VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[selberdreher]

Just one thing, while I agree that this could be a Cindy corruption route, that friendships might be broken and that there might be a pause between Cindy's explicit content, I don't think Ian sleeping with her will necessarily lead to a negative outcome for their pairing.

At the basis of it all, this is a game of a erotic nature and to me it would be counter-intuitive to design a route where getting the sexual scenes with your desired girl would end up ruining your chances with her. It would be interesting, for sure, but would Eva do it? I'm not so certain.
So while I think having sex with her will have consequences for them both, I don't think she'll start sleeping around immediately, like you say; Ian might have to start to be very attentive to her to maintain it.

I suppose the same goes for Holly's route with Ian too. Fucking her in ch. 7 will probably not stop anything between them but might not be smart if you want the Holly trinity to happen.

i agree with you, it should not necessarily lead to a negative outcome, but i think it will take a huge effort from Ian to turn this downward spiral around. after all being banged drunk in a pissy and dark side alley, while in a stable relationship with your BF, is usually not the dream women have when they imagine the start of their romantic relationship with their prince charming. i guess. else i have to radically review my opinion on how women click.

btw i like the Ho(l)ly Trinity reference very much, is it intentional? made me smile.

also

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[BlandChili]

btw i like the Ho(l)ly Trinity reference very much, is it intentional? made me smile.

It was intentional. I've been lurking on the discord discussion for the game and that's where I picked up the reference.

 

[selberdreher]

One thing I've really wanted of this game is more integration between the two protagonists sections, Lena/Holly getting more involved with Ian's friends, possibly dragging Ivy and/or Louise and/or Stan along would go along way to even out the general social scope, for Lena specifically, and would allow to explore some interesting character dynamics.

i hope by Emma becoming friends with both of them, she could be the hinge that brings both social circles closer together. sadly i don't think we will have them all at Emmas event, that would be a huge cast in a small flat. my bet would be on the concert at the cafe.
btw any speculations on Emmas event? personally i don't think it's drug related: my guess would be more like a spiritual/tantric sex thing with lots of hugs and massages.

 

[Cabot]

At the basis of it all, this is a game of a erotic nature and to me it would be counter-intuitive to design a route where getting the sexual scenes with your desired girl would end up ruining your chances with her. It would be interesting, for sure, but would Eva do it? I'm not so certain.

Well, Eva has done things like that before. Not exactly "ruining your chances" more like "make the relationship evolve in a different way" if you rushed to get all the sex scenes the first time they're available .

In GGGB all Dave's route was sort of like that, an Ash that goes for him too hard or doesn't plan ahead accordingly (breaking up with Eric, "making" him and Eva also break up or at least have her cheat on him, etc) would get to have some sexy scenes with him -some groping at the beach, the drawings, a possible 3some with Eva, even one or two fucks iirc and Ash played her cards right- but won't be able to have him as boyfriend.

Jess' love route worked in a simillar way: you can get a lot of sex scenes with her and other partners, but in order to be her gf you needed Good Jess: avoiding some scenes that involved drug use and things like that. And something parallel happened with Eva, let her have a taste of BBC and the wholesome pairing was doomed (altough that route had a nasty bug that persisted through the whole game).

So, talking again about Cindy, though I don't think Ian fucking her this last chapter will ruin his chances with her forever, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes her (and their relationship) evolve in unespected ways...

 

[BlandChili]

btw any speculations on Emmas event? personally i don't think it's drug related: my guess would be more like a spiritual/tantric sex thing with lots of hugs and massages.

I'm not sure it's sexual in nature, at least not initially. It's something that can take place at Perry's place, so it's not something with a large prop, like a spa or something. I just reloaded a save from before going to the club and it's something she asked while Alison was present so it's probably not anything too extreme either, like hard drugs.

She very specifically uses the word awesome and emphasises the surprise of it, which makes me assume it's not something any of them are very familiar with, or she would have probably discussed it more openly. The scene that's set is a casual evening with a few beers, so what could be introduced in such a setting?

For some reason I came to think of VR, lol. "This virtual reality thing is crazy cool" and then later in private "oh btw, you can totally use it for POV porn."
I'm not sure that would be extremely awesome or a surprise though.

Relatedly I paid mind to her dialogue in the bar before you go to the club about practicing with Lena. I wonder if that practice session might serve as a initiation point for Lena/Emma content.

 

[selberdreher]

(...)
So, talking again about Cindy, though I don't think Ian fucking her this last chapter will ruin his chances with her forever, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes her (and their relationship) evolve in unespected ways...

This.
a corrupted Cindy x Ian will have scenes for sure: i am looking at you Axel x Ian x Cindy. and stuff like Seymour Shoots. perhaps in a way those sexy scenes are even easier to get and more frequent with a corrupted Cindy. by foreseeable future i meant specifically ch.8 and ch.9. with the right choices Ian should be rolling with her again at the latest in ch.10, corrupted or not.
sorry for being indistinct with that.
i think with the right effort you can bring back even a corrupted Cindy to the LovePath, much like Eva and Jessica in GGGB, but in one way or another she will be scarred.

