if" would be the best solution to make the code cleaner an easier to read:

if holly_trinity == 2
    jump v13emmadateend
elif lena_holly_dating
    jump v13emmadataend
elif ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False
    jump v13emmadataend
elif ian_lena_open and ian_lena_open != "lena" and ian_lena_open != "ian"
    jump v13emmadataend
else
    go to sex with Emma

 

[varpep]

I've replayed so many playthroughs today that I find myself making silly mistakes like picking all the cuck options on my chad demon Ian playthrough

 

[ffive]

Further testing this, I think there's another issue with that check. If Ian and Lena are in the pure path and have had the threesome with Louise, the (ian_lena_pure and ian_lena_3some == False) condition for not having sex with Emma is false but as the check is an OR, you don't get sex with Emma because the last condition would be true as ian_lena_couple is true and they are not in an open relationship.

IIRC this was reported earlier, since i pretty much ran into that bug face-first. So, there's some chance this was fixed in more recent builds EK is now working on.

 

[Socrambus]

IIRC this was reported earlier, since i pretty much ran into that bug face-first. So, there's some chance this was fixed in more recent builds EK is now working on.

Cool, it's a difficult if to write mixing conditions from completely different paths and checking for the negative result instead of the positive. Every dev has their quirks with these things but I think losing a bit of elegance with some extra lines instead of a single one it's worthy for the improvement on cleanliness and readibility. Specially when you have to go back to the code months after writing it for some maintenance or refactoring, I have cursed myself (and others) several times when I found myself in that situation .

 

[mommysboiii]

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

i have to be honest jasmine was goodi liked her

but I guess too much backlash from anti woke culture warrios and twitter/reddit (communist) that think (toxic sterotyps) in her community


sad I think jasmine was LIT

but I guess we will never see her again

 

[Geigi]

Eva has some... interesting views. I've still entirely forgiven them for having Jasmine from GGGB be a weird amalgamation of TERF tropes: Transwomen as looming muscular criminals who spend their time molesting cis women in changing rooms.

The first time I played the game, that scene made me uncomfortable and it's the reason I dropped the game.

 

[CreativeCritic2]

In her defense. EK never really wanted to touch Jasmine as they weren't comfortable doing a trans character in the first place. It was a capitulation to their patrons, and I would have to imagine that most of those TERF tropes came from them and not necessarily EK. EK has said they won't be doing trans characters again.

Hmm... possibly. I haven't even been on the Discord so I don't know what Eva was told about Jasmine but Jasmine behaves more like a figment of conservative fever dreams than something out of porn.

 

[CreativeCritic2]

That whole drug dealing mamacita route was cringe as fuck, too imo. I don´t remember the details, only played GGGB well after it was completed but there was talk, this Jasmine character got added in late. A high tier patron basically throwing money at Eva to do it? If true it might explain that one, to a degree at least.

I agree with everything you said... I am glad that Jasmine got a shot at redemption and I think her character was complicated and made more nuanced by the GGGB DLC.

The drug-dealing stuff was indeed super-cringe and out of pocket... I'm pretty sure that they don't put you in charge of a gang because you let the entire game run a train on you.

 

[Blurpee69]

Hmm... possibly. I haven't even been on the Discord so I don't know what Eva was told about Jasmine but Jasmine behaves more like a figment of conservative fever dreams than something out of porn.

I agree with you entirely. I didn't say it was a strong defense, just that EK has discussed that it wasn't something they were particularly comfortable doing in the first place.

I don't really like Jasmine's character either for most of the game. The love ending is nice, but we as players have to wade through a lot of uncomfortable situations with Jasmine to get to that.