 

[selberdreher]

I'm not sure it's sexual in nature, at least not initially. It's something that can take place at Perry's place, so it's not something with a large prop, like a spa or something. I just reloaded a save from before going to the club and it's something she asked while Alison was present so it's probably not anything too extreme either, like hard drugs.

She very specifically uses the word awesome and emphasises the surprise of it, which makes me assume it's not something any of them are very familiar with, or she would have probably discussed it more openly. The scene that's set is a casual evening with a few beers, so what could be introduced in such a setting?

For some reason I came to think of VR, lol. "This virtual reality thing is crazy cool" and then later in private "oh btw, you can totally use it for POV porn."
I'm not sure that would be extremely awesome or a surprise though.

Move away the table and couch, spread out some blankets and pillows, dim the light and set up some scented candles. this should be enough to create a cozy and welcoming atmosphere even in Perrys flat. i've never done that Tantric stuff, but i think that it is claimed to be more spiritual than sexual, although an outsider would clearly see it as sex-related. and people who tried it often describe it as mind-blowing or life-changing (the energies, you know ).
VR is a valid guess also, but i am not sure if Emma is so tech affine, she looks more like an analog girl to me.

 

[selberdreher]

as i am reading my above post again, i could totally see a dream-journey, with Emma (she looks a bit native-american to me) as the shamanistic spirit guide, moderating this ritual. natural psychedelic drugs like peyote or some mushrooms could be involved. exposing inner desires Perry could confess to Emma, and Allison to Ian, if Cindy and Wade are present this could be their chance to make up with each other. remember that Emma has a dream-catcher chosen as her first tatoo?

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

after all being banged drunk in a pissy and dark side alley, while in a stable relationship with your BF, is usually not the dream women have when they imagine the start of their romantic relationship with their prince charming. i guess. else i have to radically review my opinion on how women click.

But it's not just a drunk fuck in a dark side alley, it's also the culmination of the tension that's been building up between Ian and Cindy for a while. And while that tension might primarily be sexual, it's not exclusively sexual, it's also a result of how they enjoy each other's company. I'm definitely not calling it romantic, but it's still closer to being romantic than an average dark alley drunk fuck.

Well, Eva has done things like that before. Not exactly "ruining your chances" more like "make the relationship evolve in a different way" if you rushed to get all the sex scenes the first time they're available .

In GGGB all Dave's route was sort of like that, an Ash that goes for him too hard or doesn't plan ahead accordingly (breaking up with Eric, "making" him and Eva also break up or at least have her cheat on him, etc) would get to have some sexy scenes with him -some groping at the beach, the drawings, a possible 3some with Eva, even one or two fucks iirc and Ash played her cards right- but won't be able to have him as boyfriend.

Jess' love route worked in a simillar way: you can get a lot of sex scenes with her and other partners, but in order to be her gf you needed Good Jess: avoiding some scenes that involved drug use and things like that. And something parallel happened with Eva, let her have a taste of BBC and the wholesome pairing was doomed (altough that route had a nasty bug that persisted through the whole game).

So, talking again about Cindy, though I don't think Ian fucking her this last chapter will ruin his chances with her forever, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes her (and their relationship) evolve in unespected ways...

That's a good point. Though I feel like Cindy and Ian are entering their sexual relationship in a more equal position, in some sense. In GGGB Ash's relationship with Jess became purely sexual if she decided to join Jess on her bad girl route. And Ash going too hard for Dave and only ending up with a sexual relationship with him, was a result of Ash clearly pushing for something Dave never would have initiated himself. Cindy and Ian both seem to have a similar "I shouldn't do this, but I'm doing it anyway" starting point.

For some reason I came to think of VR, lol. "This virtual reality thing is crazy cool" and then later in private "oh btw, you can totally use it for POV porn."

VR seems like a good call. Or at least something with a similar story function. Sex or drugs seems unlikely – no one in their right mind would expect everyone from Alison to Perry to be okay with that without even warning them what to expect. VR seems logical because it's not sexual in itself, but it could end up being sexual in one way or another.

 

[selberdreher]

that tension might primarily be sexual, it's not exclusively sexual, it's also a result of how they enjoy each other's company. I'm definitely not calling it romantic, but it's still closer to being romantic than an average dark alley drunk fuck.
(...)
Cindy and Ian both seem to have a similar "I shouldn't do this, but I'm doing it anyway" starting point.

you are absolutely right with that, and without being busted, it could have transformed a lot smoother into a real loving/romantic relationship or a sexually charged love escapade / affair. i expect this outcome with the kiss option.

but they are getting caught and this lets Cindy realize, how it has to look from the outside:
that they are fucking like rabbits in public, that she is committing adultery (does this applies if you're not married?) and like a cheap streetwhore, who quickly serves a john, was not even able to get a room.
"I shouldn't do this, but I'm doing it anyway": yes, it was all fun and games until... the reality hits hard.

and since she isn't a common streetwhore* but a nice girl at heart, i expect her to be digusted with herself and Ian, full of feelings of guilt towards Wade, and ashamed in front of Jeremy and Ivy.
she already had a damaged self-esteem ("Am I so unlikeable that i have to beg...") and this above mentioned disgust could be very well the death-blow to it. girls with no or low self-esteem are easy prey to corruptional influences (like from pimps and/or bad BFs or other pervs and assholes talking them into shit and make them believe it's consensual).

we all know that there is a lot more to this situation than the appearance suggest; but who ever listened to the "It's not what it looks like, please let me explain!" of a adulterer caught red-handed?

(* i am aware that streetwhores can be nice girls at heart too, this juxtaposition serves only as demonstration)

 

[selberdreher]

VR seems like a good call.

still not convinced, providing VR gear and the necessary computer hardware for a whole bunch of people isn't cheap even if she was able to rent it. and Emma isn't exactly stuffed (wealthy) either.

ofc i wouldn't expect her to be as blunt as "Lets have a tantric sex orgy!" or "Tonight i will highjack you all on a drug induced trip!" as soon as the crew arrives. no, more like starting with breath exercises and light meditation to relax them and gradually introduce more advanced options, like touching each others faces and rubbing their shoulders, stuff like that.
i don't expect Emma to be pushy, so even if she goes for the shamanistic ritual she could offer the "medicine" only to those who are comfortable with it, being totally okay if someone (like perhaps Allison) opts out.

 

[Cabot]

She can just be trying to bring back the old rock band together. A contest of some sort, a gig at some of her political activities, or something like that.

That would fit her last conversation with Lena and also help her (Lena) to get more in touch with Ian's gang.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[BlandChili]

So she'd bring musical equipment to Perry's place?

I don't know, it would be the thing that makes the most sense in terms of referencing past story material and it would be a surprise for sure. Still, from her wording it seemed rather casual to me.

Who knows, maybe she's just discovered a new wine brand and we'll get our characters to sit down and talk about what a good year it is, all snobbishly.

 

[selberdreher]

"My dear old fellow Friends, Ladies and Gentleman,
let me introduce to you this amazing and awesome wine brand i discovered only recently.
May your taste buds jubilate as they are embraced by this exquisite ambrosia!"

 

[BlandChili]

"I do say Wade, my good fellow, the aroma is rather pleasant and I have to add that the spices are just balanced enough to make me think of the east Indies with every sip! This wine tastes of despair, don't you agree?"

Then Wade punches you.

 

[Sherka]

It's looks like Lena is based on Shaiden Rogue

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[Evi]

Yeah, looks familiar

 

[silvermoon111]

Yo this game lol
Every five minutes, I'm like "Wait a minute... that's that guy/girl!"
It's a very nice and small world to play in

 

[doctor13]

So that's Lena, Cindy and Emma identified.... We need to find Holly!

 

[Eye-switcher]

you are absolutely right with that, and without being busted, it could have transformed a lot smoother into a real loving/romantic relationship or a sexually charged love escapade / affair. i expect this outcome with the kiss option.

but they are getting caught and this lets Cindy realize, how it has to look from the outside:
that they are fucking like rabbits in public, that she is committing adultery (does this applies if you're not married?) and like a cheap streetwhore, who quickly serves a john, was not even able to get a room.
"I shouldn't do this, but I'm doing it anyway": yes, it was all fun and games until... the reality hits hard.

and since she isn't a common streetwhore* but a nice girl at heart, i expect her to be digusted with herself and Ian, full of feelings of guilt towards Wade, and ashamed in front of Jeremy and Ivy.
she already had a damaged self-esteem ("Am I so unlikeable that i have to beg...") and this above mentioned disgust could be very well the death-blow to it. girls with no or low self-esteem are easy prey to corruptional influences (like from pimps and/or bad BFs or other pervs and assholes talking them into shit and make them believe it's consensual).

we all know that there is a lot more to this situation than the appearance suggest; but who ever listened to the "It's not what it looks like, please let me explain!" of a adulterer caught red-handed?

(* i am aware that streetwhores can be nice girls at heart too, this juxtaposition serves only as demonstration)

I dont think Evakiss is going to be that rough on either Cindy or Ian, they will probably ponder their situation for a chapter or so and then nothing much will be made of it as it has been so far this game. In reality we have all made crazy things when we have been drugged up on Love or sex and yes, it can feel cheap or downright stupid but that doesnt necessarily mean relationships gets broken up about it. I think you are to harsh